H3. Hate turn x. Why would he x AA KK on such a wet board? If hes trapping nh, you should just jam and go broke here imo. What are you doing if he jams brick rivers? Calling I assume anyway otherwise exploited so bad.
you know some players never get called by worse OTT when they jam AA/KK, right?
Which means he denies equity by folding out worse and winning a 90bb pot? Sounds like an awesome reason to jam that turn. You are nitty in spots like this, but in other hands you are bluffing 130bb with total air like the KTo hand?
Which means he denies equity by folding out worse and winning a 90bb pot? Sounds like an awesome reason to jam that turn. You are nitty in spots like this, but in other hands you are bluffing 130bb with total air like the KTo hand?
Hand 6 - like a bigger flop bet vs fish, same reason we vbet turn right, cos otherwise it's a good check back vs anyone thinking.
And like a flat pre on the btn unless blinds are particularly active
OTF it's a standard check, worst flop ever, OTT was going for the check-jam, maybe a 33% bet is good there? OTR villain was unknown, folding is best, right? I called because I thought he would bluff with his 8x OTT
Got disconnected around 5 times today during hands, internet is so bad, don't know how I kept playing. The funny thing is that I didn't get any tilt from that LOL. Mental game is just A+
So I'll probably have a 25k-30k hands month because of those internet issues, I wish I could play more.
Some hands
H1: initial raiser was unknown, 3-bettor was a 40 VPIP guy over 30 hands.
Was it ok? I mean, I had no idea if the initial raiser was tight so it could be a 4-bet-fold, I thought the 3-bettor could call with a ton of garbage like 77, AJo.
UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, CO raises to 6 BB, fold, Hero raises to 106.51 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, CO calls 100.51 BB
Flop:(216.02 BB, 2 players) 2 Q J
Turn:(216.02 BB, 2 players) 5
River:(216.02 BB, 2 players) 3
Spoiler:
Hero shows J J (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
(Pre 81%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%) CO shows T T (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%) Hero wins 213.52 BB
H2: vs nit reg, I really don't know why these guys pull plays like that. If he were like a super crazy reg that seems ok, but vs a nit I was really expecting him to show up with AA so I could get my chop. Is there any merit to his play in the stakes we play and anything below playing with linus? I've seen those guys making plays like that in the high stakes thread, but it's a totally different environment imo.
H3: this one looks way worse than it is, actually I like my play. Just imagine how would it have gone if he didn't have the draw. Dynamics are like this: villain is opening 50%+ in the SB, so in order to punish that I'm defending 100% of my range, 83s could be in the calling range, but I prefer 3-betting it and calling hands like 86o and 7Js that have more playability. When I saw hiw 4-bet sizing, I thought he was super explo there, since making it 2.3x OOP is usually bad(unless he is using a merged range with KQo, 77+, AJo as a thin value range). But I didn't believe he would make so small with his premiums. So I thought I had good odds to call pre. OTF it's just a STD jam imo, 22% equity vs aces + fold equity is really fine in that SPR. Good play? What ranges would you guy use to exploit this guy's pre-flop strat?
H4: vs reg that hates to fold, I only saw that he was raising 50% OTT(3/6) after I had already bet the turn. Vs a player like this, checking is better, right? What adjustments would be fine vs someone that is jamming the turn a ton of the time? Thought about checking back more with draws I don't wanna bet-call, check with SDV and bet mostly nutted hands.
Turn:(34.78 BB, 2 players) K
UTG checks, Hero bets 17.18 BB, UTG raises to 209.19 BB and is all-in, fold
UTG wins 66.64 BB
H5: vs reg that hates to fold, he is opening wide pre, he isn't much aggro, but I think he is capable of pulling some bluffs on blind vs blind scenarios. Good jam OTT?
dude.... calling 4bets with 83s lol I'm not sure if this is real but even against his sizing it's just a fold man, the 3bet pre is okay at a low frequency
AQo check back turn probably close to always with this combo
52o is never a shove in the last hand on turn, probably just a fold actually vs his sizing
dude.... calling 4bets with 83s lol I'm not sure if this is real but even against his sizing it's just a fold man, the 3bet pre is okay at a low frequency
Against someone 4-betting J6s, don't you think I should have enough equity to call? I mean, I didn't know he was doing it with J6s, I expected to see some A7o there and weird stuff so I could jam on some flops.
Hand looks really bad and super ******ed by both players lol, but I think villain's play was really bad and my play was decent.
actually his play is decent and yours is bad, he could maybe favor something like Q5s over J6s or K4s, but J6s isn't too terrible as an occasional 4bet bluff from these positions
your call however is just losing money, I'm also not even sure shoving flop is a thing here
Against someone 4-betting J6s, don't you think I should have enough equity to call? I mean, I didn't know he was doing it with J6s, I expected to see some A7o there and weird stuff so I could jam on some flops.
Hand looks really bad and super ******ed by both players lol, but I think villain's play was really bad and my play was decent.
If someone is 4betting so light, you shouldn't be 3betting so light. Getting in ******ed spots with 83s lolz. Pretty sure flop jam is prob losing also.
AQ I like betting turn for protection/value I dont see whats wrong. He jammed so what just fold you were beat, doesn't mean bad play.
JJ ur jam is pretty fishy.
K9, a nit stacking off there with T9. Ive seen players you have tagged nits stacking off light, often. your tags seem to be wrong.
52o is a fold pre. Turn he is folding no value. Stop using pot odds to justify bad plays. You calling 100% bb range to sb min raises? just friggin fold that trash, you realize your playing zoom 6max not HU right? lolz
You really should move down and rebuild you game not playing 100z with a 26 buy in br. You would make more money grinding 16z imo.
