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Old 02-16-2017, 03:40 AM   #101
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$1650, just a little more to NL100
is it a good idea to make a shot with 20 BI and going back if I lose 5 BI?
I don't want to try NL50 again, got destroyed there every single time
No,its not.If you cant beat nl50 why do you want to play 100??
Try again nl50 and gl.
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Old 02-16-2017, 05:34 AM   #102
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No,its not.If you cant beat nl50 why do you want to play 100??
Try again nl50 and gl.
When I tried to beat NL50, I played 4-tabling, made a lot of mistakes, had bad luck and tilted

After this time playing NL25 I reduced a lot my tilts, probably don't tilt anymore, my game became way more solid.

it may look foolish, but I believe I can beat NL100, rake there is better than NL50, regs shouldn't be much better.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:25 AM   #103
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

Regs at 100 are better than 50, not by a massive margin, but def better.

I think you are making a mistake jumping 50z, the rake isn't that much better, so I think you should climb like everyone else. Gl either way.
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Old 02-16-2017, 12:46 PM   #104
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I pay 7,7 bb/100 nl50, 7,1 bb nl100 so not a huge difference,and regs are obv a bit better.And 20 bis roll arent enough even for a shot.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:33 PM   #105
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I pay 7,7 bb/100 nl50, 7,1 bb nl100 so not a huge difference,and regs are obv a bit better.And 20 bis roll arent enough even for a shot.
but what about a controlled 5 bi shot?
it's fine to gamble $500, ok, it's 20 BI on NL25, but at the rate I'm playing, I'm sure I can make that in 10 days of grinding on NL25(~60k hands)

when I came back this year I was following a 15 BI rule, ok, just facerolled from NL2 to NL50 in few days, was exploiting people a lot(ran awesome too), but games became really tough.

But I was playing like a monkey, after getting beaten up on NL50 and even on NL25 at the beginning I started playing good poker, really different than all the bull**** I used to play. When I stopped poker 3 years ago, my graph was a rollercoaster: my redline and blueline were always changing directions.
I became finally a consistent player.

I know that I may sound like a delusional person, but I believe I'm playing really well, I rarely doubt my plays, My vpip went from 30-40 to 18, and then now it isn't fixed, it changes depending on who I'm playing against, which shows that I'm adapting. On some sessions it stays 18-19, on some it goes to 21-23, when there are a lot of nits in the blinds I steal way more, as well as playing tighter when maniacs are playing.

this is my NL25 graph since I started playing as a TAG(and gave up that donkey strat that I used at the beginning of the thread)



Also I have only more 6-7 months of playing poker seriously, also I'll probably get an internship so I can finish grad school in 1-2 months, so I'll have 1-2 months of 24/7 dedicated to poker, then my volume will be cut by half when I start working.

One thing I learned in hearthstone(I'm a really good player, got legend) is that sometimes you should go all-in, if the opponent has it, you lost, sometimes making the highest risk move is the only way to win the game.
When the opponent has more resources than you have and you can't grind him out, it's time to make a move and let luck decide.

I came back to this game to destroy it. Not grinding 1k-1.5k/month on NL25, playing it safe. In the worst case scenario I'll lose $500, go back to NL25 and try again. In the best case scenario, I'll consolidate myself as a NL100 reg, will play vs better players, improve, and reach my full potential.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:40 PM   #106
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

As a stubborn person myself, I have no right to stop someone from going ahead and doing what they want, all I'll say is that a 4evbb Winrate a 25 will not be winning at 100.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:50 PM   #107
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As a stubborn person myself, I have no right to stop someone from going ahead and doing what they want, all I'll say is that a 4evbb Winrate a 25 will not be winning at 100.
yeah lol, I saw ur thread xDDDD
but my reasoning is fine, if you're not careful, your whole life can become a flip

Also I think NL50 regs are too nitty, usually it's a good idea to play like a crazy guy vs them, but when you add fish to the mix, I get tilted pretty easily and start bluffing fish. Also I'm playing like a nit for so much time that I can't pull these uber bluffs anymore(at a decent frequency), which seems to be optimal there vs regs.

In NL25 I'm making most of my profit by valuebetting relentlessly, merging a lot and throwing some small bluffs in some spots. The metagame is something really important, from what I saw: NL2 metagame is similar to NL25, people are way looser and call pretty wide
while NL5,NL10 and NL50's metagames are more nitty.
I expect NL100 to be closer to NL25 metagame than NL50 is.

