pretty sure arty is wrong here and on that particular board in these positions every Ax should be defending the overbet turn, we'd be overfolding by quite a bit otherwise not to mention we are against a range that contains no sets
what you doing in that KThh hand on JJJ flop if i raise river vs your small sizing
ofc i butchered my hand by not betting flop, like ur line tho, kinda owned me and assumed i probs dont turn enough pps into bluffs vs this size on river
what you doing in that KThh hand on JJJ flop if i raise river vs your small sizing
I fold, and your std should be to fold in that spot vs a random, even vs a min-raise it should be a fold vs the population.
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ofc i butchered my hand by not betting flop, like ur line tho, kinda owned me and assumed i probs dont turn enough pps into bluffs vs this size on river
nah, you had to call specially vs that 15% sizing, even if you're owned a ton of the time, it's better to call and have a nice time sleeping at night without thinking about that fold lol. I'm probably one of the few that can be bluffing with 33% sizings OTR lol, just see a hand some pages ago where I bluffed for 1bb into a 20bb pot haha.
OTF I think you should bet
bluff raising the river is good vs some people, but I wouldn't expect the population to fold FHs there, specially when you could be valuebetting the same hand.
Now raising the river with a king is a really good move imo
H2: right after H1, where this guy just checked behind without bluffing the best river, we had a pretty similar spot, but I thought that since he didn't bluff last hand, he could think that he would get more respect on this one. So I went and made that light call. Good thought process? In theory it's still a call, right? All his bluffs didn't get there.
H3: optimistic by me, vs unknown, but meh, he has soooo many pocket pairs that could be floating and folding river. OTF it's fine, OTT it's bad, but I like the river. What do you guys think? Check-fold turn? But if I bet the turn, river it's a jam, right?
River:(90.2 BB, 2 players) T Hero bets 60.86 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 86.2 BB
H4: this is a part of my game that I'm working on right now, I'm reducing my valuebets when villain is likely to have air and check so he can bluff. Is it good? OTT we're check-jamming, right?
H1: my std is to fold river, but guy had aggro stats, sample was small, but he had high flop cbet stats, reasonable 3-bet and high turn AFQ and high WWSF. Is this call ok? Or should I just keep folding vs people until I get enough sample to justify this as a clear call?
Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Pre 57%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%) CO shows A Q (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 43%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%) CO wins 98.96 BB
H3: vs unknown, is this line ok? I'm super annoyed by those random guys that call 3-bets, flopc bet and float the turn every single time. Is this line decent? I have tons of equity and push villain's out of his equity there.
BTN shows A Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
Board #1 (Pre 69%, Flop 95%, Turn 82%)
(Three of a Kind, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 74%, Flop 95%, Turn 81%)
BTN wins 98.26 BB BTN wins 98.24 BB
H4: I know min-3-bets OTF are quite strong, but some villains are capable of going nuts in the raising war, as played was it fine? Had so many outs and if villain is bet-folding some stuff there it's +EV, right? How else should I play this?
Turn:(52.14 BB, 2 players) T Hero checks, BTN bets 22 BB, Hero raises to 87.68 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 30.42 BB and is all-in
River:(156.98 BB, 2 players) 3
Spoiler:
Hero shows K J (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 66%, Flop 25%, Turn 0%) BTN shows 9 T (Full House, Nines full of Tens)
(Pre 34%, Flop 75%, Turn 100%) BTN wins 152.98 BB
H5: vs overbluffing reg, decided to fold because I block a ton of his bluffs, good? I think people snap me off in spots like these all the time with **** blockers, they're usually doing it right, but I'm trying to at least choose decent blockers when making huge calls like this. Villain still has all his sets, since he always slowplays them in 3-bet pots. Good check-fold even vs overbluffing reg?
