No one respects poker players, that was doomed from the start. Just respect yourself and do whatever you need to do to have the respect. No one cares where your money comes from.

GL on uni or whatever you do next.

6b jw how far did you get into your math degree? Did you get into upper div or at least an intro to proofs? If not, i'd suggest looking into theoretical/abstract math first before deciding to go to a diff uni for math. Most people don't really understand what true math is, not one bit and how difficult it is. And when they finally realize what math encompasses and how insanely difficult it is, they usually end up dropping out

Hint: it's not about finding/computing/calculating super long and tedious derivatives, integrals, probabilities, expectations, etc. Most mathematicians just think of that as noise and child's play nuisance and dont consider that real math

If you havent gotten there yet id recommend looking at an intro to abstract math, or if you did that look at an intro to either abstract algebra, linear algebra (proofs only course), or real analysis. If you dont like them at the very least, you should consider doing something other than math. Anyway finance is much less time consuming and more useful for you in job market and earning more money, while spending less time on studying/degree.

Take it from someone who did a business degree and a math degree. Graduating in 21 days. Seriously. Unless you are literally dying to get a math degree youre better off doing finance imo

Gl

I've found that poker players are quite respectful and supportive once you reach the upper echelons of professionalism i.e. work hard, study hard, introspection, strong mental game, etc. You've not really shown much effort in any of those areas which I would guess is why the general reception in this thread has been negative.

Anyway, I think this is a wise decision for you. If your heart is not in the poker and there's no drive to grind it out at NL100 and learn and continue to grow, then it's better to step away. Had you continued you probably would've put in token volume at NL100 and taken tilt shots if you weren't sunrunning and probably had big losses.

Again I applaud the decision and wish you the best of luck on your new path.

All you needed to do was put in more effort into poker. Do some solver work. Put in more volume. You could gain respect that way. Big mistake to just give up. You will be back though. All degens like you come back to the game one way or another.

6,

I've been following this thread from the start. You say you're really into math. Poker is math. Rather than going back to uni and learning calculus, differential equations, & number theory, you should just actually learn poker. Many poker books are written exactly like college text books in fact. Pro poker players are kind of like modern day mathematicians. & like Minatorr said, math probably isn't what you think it is at the college level. Plus, do you really see yourself waking up at 6:30 AM every morning for the rest of your life? You sound like a night owl based on what I've read and that's not something you can just change. Look up "DSPD".

GL

Thank you. Tbh you're completely right.

I've seen what "real maths" looks like and it's all proofs. Prove this hypothesis. Prove that theorem. It's so different to high school maths, which is all about calculations. Calculate this angle. Calculate that integral.

Proofs can be insanely difficult and idk how far I'll get in that branch of maths, so I'm leaning towards something applied, like finance, engineering, statistics or computer science.

For now, I'll just learn the raw maths and I'll use it as a kind of building block, then I'll pick some application for it later.

Thank you for your kind words. I am pretty happy with this decision.

Well I don't really want to get into an argument about it, but I find that poker is similar to politics in terms of how much people respect you: you could be the president of the United States and people will still hate you and give you zero respect. It's just not a profession where people are friendly and kind to each other, just because you've worked your way up.

I look at people like Doug Polk, Matt Berkey, Daniel Negreanu, etc. They've made millions from high stakes poker and yet attract far more negativity than they deserve imo.

Compare that to something like a maths teacher. Or a firefighter. They get a lot of respect for what they do, even though it's objectively easier than being a high stakes poker pro or a famous politician.

I know I shouldn't care what other people think... but I do. Especially when I'm going on a downswing and losing all my money, and I come to the realisation that my reputation is the only thing I have left.

So you want to do a math degree without any career reason other than you enjoy math. Wasn't this math genius claiming he thought inflation surpasses superannuation investments?

Famous people have haters because they have opinions and express them or do good or stupid ****. You don't know what a math teacher or firefighter thinks because they don't get famous and don't get the opportunity to get hated on. It has little to do with the profession. They're just normies

You seem to be forgetting that Aussie legend Skuzlad, who is universally respected in the Australian poker community and there were honestly moments were I felt like you were only a few sims away from being the next Skuzlad. You definitely have a natural poker talent (probably stemming from your math ability), it’s just disapponting that you never had the discipline to really make that small leap to the next level.

Within 60 days he'll be back to thinking he's a pro poker player or I'll eat my hat.

less about life and drama more on poker pls

I don't disagree with your decision to quit poker because it never seemed like you were cut out for it or disciplined so it's definitely the right move here although I suspect you'll be depositing again in the future.

You think it was earning you decent money? That's a bit of a skewed way of reflecting on this. The whole problem is you weren't making money from poker and burning through it! Yes, you had a few nice tournament scores and ran hot for a week or so. But then things reverted to the mean and your losing plays came back to bite you. You were never earning decent money in the game.

