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Old 01-12-2018, 10:00 PM   #851
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

Yah but just knowing that you're making a massive step forward. Now just focus on taking the time to think through the hand rather than react.

Try plating a session forcing yourself to take a minimum 10 secs per action for every postflop play (take your hand off the mouse)
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Old 01-12-2018, 10:10 PM   #852
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

Btw, session today went really well, made good plays, didn't tilt. I think my bankroll is around $2700.

Some thoughts on 100z: After some sessions there, I think there are some good regs that make my life harder, specially since they are capable of punishing me really hard for my loose opens. So I'll focus on identifying them and respect when they're in the table. Also even nits are adapting by 3-betting lighter, something that didn't happen on 50z, so the nits of 100z are at least paying more attention to what's happening there.

Right now I'm super exploitable in my folds to 3-bets, folding around 50%, but I fold like that because usually I'm opening a ton of garbage and people have very tight 3-bet ranges, also some guys out there mess with the sizing, making it 4-5x IP(lol).


Some hands

H1: Special sizing vs special reg lol! He snap called on both streets lol

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 59.74 BB
Hero (BB): 103.82 BB
UTG: 145.81 BB
MP: 117.39 BB
CO: 133.85 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 9

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.15 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.15 BB

Flop: (4.8 BB, 2 players) 8 2 T
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (4.8 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 9 BB, CO calls 9 BB

River: (22.8 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 40 BB, CO calls 40 BB

Spoiler:



H2: vs 1 fish and 1 probable fish, I think I played this one really poorly, should bet big OTF and jam the turn. As played OTR I think the fish has Kx a ton of the time, but he could have me beat by random stuff, also if I jam the other fish will have an easier time folding(even though he isn't threatened to put more bbs if I'm jamming or calling, he should see that I'll always have a K when I jam, while if I'm just calling I could have JJ/TT/9x). What do you guys think as played OTR? Jam or call?


PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.9 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 74.64 BB
UTG: 118.1 BB
MP: 120.98 BB
Hero (CO): 106.24 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 8 BB, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (27.5 BB, 3 players) K 5 9
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 8.64 BB, BB calls 8.64 BB, UTG calls 8.64 BB

Turn: (53.42 BB, 3 players) 8
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 16.8 BB, BB calls 16.8 BB, UTG calls 16.8 BB

River: (103.82 BB, 3 players) K
BB checks, UTG bets 49.92 BB, Hero calls 49.92 BB, fold

Spoiler:


H3: Before jamming the river, I thought about my blockers, was c/f all the gutshots with clubs. I'm still overbluffing in this spot if I'm not calling 77 OTF.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
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BTN: 100 BB
SB: 88.3 BB
BB: 65.16 BB
Hero (UTG): 101 BB
MP: 136.2 BB
CO: 101.78 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, MP raises to 8.1 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 7.6 BB, fold, Hero calls 5.78 BB

Flop: (25.3 BB, 3 players) 2 A T
SB checks, Hero checks, MP bets 7.22 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.22 BB

Turn: (39.74 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 12.5 BB, MP calls 12.5 BB

River: (64.74 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 73.18 BB and is all-in, MP calls 73.18 BB

Spoiler:



H4: vs unknown that looked tight-ish, wp?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 122.88 BB
SB: 136.19 BB
BB: 125.14 BB
UTG: 115.32 BB
MP: 37.5 BB
CO: 128.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) J 6 Q
BB bets 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 7.25 BB, fold, CO calls 6.25 BB

Turn: (25 BB, 2 players) 8
CO checks, Hero bets 17.81 BB, CO calls 17.81 BB

River: (60.62 BB, 2 players) 8
CO checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:



H5: vs guy that was shaping to be a reg, should I just check behind OTT and give up unless river is a club?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 133.8 BB
SB: 251.56 BB
BB: 159.36 BB
Hero (UTG): 104.16 BB
MP: 110.11 BB
CO: 173.58 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 5

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 8.5 BB, Hero calls 6.18 BB

Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 3 Q J
BB checks, Hero bets 5.5 BB, BB calls 5.5 BB

Turn: (28.5 BB, 2 players) A
BB checks, Hero bets 20.31 BB, BB calls 20.31 BB

River: (69.12 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 22.06 BB, BB calls 22.06 BB

Spoiler:


H6: vs whale, used the force in this one lol. Called because I had good backdoors that would give me good equity vs the top of his range. What range do you give to the whale there? He was like 42/24, 2 AF, 9% 3-bet and had a 79% flop cbet over 168 hands

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104 BB
SB: 209.59 BB
BB: 276.98 BB
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 79.42 BB
CO: 99.35 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 9

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, MP raises to 8.46 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 7.46 BB, Hero calls 6.14 BB

Flop: (25.88 BB, 3 players) Q 7 8
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets 70.96 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 70.96 BB

Turn: (167.8 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (167.8 BB, 2 players) 7

Spoiler:


H7: vs unknown, good use of blackrain79's special move?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 103.07 BB
SB: 147.35 BB
BB: 146.28 BB
UTG: 408.61 BB
MP: 96.27 BB
CO: 288.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 6

