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01-14-2018 , 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SalmoTrutta
The pools don't 3bet all that much at these limits. You peel too wide probably. Both things move you away from a pure lead despite it looking tempting. You have to find a way of balancing these (healthy!) concept ideas with the reality of what's going on in your games. Never forget that Sauce is generally talking in a strict theory sense, in a fantasy world where people fight for pots as hard as they should.
if villains aren't fighting as much for pots as they should, then it makes more sense that fighting for pots is a better move against them, right?

I agree with the tighter pre-flop ranges, but you underestimate how nitty I am post-flop. There's tons of spots where I fold more than the theory says it's ok to call. As an example, we should call PPs OTF at some frequency(each of them), in practice I'm folding all PPs but JJ there.
01-14-2018 , 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
if villains aren't fighting as much for pots as they should, then it makes more sense that fighting for pots is a better move against them, right?
Up until the point that they have a tight range as a result of their nittiness, then you just give up. If they are tight pre why would you bluff more postflop.

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01-14-2018 , 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomj
very nice analysis. Not convinced we have range advantage on the turn though?
on a blank turn my range has 55% equity vs villain's cbet, on a T it has 58% equity.
01-15-2018 , 08:54 AM
I think my bankroll is around $2500

Will play a good amount today, probably more 50z than 100z, depends on which of them is softer.

Some hands from yesterday

H1: vs nit, thought about folding pre vs his abnormal size pre. The initial raiser was also very tight, the main reason I just cold called JJ. As played, vs that huge sizing, is it ok to just fold the flop? OTT it's very clear since I don't think this guy is bluffing close to enough, he should be bluffing with really tons of random stuff here for a huge sizing pre/OTF for it to be a good call.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 109.24 BB
SB: 155.04 BB
BB: 104 BB
UTG: 117.96 BB
MP: 109.68 BB
CO: 275.11 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

UTG raises to 2.2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.2 BB, SB raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 12.8 BB

Flop: (33.2 BB, 2 players) 2 6 4
SB bets 19.5 BB, Hero calls 19.5 BB

Turn: (72.2 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 120.54 BB and is all-in, fold

SB wins 69.7 BB

H2: vs reg that was capable of triple barrel bluffing and that probably valuebets thin, good check-call with this hand to protect my check-calling ranges against barrels? OTF that is a board that I'll have to make a ton of checking anyways, really bad for me and will get raised a ton there, vs people who aren't barreling enough I'm going for the check-raise more often. Fine call OTR even with all the population tendencies, right?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 44.01 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 441.14 BB
UTG: 101.9 BB
MP: 130.77 BB
CO: 163.61 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.17 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, CO calls 6.83 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) Q T 5
Hero checks, CO bets 11.91 BB, Hero calls 11.91 BB

Turn: (42.82 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, CO bets 26.85 BB, Hero calls 26.85 BB

River: (96.52 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, CO bets 115.85 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 52.24 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
CO shows T T (Full House, Tens full of Fives)
(Pre 63%, Flop 91%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows Q T (Two Pair, Queens and Tens)
(Pre 37%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
CO wins 198.5 BB


H3: vs unknown, treated him as a fish, I rarely make these donks for value so this is a spot that I'm not used to, is it ok to do that if we think villain is probably a fish?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.5 BB
SB: 188.65 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 129.42 BB
MP: 451.15 BB
CO: 53.52 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 5 5 A
Hero bets 4.64 BB, MP calls 4.64 BB

Turn: (15.78 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 11.24 BB, MP calls 11.24 BB

River: (38.26 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 18.9 BB, MP raises to 93.05 BB, fold

MP wins 73.56 BB


H4: vs unknown, good jam OTT?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 376.1 BB
SB: 325.91 BB
BB: 149.36 BB
UTG: 211.22 BB
MP: 76.2 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 8 9 T
MP bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (29.5 BB, 2 players) A
MP bets 11 BB, Hero raises to 86 BB and is all-in, MP calls 51.2 BB and is all-in