Btw, I thought about the 83s hand and here is my conclusion:
First, I still think it was a +EV play to call the 4-bet and jam the flop, basically that is one of the best flops for 83s(when we're taking into account that we want maximum equity vs the top of his range). We're basically never drawing dead, we're unlikely to be dominated since villain won't have many 3x and 6x in his calling range and neither backdoor draws. 22% equity vs the top of his range + fold equity vs the bottom justifies the jam, if the guy isn't careful with his 4-bets(which he probably isn't since he 4-bet J6s), he will get owned pretty hard there.
Second: Even though I think it was a good move in a vacuum, plays like that are very dangerous and I'll do my best to avoid spots like that, specially because of these factors:
1-It's a small edge/high variance move: My bankroll is really small, if I keep making plays like that, my risk of ruin will increase a ton, the only thing I'm getting there is some extra small EV on the move.
2-Rake is killing the EV of this move by a ton: Rakeback is non-existent and rake is still very high at 100z, so it's possible that if we take rake into consideration + the small edge, it couldn't be worth it.
3-The line between moves like that and monkey tilt is very thin: Even though I got it right vs this opponent, if I keep playing like that, I'll show up in a ton of ******ed spots with ******ed holdings and will try to explain later that "it was a good move, he was lucky to be at the top of his range". I'd basically go near an area that is the most -EV in the game.
Will try to play a little more solid and will tighten up a bit on 100z, people are 3-betting me like crazy and fighting some post-flop. I really feel people are punishing me for my wide opens.
Some hands from yesterday:
H1- Vs guy that was overfolding OTR, I don't know why I 3-bet it pre, probably had some reasoning I don't remember. My std is just to fold there, so It's basically a low frequency 3-bet. OTF I like the range cbet, OTT it's questionable, but if I want to have bluffs on rivers like those, I need to barrel a hand like this there. I wasn't jamming any river, this was probably one of the few that I was bluffing with this hand, since the runnout is so good for my range that I would struggle to find bluffs there, specially blocking the flush. Good play?
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.21 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 4.79 BB
Flop:(15.5 BB, 2 players) 4 3 T CO checks, Hero bets 4.87 BB, CO calls 4.87 BB
Turn:(25.24 BB, 2 players) 9 CO checks, Hero bets 17.99 BB, CO calls 17.99 BB
River:(61.22 BB, 2 players) 7 CO checks, Hero bets 70.14 BB and is all-in, CO calls 70.14 BB
Spoiler:
Hero shows K J (High Card, King)
(Pre 47%, Flop 30%, Turn 23%) CO shows 5 5 (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 53%, Flop 70%, Turn 77%) CO wins 199 BB
H2- vs guy that was very stationy vs me, initial raiser was a fish, the reason why I overcalled, if he were a reg I would had probably used a 3-bet or fold strat. I would lean more towards folding since the guy was 3-betting a tight range. Good river jam for value? Guy had made an ace high call vs a river bet by me in the session.
River:(27.66 BB, 2 players) Q
SB bets 13.14 BB, Hero raises to 87.17 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 51.44 BB
H3: overcalling guy was a fish, 3-bettor was a light 3-bettor. I called because I wanted to play a pot with the fish and both the initial raiser/3-bettor could have me beat a decent amount of the time, I think jamming pre is ok to take down the dead money, but I thought flatting had a higher EV. The flop is very good for my range, since I'm flatting mostly 99-JJ there and I thought it would have gone check check check a ton, so went for the donk to get value from the fish. Once he jams, is it ok to call? I thought he could have 8x, 99, TT, some flush draws. Also I've seen fish make very weird jams like those in a very big pot, trying to take it down with a weak hand like 44.
You think that the only way to make money in poker is from getting value from fish, man. This villain was overfolding a ton and decided to make his stand in that hand. I think in my last 30k hands I got called by explo calls only around 3 times coming from regs, all the other ones got through, and in 2 of those 3 I had a better hand.
On this river there's just no way I'm not bluffing with the Jd blocker, man. Just look at how many bluffs I'll have per value hand.
8 combos of straights(86s/J8s), TT(3 combos), 9Ts(2 combos), 43s(2 combos)
55 combos for value.
Now let's see my bluffs(in the worst case scenario, ofc):
All offsuit combos with blockers
AKo, AQo, AJo, KQo, KJo = 30
All JQs combos: 3
all 56s combos: 3
all 67s combos: 3
bluff combos: 39
villain needs to be right 41% of the time. So in this very extreme scenario, I'm overbluffing, but not by much.
Now if you consider that I rarely 3-bet KJo(10% of the time, probably even less) and AJo and KQo at a 50% frequency, my bluffs drop to 28.
So he needs to be good there around 34% of the time. Which is around the exact odds villain will have to call. It's actually really close for villain. He blocks some of the value which is ok, but just look at how extreme I have to be there to be slightly overbluffing:
A) 3-betting a ton of offsuit combos
B) cbet with them every time
C) barrel turn with them every time
D) Jam the river every time
I'm sure I'm valuebetting him with all those hands at almost 100% frequency, I rarely check back OTT with good hands, my game is really focused on putting pressure on villains and getting as much value as I can, so I usually leave my checking range very unprotected.
It's easy to tell me the play was bad since I lost, but you forget of the times those triple barrels work
Sorry I wasn't referring to the specifics of that hand, I meant that you had a read that he overfolds rivers and then he called down with a hand that suggests that he is massively underfolding, at least vs you.
Sorry I wasn't referring to the specifics of that hand, I meant that you had a read that he overfolds rivers and then he called down with a hand that suggests that he is massively underfolding, at least vs you.
sometimes they have to defend themselves, I can't predict when they will make their stand. The only thing I can do is to be careful not to overbluff after that