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Originally Posted by PandaLife
I would call both H2/H3 rivers without blinking.
KK would have to be against a massive nit for me to tank river on that runout, 5x shouldn't be part of SBs pf range, he might have the odd 99 some times but if he has it then GG. So many potential draws brick otr that this is a snapcall imo, yeah turn brings trips on board so his bluffs should really slow down, but if you are considering folding KK then he is printing.
64 hand I like a river bet more than x/c and I'm absolutely calling a raise vs 'guy with very high AF', the way this hand played out I don't see him having many valueraises otr, we are only losing to 77? His JJ bets flop, 55/33 folds pre (depending on his pf stats). When villain is repping so thin for value I think we have to call. Would like to see some stats on the guy if you have a sample.
From my experience, it's better to be on the nittier side when playing NL50z, I prefer finding reasons to fold rather than to call, mostly because the pool is so nitty and I'm pretty sure that the thing that cost me the most in this stake was leveling myself into calling, even std calls, because people don't bluff.
Fish are usually more unpredictable and they can show with a ton of crap, but even the fish are nitty, I call light only vs huge whales that can show with any2 OTR. On that hand I wasn't folding, but I like to take some time to think about doing that on every spot I get to.
On the 64 hand, the guy had like 11 AF, but the sample was really small, like 20-30 hands, he was probably a fishy player, and those guys usually slowplay OTF with their quads/FH. Also someone with high AF isn't likely to call light OTT, he is either raising or folding most of the time. That's why I folded OTR.
Btw, here is the results of my river raising range:
bluffs: 38
value: 73
So I'm bluffing 34% when I raise the river, that's really close to the amount to be bluffing at an optimal frequency when valuebetting for pot. I've made this research to see how one of the most aggressive regulars bluff the river, if I were underbluffing, then it's safe to say that most of the time river raises aren't safe at all.
I'm pretty sure few people on 50z play as crazy as I do, there's some other regs out there and ofc some crazy fish/drunk people. But it's quite obvious that we should be folding a ton OTR vs the overall population, specially with those huge nits, which are like 90% of the player pool, even the fish.
These % are for potting the river, and I've raised most of the time for less than that, like 75%, some rare min-raises and rare overshoves. But I think we should take a more conservative approach even with dealing with min-raises OTR, fish just don't bluff ever on that spot, we need to be good somewhere around 20% in those spots, but I get the idea that min-raises are made with an even stronger range than pot raises on 50z.
I've looked at the hands I've bet-called the river and I found out that I was winning 35%, even with my super nitty river approach, even with really insane folds that I posted here, I'm making only the amount to break-even on a call for a pot sized bet OTR.
tl, dr: fold the river, guys lol
btw, really cool to see that I'm bluffing at a balanced frequency with my river raises, lol!!!! I was 100% sure I was underbluffing haha