River: (153.9 BB, 2 players) 8

Spoiler:
MP shows T T (Full House, Tens full of Eights)
(Pre 56%, Flop 85%, Turn 91%)
Hero shows Q K (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 44%, Flop 15%, Turn 9%)
MP wins 151.4 BB


H5: vs loose reg, he had really aggro river stats, but sample was really small(140 hands)

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 249.27 BB
Hero (SB): 117.4 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 161.96 BB
MP: 103 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (29.5 BB, 2 players) 7 A 4
Hero bets 9.28 BB, BTN calls 9.28 BB

Turn: (48.06 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (48.06 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 41 BB, Hero calls 41 BB

Spoiler:
BTN shows 5 7 (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 41%, Flop 73%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows K Q (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
(Pre 59%, Flop 27%, Turn 89%)
Hero wins 127.56 BB


H6: vs unknown, vs an aggro reg I'm calling this because the draws didn't get there, also few people valuebet the A OTR, but a fish is surely capable of valuebetting TPWK there, good call?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 50.99 BB
Hero (SB): 101.5 BB
BB: 14.76 BB
UTG: 198.97 BB
MP: 90.68 BB
CO: 180.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 4 J 6
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks

Turn: (9 BB, 3 players) 2
Hero bets 6.41 BB, fold, MP raises to 17.1 BB, Hero calls 10.69 BB

River: (43.2 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, MP bets 27.09 BB, Hero calls 27.09 BB

Spoiler:
MP shows Q 9 (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 38%, Flop 18%, Turn 27%)
Hero shows J K (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 62%, Flop 82%, Turn 73%)
Hero wins 94.88 BB

Last edited by Rapidesh123; 01-15-2018 at 09:02 AM.
01-15-2018 , 11:12 AM
Hand 4 - I don't think we rep much on the turn, we would raise flop with our strong hands, the Ac whiffs our range. Fine with an exploit play vs small sizings. This 1/3 on this board with a set is interesting/bad? We can just lol call with our draws.

Hand 2- pot odds call I guess, and if he can mash away with AQ then yeah. Hearts get there but I think he has to make quite an effort not over bluff his spades, KJs,
01-15-2018 , 02:21 PM
H1. Would call turn, probably shove pre flop vs the squeeze though given nits have more bluffs preflop than postflop

H2. Looks fine although I would almost always shove turn on double FD (if I decided to check call flop), also mostly check raising flop if I go for the check instead of c-bet

H3. I don't think leading flop here is really a thing, I don't hate it but I think checking whole range as default is a much better strategy from the bigblind, as played I'm pretty sure the correct play here is to check/call river, that river bet looks pretty bad to me

H4. You may consider floating turn to bluff most rivers when checked to but shoving turn is absolutely not a thing with KQo there, the worse bluff you MAY want to shove on turn should be a hand like KJ

H5. well played

H6. Looks alright, 3 betting pre a vast majority of the time but as played postflop looks fine
01-15-2018 , 08:12 PM
I tend to 3b pre with AQo vs unknowns and 3b at a 100% frequency if I think they are fish, river seems like really easy xc to me

hand 2 looks like suicide vs fish. Pretty sure you have better hands to jam with ott just let this one go + flop slam dunks his range
01-15-2018 , 08:36 PM
H2 is a shove turn. balancing x range doesnt mean u xc 3 streets on wet boards.
01-15-2018 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
H2 is a shove turn. balancing x range doesnt mean u xc 3 streets on wet boards.
if I jam all my good hands ott, imagine how my range will be otr when I check-call turn. Now think about how you would punish me for not having any hand stronger than AQ there, it would look pretty ugly.
01-15-2018 , 09:49 PM
XC turn with TT/QQ. QT is not the hand to be balancing with in that spot, too many bad rivers. You are still way too obsessed with balance, and it just costs ev. half of 2+2 could write essays about gto but still can't beat 10nl. I bet if you just started playing your equity you would have much better results.
01-15-2018 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
XC turn with TT/QQ. QT is not the hand to be balancing with in that spot, too many bad rivers. You are still way too obsessed with balance, and it just costs ev. half of 2+2 could write essays about gto but still can't beat 10nl. I bet if you just started playing your equity you would have much better results.
villain was quite aggro and not so stationy, by checking I thought I could get more from his bluffs
01-15-2018 , 10:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
XC turn with TT/QQ. QT is not the hand to be balancing with in that spot, too many bad rivers. You are still way too obsessed with balance, and it just costs ev. half of 2+2 could write essays about gto but still can't beat 10nl. I bet if you just started playing your equity you would have much better results.
*looks at threads started by poster*
Last one posted was a hand at $10nl.
Story checks out.