I would rather play tight poker, valuebetting a lot and throwing some random bluffs in than going crazy and putting all my chips in my red line, just to get called sometimes and go on tilt.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:51 PM   #108
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well done @ not being a monkey anymore

just remember, money comes from fish, not from being a donkey vs regs
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:54 PM   #109
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well done @ not being a monkey anymore

just remember, money comes from fish, not from being a donkey vs regs
yeah, it took me a lot of time to realize that most people playing NL25 weren't regs lol.

When I saw a note saying "aggro reg, check-raises the flop", then I saw that guy limping from UTG I realized that lol!
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:36 PM   #110
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

But you guys seem to think that I'll go nuts, open NL100 tables, play like crazy and gg.

It will be a controlled shot: a friend of mine will come and help me, we will do it in a friday night(when there's more fish), we will 2-table it, play it ok, then I'll go over all hands, study them, them do it again, always playing small sessions, studying and focusing on not tilting/making bad moves, avoid huge variance swing hands like check-shoving gutshots on 3-bet pots. Of course I'll keep jamming monster draws all day long, but if I can avoid close spots with huge variance, it will be fine.

also I play with 100bb only, when I get to 130+ I reset my stack, it reduces variance by a lot.
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Old 02-16-2017, 07:42 PM   #111
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GL, will look forward to see results from your shot

I'm wondering if the trade-off in less rake in bb/100 will make up for your lower winrate (and result in a higher hourly)

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Old 02-16-2017, 08:15 PM   #112
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

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GL, will look forward to see results from your shot

I'm wondering if the trade-off in less rake in bb/100 will make up for your lower winrate (and result in a higher hourly)

rake comparison:
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raked bb/100 is specific to playstyle. the correlations between stakes in that pic are correct, and that is what/the only thing that should be paid attention to, but the actual figures are unreputable
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Old 02-17-2017, 01:17 AM   #113
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As a stubborn person myself, I have no right to stop someone from going ahead and doing what they want, all I'll say is that a 4evbb Winrate a 25 will not be winning at 100.
that is evbb/100 of 2.4 mate.

I agree with you, if he got crushed at 50 he gets crushed at 100.

Going from 30-40 vpip to 18 vpip in 6 max is a big overadjustment too. You are playing too tight and people will find it as easy to adjust as to 40 vpip.

Most good people i know play 24-27 vpip and 18-22 pfr. I still think you should work on an overall gameplan and not yoyo between the two rapidesh.

As Clanty says though do what you like and i hope you continue to run as good. Would be insteresting to see the overall graph since you started, every one ive seen has been significatnyl over ev.
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:37 AM   #114
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As Clanty says though do what you like and i hope you continue to run as good. Would be insteresting to see the overall graph since you started, every one ive seen has been significatnyl over ev.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=77

posted some days ago, still like that
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Old 02-17-2017, 02:48 AM   #115
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

also a 2.4bbev/100 is fine for me, I play a lot of volume, of course I can't do my best when 4-tabling in ZOOM, sometimes I fold some hands preflop because of timeouts, but it's ok. Much better than having a 5bbev/100 and play 2x less volume.

also don't underestimate the power of non-EV variance, in NL50 I got 3-5x KK x AA in 1 session. My KK is -EV there lol.

when I move to NL100, my focus will be to play the best poker I can, so after a good sample of doing that, then try to scale more volume.

From what I heard, players there are good, it is a good place to get better at poker.
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Old 02-17-2017, 04:29 AM   #116
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It's also a good place to lose lots of manies
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:11 AM   #117
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It's also a good place to lose lots of manies
If you are too careful, your whole life can become a grind.

NL25 is a good place to make money, so they balance each other lol.
Never imagined that after 3 years NL25 would be softer than when I quit.
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Old 02-18-2017, 04:11 AM   #118
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Lol we used to talk strat back in 2013 when playing nl10 fr hahaha. Good to see you back
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terrible session today, -150, EV was -300 =(((((
confidence is really low =(

btw, just to make things worse: I can't buy vip cash rebates, I don't know what they changed in the site, but the only options I saw that are viable there are charity money or spending on donkaments.