Turn:(34.2 BB, 2 players) T Hero checks, CO bets 11.04 BB, Hero calls 11.04 BB
River:(56.28 BB, 2 players) 5 Hero checks, CO bets 102.7 BB and is all-in, fold
CO wins 53.46 BB
H6: vs villain that was calling 3-bets OOP with AA, so it's likely that the top of his range there is AK only, he also had super aggro stats, looked like an aggro fish. Vs that guy, is it good to just jam pre or call? Should I jam the river for value?
hand 1 - villain has 'reasonable 3bet', CO vs UTG isn't going to be that wide, will he 3 barrel A2/A3/A5s? other Ax?
hand 2 - would check turn
hand 3 - seems ok to me, interesting flop bet - with back door fd only or..? cos we will have all AJo combos as well I assume
hand4 - easy one imo, keep pot small until we hit vs fish
hand 5 - dunno, your reasoning sounds good tho
h6 - nice read, yes I'd call pre IP, jam river makes sense all things considered
why checking turn on H2? don't you think villains bet their Q most of the time? Or do you think people get afraid of valuebetting because they think we could have slowplayed AA/KK?
btw, played a quite boring session today, so many nits, probably broke even
Some hands
H1: vs normal reg and king of nits, sooooo sad to have to fold this, the As blocker makes it a super obvious fold, but even without it I think it's a clear fold vs that guy.
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB
Flop:(40.5 BB, 3 players) 2 6 4
MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets 12.74 BB, MP calls 12.74 BB, CO raises to 50 BB, fold, fold
CO wins 74.78 BB
H2: pure ownage vs reg that was 3-betting me lighter than he should, OTR I should check with all my range, right? On a 9 river leading would have been better, right?
H4: this is a very simple spot and really common, but I think I'm burning money with moves like that vs unknowns. I was bluffing most turns but an A/K/Q, since villain was x/c with a ton of AK/AQ/KQ, and they're more likely to bet their small overpairs. What should I do in spots like that? I get really lost, checking to sd is like really bad, right? Unknowns are so hard to play against =(
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, SB raises to 7.96 BB, fold, Hero calls 5.64 BB
Flop:(16.92 BB, 2 players) T T 8
SB checks, Hero bets 8.36 BB, SB calls 8.36 BB
Turn:(33.64 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero checks
River:(33.64 BB, 2 players) Q
SB bets 16 BB, fold
SB wins 31.96 BB
H5: vs whale, lol! It's ok to just jam vs people who are calling super light there? People usually hit the flop only around 33% of the time, even if he had donk-jammed I need only 33% equity to call. So by jamming with FE it's a really good +ev move, right? Any other option? Shoving pre wasn't an option ever, RFI was a huge nit.
H3 is awful. Think about what range you play like that, and what he folds. I would xc flop and turn.
H4. What do you think a fish with his last 77bb is 3beting you on that flop? Awful.
H5. You cbet 1/3 and then check against an aggro reg? Just asking to get owned really. I would bet again. As played call him down his line looks so bluffy. He bets small on turn then overbet jams river. You put him on a set, and think hes betting turn 1/3 with a set on that board? You said hes over bluffing so perfect spot to call down imo.
H3 is awful. Think about what range you play like that, and what he folds. I would xc flop and turn.
H4. What do you think a fish with his last 77bb is 3beting you on that flop? Awful.
H5. You cbet 1/3 and then check against an aggro reg? Just asking to get owned really. I would bet again. As played call him down his line looks so bluffy. He bets small on turn then overbet jams river. You put him on a set, and think hes betting turn 1/3 with a set on that board? You said hes over bluffing so perfect spot to call down imo.
On H5, isn't it better to check vs aggro players and let them bluff? OTR I could explo call, but blockers were close to the nut worst, I prefer picking at least some reasonable blockers, like AT, also it's not like the guy is going super nuts all the time, specially since I've called him down lightly sometimes.
H1: Vs same guy I've folded AA in a 3-bet pot. Is it ok to just call the river? Thought that he could have straights for that sizing OTR. So annoying, having to make the sickest folds ever, all my semibluffs get snapped by 2-pair+
Hand was played poorly by me, but the guy was range cbetting in a board he shouldn't, so went a little nuts with my bluffs lol. His river check-muck was super funny though!
On H5, isn't it better to check vs aggro players and let them bluff? OTR I could explo call, but blockers were close to the nut worst, I prefer picking at least some reasonable blockers, like AT, also it's not like the guy is going super nuts all the time, specially since I've called him down lightly sometimes.
Blockers are overrated your line was burning money imo.
Blockers are overrated your line was burning money imo.