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, SB calls 1.82 BB, fold

Flop: (5.64 BB, 2 players) 5 7 6
SB checks, Hero bets 1.77 BB, SB calls 1.77 BB

Turn: (9.18 BB, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets 6.54 BB, SB calls 6.54 BB

River: (22.26 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 92.44 BB and is all-in, SB calls 87.44 BB

Spoiler:

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Old 01-12-2018, 10:54 PM   #853
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

btw, some bonus hands

H8: Vs good reg, bad call, right? His line is underbluffed a ton, but since I fold a lot OTR, thought he could be exploiting me.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 349.86 BB
UTG: 105.04 BB
MP: 78.1 BB
CO: 127.71 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 4

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 7 Q 7
Hero checks, BB bets 1.76 BB, Hero calls 1.76 BB

Turn: (9.52 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (9.52 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BB bets 7.24 BB, Hero calls 7.24 BB

Spoiler:



H9: vs passive fish, isn't even a tough fold at this point lol

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 63.79 BB
SB: 112.77 BB
Hero (BB): 104.55 BB
UTG: 72.12 BB
MP: 124.48 BB
CO: 101.42 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 5

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (2.5 BB, 2 players) 2 3 J
Hero bets 1.23 BB, UTG raises to 2.46 BB, Hero calls 1.23 BB

Turn: (7.42 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, UTG bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (11.42 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 8.14 BB, UTG raises to 17 BB, fold

UTG wins 26.32 BB
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:53 PM   #854
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

What are you doing in H5, what are you repping? I have no idea what you are actually doing there?
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:58 PM   #855
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How often do you think you should be defending vs. a 3bet?
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:22 AM   #856
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How often do you think you should be defending vs. a 3bet?
it depends on villain and sizing, if he is adapting his 3bet vs my RFI, around 40-45%, if he 3bets a tight static range, I can fold 80% and be fine

my defend ranges change a ton vs different players:
vs nits that 3bet 3-5% and apply pressure postflop(never slowplay), I setmine with 22-QQ and flat AK and AQs

vs nits that are passive postflop, I flat 56s, 76s and fold hands like KJs that will make dominated pairs/trips/2-pairs
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Old 01-13-2018, 12:49 AM   #857
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Sorry i meant H3, the qj is a simple xf on turn, yet you decide to bluff your stack off. What are you doing there.
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:26 PM   #858
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What are you doing there.
Me to please (H3)
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:33 PM   #859
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Obv. Hero thinks he is x/c more T than villain is betting so leads out turn blocking Txs and aq aj. Ships riv for same rsn.
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:39 PM   #860
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you decide to bluff your stack off.
This type of thinking is so fkn tilting
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Old 01-13-2018, 02:57 PM   #861
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Yeah the QJ bluff is actually not that bad at all, in case someone of the caliber of mirage wouldn't know, AA is not among the hands we are trying to fold out. You're welcome mirage.
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:01 PM   #862
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Yeah the QJ bluff is actually not that bad at all, in case someone of the caliber of mirage wouldn't know, AA is not among the hands we are trying to fold out. You're welcome mirage.
BUT HE GOT CALLED, HOW CAN IT BE GOOD
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:18 PM   #863
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haha yeah good ol' bad reg thinking of "omg my bluff got called, what a punt"
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:13 PM   #864
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Obv. Hero thinks he is x/c more T than villain is betting so leads out turn blocking Txs and aq aj. Ships riv for same rsn.
So that's how he would really play Tx in that spot? just donk turn and jam river? It seems like an obviously desperate attempt to rep something he does not have imo. Thats even ignoring the fact that almost no villain is folding Ax there in a 3bet pot 100bb deep anyway. You guys can toss off about 'blocker's all you want but that was Just another awful spot for a bluff and a punt.

I suspect if rapid really did have Tx there he would just xc 3 streets in that spot.

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Old 01-13-2018, 05:17 PM   #865
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I was only making statements.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:00 PM   #866
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So you're saying almost no villain is folding Ax, then you don't think leading Tx and shoving river is good?

Just because you play your entire range on turn as a check doesn't mean splitting your range on turn is a bad play, it's actually probably better to donk this turn with a balanced range than to just check entire range albeit harder to execute.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:31 PM   #867
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Progress, poker is being discussed, rather than insults hurled about. wp gg

Surprisingly I understand both sides of the discussion. Thank you, that's why I'm here.
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Old 01-13-2018, 09:02 PM   #868
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So you're saying almost no villain is folding Ax, then you don't think leading Tx and shoving river is good?
I guess its ok when you actually have Tx.

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Just because you play your entire range on turn as a check doesn't mean splitting your range on turn is a bad play, it's actually probably better to donk this turn with a balanced range than to just check entire range albeit harder to execute.

What a balanced donk range there? I don't see one. I could get onboard with a xj, with clubs, Tx, that would be a credible line, but his line is ignition zone level play.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:14 PM   #869
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It's not good if you only do it with Tx, for obvious reasons, unless we're playing against a whale maybe
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:47 PM   #870
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Just because you play your entire range on turn as a check doesn't mean splitting your range on turn is a bad play, it's actually probably better to donk this turn with a balanced range than to just check entire range albeit harder to execute.
Actually I'm not splitting my range OTT, I'm leading with my entire range. I obviously haven't done the work necessary on this spot, but I got that play from some RIO videos I watched, specially from sauce.

