You'll make pretty big mistakes by overdoing it with that line.
Against a bot your hand sits right outside the cusp and doesn't lose much, but you have enough more urgent bluffing hands to check somewhere with J7hh.
What ends up happening when you do this against 50z population is that the exploit is done on the turn and then you hand the EV right back to villain by shipping river against a range that is stronger than it should be.
His turn defense should look like this against you:
It doesn't at 50z and he'll have more boat blockers than he should on the river. Don't count on them folding A8, it's never a fold in theory and people like to call with blockers.
Your EV is better overbluffing turn and shutting down a lot of bluffs on the river + valuebetting for a medium sizing.
Stuff you could check in 5 mins in pio if you weren't so stubborn.
And the best players in the world consider Juan pastor a fishreg (not a troll and this is coming from a top hsnl reg not me) due to his weird limping strat which could lead to really weird unorthodox lines postflop..seen him really chop up some hands from friends that have played with him..i think u should ditch this limping strategy especially considering the high rake that a lot of sites implement..just go for the raise man..why not give yourself a chance to just take down the pot preflop rather than playing oop and not have a really defined range..gl and c u at the tables
lol ******. Not everything what a HSNL bumhunter says makes sense, get your head out of his ass man.
I agree with others, bluffing river in H3 is really bad. The hand is multiway on the flop, he calls your flop bet and turn overbet.
At this point, alarm bells should be ringing. Highly unlikely he has a draw and if he does, it's a strong draw - KQ/QJ/JT/KT/KJ of spades.
The K river is a great card for him and a terrible card for you. You never have Kx when you take this line (other than AK, K9, K8 of course). Many of his draws now made trips with the K. The K heavily cuts down combos of KK/AK/K8/K9. If he has Ax or Kx, he blocks those combos even further (which is the most likely hands he has).
If you're pulling bluffs like this, I question whether you are a long term winner at these stakes. In conclusion, it wasn't well played. Far from it. Go over bluffing in certain spots and make sure you're not over-bluffing or bluffing into obviously strong ranges.
You'll make pretty big mistakes by overdoing it with that line.
Your EV is better overbluffing turn and shutting down a lot of bluffs on the river + valuebetting for a medium sizing.
Stuff you could check in 5 mins in pio if you weren't so stubborn.
Ott its a +ev bet and I agree that he wont defend enough vs the overbet, giving him a way tighter range than he should have. So OTR my jam is marginal at best vs that, but if he always only calls with FHs, its a profitable play. Its usually good to avoid plays that depend a lot on such narrow assumptions, but given the board (I put him on AK), its possible to get folds even from 88/99 in there, he tanked OTR With the best hand he could have and I see a lot of people overfolding there and not even think about calling A9.
And as I said, I cant use solvers atm, I study 4-6h/day of pretty boring subjects, after Im done, I just want to click some buttons and have fun. When the time comes(after I pass the test), I will play poker full time for at least 1 year and will spend a lot of time running sims/studying poker.
Played some 200z today, made close to no mistakes, so proud to be capable of playing proper poker after all the spew I've done on 50z recently lol.
Some hands
H1: WTF is this river man, as played, it's a fold, right? Villain can't have flush draws, he will have some KK/QQ/JJ/TT, but I don't think he has that much incentive to bluff with those. Good fold? Pre-flop is bad, but my std is to setmine vs unknowns, they're more likely to be a fish and pay me off, also BB wasn't squeezing a lot
Hero shows 3 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes)
Board #1 (Pre 54%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
(Three of a Kind, Threes)
Board #2 (Pre 53%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 149.6 BB Hero wins 149.6 BB
H3: vs whale, good check-jam? I don't think reg will slowplay a lot with a whale left to act, a lot of turns will kill his action, even if he has the nut flush, so I thought he had 0 decent hands and that I was only facing the whale.