They're overrated, but I could be wrong in my assumption that the guy was overbluffing a ton. He could be slightly overbluffing or even underbluffing in that spot. Just as an example, even though I overbluff on average, there are lines that I take that I'm almost never bluffing. So I prefer using poker theory in those spots, and 88 is a clear fold there.
33% then going for a shove with an overbet is a really strong move, few people in the pool are capable of bluffing with that line.
Played a good amount of poker today! Games were fun.
Going to start taking some classes at night, meh, it will probably affect how much I play/study poker. I'll probably end up playing less, but there's a chance that I'll start playing more, it depends if I'm capable of following a routine and waking up early. I have so much trouble following routines, also hate sunlight, specially in the morning. Let's see what will happen, I think there's a <10% chance that I'll end up playing more. Will keep doing my best ofc, maybe poker helps me to motivate myself into doing better on that area.
Some hands
H1: When the 8 hit the turn, I already knew he had some slowplaying going on, was so happy, but there's no justice in this world. Slowplaying like that to induce bluffs + run it once is soooo annoying, didn't deserve it at all.
fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, CO raises to 9.64 BB, BTN calls 9.64 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.32 BB
Flop:(30.42 BB, 3 players) K 5 A Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks
Turn:(30.42 BB, 3 players) 8 Hero bets 21.68 BB, CO raises to 195.38 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 70.18 BB and is all-in
River:(214.14 BB, 2 players) K
Spoiler:
Hero shows 8 8 (Full House, Eights full of Kings)
(Pre 55%, Flop 8%, Turn 91%) CO shows K A (Full House, Kings full of Aces)
(Pre 45%, Flop 92%, Turn 9%) CO wins 210.14 BB
BB shows 4 5 (Straight, Six High)
(Pre 36%, Flop 37%, Turn 18%) Hero mucks J T (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 64%, Flop 63%, Turn 82%) BB wins 144.08 BB
H5: vs unknown that was shaping to be a whale, had a note on him from PT4 that he 3-bets K9o, good call OTR? His line is so weird, min-raises usually are very strong, but cbet and check-minraise is just weird. OTR went with my read that if he were 3-betting so much, he could end up spewing with random stuff, also FD missed OTR
Hand was played poorly by me, but the guy was range cbetting in a board he shouldn't, so went a little nuts with my bluffs lol. His river check-muck was super funny though!
you're starting to make me look bad as a coach when you post hands like that man
sorry man, it was really bad specially since we've discussed about that spot in the coaching session.
But everyone makes mistakes, it's hard to play a ton of hands without making minor mistakes, execution is hard. I'm still sometimes making the calling mistakes on the SB when I'm not super focused, old habits die hard.
But overall I'm avoiding these bad plays a ton, playing really solid overall
One thing I always post is the crappy hands I play here, some guys just post hands that make them look good, I've always posted the hands I played like garbage. I like doing that, those hands are way more important than std stuff and things we're not making mistakes.
First 5 mins of the session and I play a hand like this
jesus, people are so scared of getting check-raised OTR vs me LOL!!! This guy was 100% sure he wouldn't bet-fold ever there and decided to make this awesome play lol!
Do you think it’d be fair to say you place too much emphasis on making ‘sick plays’ and massively exploitative plays in such low frequency spots rather than having a solid foundation and overall strategy? Some of these hands just seem like giant spew combined with confirmation bias, like the 92s hand. Even if your opponent is making giant mistakes, making a giant +1 mistake to exploit it just seems bad imo.
Do you think it’d be fair to say you place too much emphasis on making ‘sick plays’ and massively exploitative plays in such low frequency spots rather than having a solid foundation and overall strategy? Some of these hands just seem like giant spew combined with confirmation bias, like the 92s hand. Even if your opponent is making giant mistakes, making a giant +1 mistake to exploit it just seems bad imo.
what spot you're talking about?
I've already told 92s was bad, sometimes it's hard to avoid making bad moves, everyone does them. Yesterday saw in MMAsherdog's stream one 500z hand from a reg that made that 92s hand look like a really good move lol.
Hand was played poorly by me, but the guy was range cbetting in a board he shouldn't, so went a little nuts with my bluffs lol. His river check-muck was super funny though!