Bankroll is $1400 + $100 in starcoins, but I'm not counting that anymore.
I read in NVG that they're changing VIP status and are cutting supernova off, well, I don't know when they will do that, so I think I'll keep trying to get it.

man, I'll hate if I can't get cash with starcoins anymore, the rakeback was the only thing that saved me. And I don't like grinding MTTs, it's fun if you do 1 day of the month, but having to do it just to convert your coins into cash will be sad
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Lol we used to talk strat back in 2013 when playing nl10 fr hahaha. Good to see you back
yeah, seems I came back in a terrible time.
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Old 02-18-2017, 04:58 AM   #121
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well, it seems it's just a bug.
good, then I still have my $1500 bankroll.
will play really hardcore tomorrow and on sunday too.
Need only more 8 steps to supernova, need to do it until friday, but I'll have to take a day off to keep looking for internships.
I hope it works.

Also I thought a lot about your advice on moving to NL100, I won't do it, you guys are right. I'll go through this month on NL25 and when I come back will take shots at NL50.
My game still has a lot of leaks, tilted 2 stacks today

BTW, going to the beach during the holiday, will meet my friends which lived with me during the university, both play poker, will play some donkaments with them in the last saturday of the week, one of them is my apprentice, the other learned to play poker at the same time as I did, we improved a lot by sharing thoughts. I'll play the vip freerolls and small MTTs, it's so good to drink some beer and play some crazy games filled with donkeys lol.

Also we will buy-in in like 4 $25 dollar tournaments, sharing the costs and the profit, they will take care of that, let's see if they bink it haha

the place is really nice, it's around $20 per night, in front of the beach

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1633598...3-83077dbc6e11

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Old 02-18-2017, 05:20 AM   #122
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Some hands I played today

Right fold?


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 331.76 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 20.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 143)
SB: 116.64 BB (VPIP: 31.18, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 93)
BB: 118.4 BB (VPIP: 20.26, PFR: 15.37, 3Bet Preflop: 5.64, Hands: 883)
UTG: 159.04 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)
MP: 866.12 BB (VPIP: 21.98, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 3.95, Hands: 184)
Hero (CO): 118.92 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, BTN calls 2.32 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.04 BB, 2 players) 8 4 J
Hero bets 4.24 BB, BTN raises to 11.48 BB, Hero calls 7.24 BB

Turn: (29 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (65 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 39 BB, fold

BTN wins 62.08 BB


On steal dynamics I like going nuts with a good hand, is it bad?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117 BB (VPIP: 19.02, PFR: 15.88, 3Bet Preflop: 7.73, Hands: 522)
Hero (SB): 103.88 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.41, PFR: 6.30, 3Bet Preflop: 1.85, Hands: 282)
UTG: 109.4 BB (VPIP: 21.49, PFR: 15.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 125)
MP: 55.12 BB (VPIP: 31.68, PFR: 8.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 103)
CO: 52.68 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) A A 3
Hero bets 2.96 BB, BB calls 2.96 BB

Turn: (11.92 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BB bets 11.4 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, BB calls 23.6 BB

River: (81.92 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 62.92 BB and is all-in, BB calls 59.04 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A Q (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 45%, Flop 93%, Turn 16%)
BB shows 6 6 (Full House, Sixes full of Aces)
(Pre 55%, Flop 7%, Turn 84%)
BB wins 192 BB


Should I ever fold AA/KK in 3-bet pots? in FR it was pretty std to do it vs a nit, since they're never showing up with worse, but I've seen people spew so much that I prefer not doing so. In NL25 FR it would have been a fold OTF in that spot.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 18.13, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 164)
Hero (SB): 226 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.36, PFR: 16.73, 3Bet Preflop: 7.36, Hands: 1,345)
UTG: 121.8 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 15.52, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 119)
MP: 98.52 BB (VPIP: 21.83, PFR: 17.03, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 233)
CO: 40.68 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, UTG calls 8 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 8 3 6
Hero bets 11.4 BB, UTG raises to 28 BB, Hero calls 16.6 BB

Turn: (79 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, UTG bets 82.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 82.8 BB

River: (244.6 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
UTG shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Threes)
(Pre 82%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
UTG wins 236.6 BB
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Old 02-18-2017, 05:21 AM   #123
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Lol we used to talk strat back in 2013 when playing nl10 fr hahaha. Good to see you back
btw, what's ur old account?
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Old 02-21-2017, 02:22 AM   #124
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I think you've over-adjusted...
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