It's impossible to split your range there properly for a human, so leading 100% of the range for a 33% bet sizing is something that simplify it a lot. OTR I'll split my range into a shoving range and a checking range.

I'm 100% sure I'm valuebetting Tx OTR, whenever I donk the turn, I'm the one with the equity advantage and putting pressure on villains range, so it makes no sense for my value hands to just check and trap, he is the one trying to see showdown, not me.

Just imagine if you're in villain's shoes, if you have AK there OTT and the T doubles, what will you accomplish by betting big? You will be mostly valueowning yourself vs a range that contains 20% of hands that has you almost dead.

If I had checked, villain had to check behind most of his range there.

The benefits of range donking the turn are clear for all parts of my range.

Basically my range OTT after I called the flop is made by these kinds of holdings:

1) Weak SDV hands that want to see showdown(weak Ax, small pocket pairs KQ)
2) Strong value hands(trips, FHs, quads, AQ)
3) Semibluffs that want to put pressure on the SDV part of villain's range(JJ/QQ/KK, weak Ax, small PPs) with equity against the top of his range(AK/AQ/Tx).

Now look at what my donk OTT accomplishes for each part of this range:

1) weak SDV hands: we stop villain from betting bigger with the value part of his range, realize our 2-outter equity and sometimes fold some weak SDV hands that beat us, we get closer to showdown for a cheap price.
2)Strong value hands: we get value from hands that wouldn't bet themselves like weak Ax and will set the pot size so it won't be super awkward to jam the river to get it in vs the top of villain's range that we beat(AK/AQ).
3) Semibluffs: we put pressure on villains hands that would like to check behind OTT, getting some fold equity and buying a cheap river for a reasonable price vs AK/AQ.

In the end, the only reason that makes me able to donk the turn is because T doubling is such a great card for my range, and in poker, the player with the equity advantage should be the one betting to get value from the weaker range.

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Old 01-13-2018, 11:28 PM   #871
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checking turn with 100% of range is a fair bit better than leading with 100% of range, if you're going to lead this turn you need to split your ranges otherwise you will be leading too many bluffs and mergy type hands that just don't belong there

if you feel like you can't split properly I would advise to check 100% of range there
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Old 01-14-2018, 06:41 AM   #872
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what about leading turn polarized with Tx+ and some bluffs?

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Old 01-14-2018, 07:45 AM   #873
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The pools don't 3bet all that much at these limits. You peel too wide probably. Both things move you away from a pure lead despite it looking tempting. You have to find a way of balancing these (healthy!) concept ideas with the reality of what's going on in your games. Never forget that Sauce is generally talking in a strict theory sense, in a fantasy world where people fight for pots as hard as they should.
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:49 AM   #874
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^^ nice post
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Old 01-14-2018, 01:37 PM   #875
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Actually I'm not splitting my range OTT, I'm leading with my entire range. I obviously haven't done the work necessary on this spot, but I got that play from some RIO videos I watched, specially from sauce.

It's impossible to split your range there properly for a human, so leading 100% of the range for a 33% bet sizing is something that simplify it a lot. OTR I'll split my range into a shoving range and a checking range.

I'm 100% sure I'm valuebetting Tx OTR, whenever I donk the turn, I'm the one with the equity advantage and putting pressure on villains range, so it makes no sense for my value hands to just check and trap, he is the one trying to see showdown, not me.

Just imagine if you're in villain's shoes, if you have AK there OTT and the T doubles, what will you accomplish by betting big? You will be mostly valueowning yourself vs a range that contains 20% of hands that has you almost dead.

If I had checked, villain had to check behind most of his range there.

The benefits of range donking the turn are clear for all parts of my range.

Basically my range OTT after I called the flop is made by these kinds of holdings:

1) Weak SDV hands that want to see showdown(weak Ax, small pocket pairs KQ)
2) Strong value hands(trips, FHs, quads, AQ)
3) Semibluffs that want to put pressure on the SDV part of villain's range(JJ/QQ/KK, weak Ax, small PPs) with equity against the top of his range(AK/AQ/Tx).

Now look at what my donk OTT accomplishes for each part of this range:

1) weak SDV hands: we stop villain from betting bigger with the value part of his range, realize our 2-outter equity and sometimes fold some weak SDV hands that beat us, we get closer to showdown for a cheap price.
2)Strong value hands: we get value from hands that wouldn't bet themselves like weak Ax and will set the pot size so it won't be super awkward to jam the river to get it in vs the top of villain's range that we beat(AK/AQ).
3) Semibluffs: we put pressure on villains hands that would like to check behind OTT, getting some fold equity and buying a cheap river for a reasonable price vs AK/AQ.

In the end, the only reason that makes me able to donk the turn is because T doubling is such a great card for my range, and in poker, the player with the equity advantage should be the one betting to get value from the weaker range.
very nice analysis. Not convinced we have range advantage on the turn though?
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