H4: vs reg, his call OTR is terrible, right? It's way better to call with AA without the flush blocker, right? Because a lot of my bluffs will have the As, also I could be turning a lot of hands into bluffs here and valuebetting trips too
think you should either check or bet pretty small with 33 on AA33, this turn sizing doesn't make a whole lot of sense for your range, on this troll river I don't hate the fold
all other hands look good, JJ no diamond seems close but if it's an actual big whale (which he appears to be given he peeled 52s both to a raise and a squeeze) then it's probably fine
That quad 3s hand is so so sick , interesting one as when you check river he probably will feel obliged to bet KK-JJ for value , so don’t know why you would name them as bluffs.
Fold still probably good here although seems super close, depends on how he would play certain combos on flop and turn so would all be based on assumptions
think you should either check or bet pretty small with 33 on AA33, this turn sizing doesn't make a whole lot of sense for your range, on this troll river I don't hate the fold
all other hands look good, JJ no diamond seems close but if it's an actual big whale (which he appears to be given he peeled 52s both to a raise and a squeeze) then it's probably fine
I used those sizings to increase the pot size in a way villain feels more comfortable paying us off, vs regs I prefer playing my range mostly with x/c mw on that texture. But good to know I should x a lot or bet smal, it makes sense.
That quad 3s hand is so so sick , interesting one as when you check river he probably will feel obliged to bet KK-JJ for value , so don’t know why you would name them as bluffs.
Fold still probably good here although seems super close, depends on how he would play certain combos on flop and turn so would all be based on assumptions
In a single raise pot you expect Villain to value bet river with something less than an ace?? Nope.
In a single raise pot you expect Villain to value bet river with something less than an ace?? Nope.
Against someone flatting the sb vs button. Id value shove QQ/JJ+. I've shoved this type of runout with quads for 3.5x pot 250+ bb deep and got called by 99,TT-JJ more times then you would imagine. Of course Id only bet around pot without an Ace and fold to a shove. There are some wide sb flatters who will put you on a fd that keeps barrelling and you might even get called by 44-88 LOLZ. Problem is id have folded turn some of the time giving this specific action tho so I wouldn't even be in this spt alot. but if say sb had donked 2 times then checked it would be different
Last edited by yadrooolahCOGD; 06-16-2018 at 12:59 AM.
In a single raise pot you expect Villain to value bet river with something less than an ace?? Nope.
In SRP pots in some spots its fine to jam TP no kicker for value OTR, But it depends a lot on the ranges OTT, how aggro you both are and if villain is capable of hero calling, also how he values his blockers. There are some spots where a midpair is a better bluffcatcher than 2-pairs. In that spot, villain cant jam kk for value, since I dont have worse hands to call him, I get to the river with the nuts, 33 or a busted draw.
Against someone flatting the sb vs button. Id value shove QQ/JJ+. I've shoved this type of runout with quads for 3.5x pot 250+ bb deep and got called by 99,TT-JJ more times then you would imagine. Of course Id only bet around pot without an Ace and fold to a shove. There are some wide sb flatters who will put you on a fd that keeps barrelling and you might even get called by 44-88 LOLZ. Problem is id have folded turn some of the time giving this specific action tho so I wouldn't even be in this spt alot. but if say sb had donked 2 times then checked it would be different
How do I get to the river with 99-JJ after raising flop and betting turn?
How do I get to the river with 99-JJ after raising flop and betting turn?
Not you necessarily but I could see you in this spot with 63,54 or 53 of diamonds lol. Kappa. Villain doesn't know u tho. And yea the flat is bad dont try to justify it homeslice
Xeno to be honest you look like the biggest tool. Atleast he dont pretend being anything bigger. None absolute non hs crusher would spend hours after hours on forum arguing and discuessing in a ssnl thread. If ur a ms player u dont have time, gotta Get the paycheck.Stop embarrising yourself. 687 post in under a year... time for 2+2 tattoo i GOT cash i waste my life on a dead pokerforum