Gl with your future aspirations. I hope you find something you enjoy and can commit to which leads to a paying job so that your life can get on to some track and that this isn't a one week relevation and a few months from now you're sitting in the same spot grinding a video game.

you think you'll be motivated for years to learn "useless" things about math for basicly 0 reward? you were lazy to learn poker theory which is way more rewarding.

very good post, it's important to keep realistic about education and pure mathematics are very different from what most people imagine

6b, I definitely think that going back to school is a good decision, but math may be a bit too ambitious, especially since you haven't really shown too great of a work ethic so far (to say the least )

For a "softer" version of math, you might want to look into a philosophy degree focused on logic and meta-mathematics - it is still challenging and very interesting, but does not require as much dedication and hard work. A friend of mine from my phd program actually moved to Canberra (we're from Europe) and is teaching at a uni there in that field, so it looks like you have some solid options locally - you wouldnt really move to the other side of the globe for a teaching job at a mediocre university

I know many people think that philosophy degree is useless in "real world" but that's just not the case, most employers look at it favourably as it shows strong analytical skills and learning abilities. I had no problem finding a decent job with my degree (masters in philosophy) even with a few years gap in my CV spent on unfinished PHD while playing poker for a living.

Hey 6bet, long time lurker here.

Just wanted to say thanks for the entertainment you provided in this thread. I really enjoyed following it. You made it a really fun ride and whilst that was sometimes due to your poor life decisions, a lot of it was how you wrote it and your continual honesty no matter what. I also think you handled the constant negativity of some posters in this thread really well.

If, for whatever reason you do come back to poker and try to make it as a pro again, I would advise you against making another PGC or updating this one. There is simply no way a thread like this could be good for someone's mental health. Speaking as a professional poker player myself, going through downswings is really hard, you'll often go through periods where it feels as though you can't win no matter and your mind will play tricks on you, you'll start to think you're no longer a winning player and so on - having random people on the internet pile on you whilst you're in the midst of a downswing just makes it even more difficult and I could imagine it being very overwhelming, particularly early on in your career. Many of the continual posters in this thread were some of the worst I've seen on any forum (e.g chess kid stroking his own deluded ego, Petrucci saying how great he is and replying "I agree" or something similar to random posts, like anyone here actually gives a **** about his opinion, etc etc) and dealing with them would've been really frustrating. Having said that, I guess those egg heads made the thread what it is. Either way, well done dealing with all of them and not berating anyone back.

As others have mentioned, maybe something else creative could be good for you like a twitch stream or youtube vlog? I would certainly follow it.
Whatever you do, good luck with it. I'm sure you'll figure it out eventually.

screw that kid amirite

#banthechessman

FWIW, the disrespect you received was from your profound lack of discipline in chasing any of your goals, not from playing poker. As far as your current goal, your first step is to contact universities to see what it will take to get admitted, not start a non credit course.

I wish you good luck.

Totally agree with this - either build up the 6bet brand through twitch etc in a sort of Karl Pilkington fashion and keep the degen stories and reality abstractions coming in, or get out completely

Something I understood that helped me some years ago - reality is the state of things as they ACTUALLY exist, without interpretation. It's not the stories that you tell yourself or that others tell you about yourself/their selves

Gl with your new chapter, thanks for the entertainment!

WTF is all this "respect" BS

Be a decent human being and you will automatically have the respect of those around you...your family, your friends, your co-workers, or at least those of them that are decent human beings themselves.

It's about being kind, loving and putting others first. It has got absolutely squat to do with what you achieve...unless you are being measured by an a/hole.

As for the rest of the world, the people you don't know, will never know, or the millions that fall in the a/hole category, whether you know them or not, who the **** gives two ***** what any of them think about you/me or anybody/anything else.

And since this thread seems to be done...6bet, please get professional counselling.

Good luck dude. I think you have a lot of potential in a more healthy professional environment.

The respect you desire is your own.

He doesn't enjoy math, it's just another one of his fleeting obsessions that he will get bored of in a couple of months time. The dude can't stick with anything. It's just impulsive interest after impulsive interest and putting in a massive 2 hours work a week.

A math degree is extremely difficult and I guarantee he has no idea what's really involved in it. He also has zero plan for what he wants to do after the degree.

He is back to being a "professional poker player" in a short period of time. I would put my money on max 1 month before he is back to playing.

Wow the haters are out in full force now that you told them there won't be more poker updates.

GL with the future, hopefully you can stick with whatever path you're taking and put some actual hours in. As far as poker effort goes I'd give you a C grade.

Imo you should look into programming and software dev and go get a normie desk job.