Not that I disagree but the irony's just too rich.

Last edited by .isolated; 01-15-2018 at 10:08 PM. Reason: in b4 "but but that was two years ago"
01-15-2018 , 10:10 PM
mirage is right about this particular hand even if he's a ****wad who can't beat NL50
01-15-2018 , 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
*looks at threads started by poster*
Last one posted was a hand at $10nl.
Story checks out.

Not that I disagree but the irony's just too rich.
even though mirage usually just trolls, I think his ideas on that hand are fine and it's good to have discussions like that.

I like getting ideas/points of views from people regardless of which stake they play
01-15-2018 , 10:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
mirage is right about this particular hand even if he's a ****wad who can't beat NL50
thinking more about it, x/r the turn seems better, villain must be really good reg for a x/c to be > x/r

I'm usually obsessed with my x/c ranges because I think they're super weak so sometimes I try to protect them. VS the average 50z/100z reg it's probably not worth it.

thx guys
01-15-2018 , 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by .isolated
*looks at threads started by poster*
Last one posted was a hand at $10nl.
Story checks out.

Not that I disagree but the irony's just too rich.
lol. Ive moved up since. Can beat 25nl now. Hey Xenoblade what do you play, or do you just spend your time watching sauce videos with a box of tissues?
01-16-2018 , 02:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
lol. Ive moved up since. Can beat 25nl now. Hey Xenoblade what do you play, or do you just spend your time watching sauce videos with a box of tissues?
Isnt online poker banned in Aus ?
01-16-2018 , 02:39 AM
We can still play on ignition poker and ACR Sherlock.
01-16-2018 , 11:21 AM
OP, what nationality are you out of curiosity?


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01-16-2018 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wj294
OP, what nationality are you out of curiosity?


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Brazilian.

A lot of his weird plays and spews will make sense to you and others now
01-16-2018 , 04:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wj294
OP, what nationality are you out of curiosity?


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BRAZIL, VAMOOOOO!!!
01-16-2018 , 04:34 PM
btw, bankroll is probably around $2600

Basically couldn't play yesterday and won't be able to play today again because of internet issues, it's raining and when it rains in Brazil internet starts disconnecting, it's impossible to play. Volume was going so well for the month, I was thinking that I was getting a 40k hands month =(. Sad that those 2 days are slowing me down a ton.

So I'll study poker in my free time today rather than playing, here are some hands from the month I haven't posted because I'm not looking at the results, but managed to find them without looking at how the month is going

H1: vs stationy reg that is 3-betting me lighter than his usual in order to punish my wide opens, since his sizing was slightly smaller than 3x I called, even at 3x it's ok IMO. He probably knows I usually bet-fold a ton and knows I usually overfold on most spots, yet he is a station and won't believe me ever. What do you guys think is a better approach here OTF/OTT(check-calling or check-raising?)? I remembered about the discussion of the QT hand yesterday and decided to fastplay. As played, is it ok to jam the turn for a big amount? If I'm doing that strat, should I increase my flop sizing?

OTR most people will think it's probably too thin, but I never underestimate those guys that love calling me, they just don't fold vs me. [Edit]: NVM, I misread the board, thought the river was a 7h LOOOOOL!

What do you think about jamming the 7h river? Basically I played the hand thinking that I had 2-pairs on a 4 to straight board with flush possible and jammed for value. Now I see that I had a fullhouse lol.

On a perspective from balanced play, we can have some raises OTF, right?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.64 BB
SB: 101.7 BB
BB: 59.78 BB
UTG: 190.36 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 171.62 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 8

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BTN raises to 6.8 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 4.48 BB

Flop: (15.1 BB, 2 players) 6 8 A
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.44 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, BTN calls 9.56 BB

Turn: (43.1 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 21.28 BB, BTN calls 21.28 BB

River: (85.66 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 57.92 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 81.66 BB


H2: vs tight fold happy reg, good raise OTR? I think villain has a ton of better top pairs/overpairs that will fold and calling isn't an option vs him because I doubt he bluffs enough to make it a profitable call. Breakeven call at best. What I like in this river jam is that I'm trying to fold hands that actually fold, rather than trying to make people lay down fullhouses/flushes/straights

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 123.26 BB
SB: 105 BB
Hero (BB): 103.46 BB
UTG: 96.9 BB
MP: 223.54 BB
CO: 73.85 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 8 3 4
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (8 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 5.4 BB, Hero calls 5.4 BB

River: (18.8 BB, 2 players) 2
SB bets 13 BB, Hero raises to 94.06 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 42.56 BB


H3: vs unknown, went for the call OTF because some fish cbet this board almost 100% with their bluffs(and they have a tendency to trap with their good hands), so went for the float. My questions here are: if the guy donk jams, is it a good idea to fold? What if he makes 50% pot, do we raise or call(never folding for 50% there)?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 161.48 BB
SB: 151.33 BB
BB: 134.73 BB
UTG: 119.23 BB
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 145.42 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 8.5 BB, Hero calls 6.18 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 9 A T
BB bets 8.31 BB, Hero calls 8.31 BB

Turn: (34.12 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets 29.16 BB, BB calls 29.16 BB

River: (92.44 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets 99.45 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 89.94 BB

Last edited by Rapidesh123; 01-16-2018 at 04:50 PM.
01-16-2018 , 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.5 BB
SB: 250.08 BB
BB: 116.22 BB
Hero (UTG): 111.69 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 205.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (7.46 BB, 3 players) K K 6
BB checks, Hero bets 2.34 BB, BTN calls 2.34 BB, fold

Turn: (12.14 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 8.65 BB, BTN raises to 25 BB, Hero calls 16.35 BB

River: (62.14 BB, 2 players) K
Hero ?

BTN wins 59.64 BB

Btw, I kept thinking about this hand a ton and making some theories about what would be the best move OTR on different cards.

One of the most interesting rivers that I thought were:
K, A, 3, 6.

OTT it's clear that villain has at least KQ or a fullhouse, maybe some AJdd-type of hands, but he isn't supposed to float OTF a ton with backdoors specially since there's one more player to act that will squeeze him a ton. With nut backdoor draws it's fine though.

I'm probably heavy on Kx there OTT with some backdoor draws/gutshots betting there, still have some AA/QQ/JJ because villain is a station. My question is: what should we do on a K river? Should we develop a donking range? Because villain is so face up and he has 99/66 almost all the time and he will check behind OTR, avoiding value vs our overpairs(that turned into fullhouses) and quads. When we lead the river it's pretty obvious, but stationy guys love to make spewy calls thinking we're bluffing with something random, specially vs a 33% sizing.

I'm talking about an exploitative play here vs face-up opponents that have tendencies of not folding.

What do you think? If we donk on a K river, should we ever bluff(if we have bluffs after calling the turn, which I can't find any)?
01-16-2018 , 04:50 PM
betting small as an exploit might make the most sense
01-16-2018 , 06:56 PM
H2 i give him 20 flush 9 sets kj+aa 30 and since you say you can call for breakeven that gives him less than 30 hands you beat. So total about 90 combos, you need him to fold all sets to break even.

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