You are owning yourself so hard if you think this is true
So do you keep bluffing normally vs those regs that snap you off with hands that are 100% folds otr? You know that in some spots even for very good players it's hard to get your bluffing frequencies right, right? With a lot of mixed frequency stuff it's very easy to end up overbluffing (even if slightly overbluffing), so are you ok to have the risk of overbluffing vs someone you know is overcalling? And even if the guy is calling only a little bit more than gto that's enough to make almost all your bluffs -EV, if you node lock that into pio, it will start giving up all bluffs if you add only a few more calls to villain's range.
Or did you mean that deviating vs people that you should deviate is good strat? I agree with that, but if you use gto as a metric of "good" and "bad" plays, then deviating should be considered a "bad" strat.
What makes me more afraid isn't that btw, I'm really afraid of autopiloting into a very weak game vs people I shouldn't. When it becomes std to give up bluffs (or valuebet insanely thin, overcall or overfold) vs most of the player pool, it's hard to play balanced vs the rest(unless it's vs people you already know are good, but those are only a small % of people) and I'm afraid I won't make the right play that I know how to do but just won't because I got addicted to my weak strat.
And tbh I don't even know if I'm exploiting people well, maybe I'm just running hot or got into spots with stations at a higher frequency than average.
Or did you mean that deviating vs people that you should deviate is good strat? I agree with that, but if you use gto as a metric of "good" and "bad" plays, then deviating should be considered a "bad" strat.
Youre gonna wait a long time till you can play a "good" strat then
Last edited by JoseMourinho; 07-19-2019 at 03:53 PM.
Reason: Misunderstood what rapi was trying to say :D
deviating is not a bad strat, it's an exploitative one, it's also always going to be higher EV than the GTO strategy so no, by no mean should it be considered "bad" to deviate, as long as it's made under correct assumptions
deviating is not a bad strat, it's an exploitative one, it's also always going to be higher EV than the GTO strategy so no, by no mean should it be considered "bad" to deviate, as long as it's made under correct assumptions
The bold isn't true if villain counter-exploits your exploits. They don't even have to be intentionally attempting this for it to happen.
Not trying to turn this into a pissing contest btw...
Ofc you can deviate, but in the nicest way possible Rapi, that's where you have a proven track record of eventually going overboard with it and owning yourself. You even made a post laughing at some of your older hh's where you made ridic some folds, as you had since seen the bluffs you didn't think existed, and thereby realised how foolish you were being.
What I was trying to point out was that you think you need to deviate in order to beat 100z. This isn't even close to being true.
You seem to be a huge study geek, which is great. IMO, the best thing you could do for yourself is to forget about folding overpairs to standard flop raises and just focus on playing solid. You'll crush 100z, and most importantly, not think the stake is cancerous just because people call rivers with hands that should be folded; they are helping you.
I feel like this conversation was had between everyone back in January or last year when Rapid made the same claim of $100 being tougher than $200 because of unpredictable play. Here we are again. Though, Brokerstars is spot on here:
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I agree with the posts that say rapi does weird stuff and over adjusts a lot of the time/makes interesting assumptions, but I could see merit to folding a lot of these spots.
Not trying to turn this into a pissing contest btw...
Ofc you can deviate, but in the nicest way possible Rapi, that's where you have a proven track record of eventually going overboard with it and owning yourself. You even made a post laughing at some of your older hh's where you made ridic some folds, as you had since seen the bluffs you didn't think existed, and thereby realised how foolish you were being.
What I was trying to point out was that you think you need to deviate in order to beat 100z. This isn't even close to being true.
You seem to be a huge study geek, which is great. IMO, the best thing you could do for yourself is to forget about folding overpairs to standard flop raises and just focus on playing solid. You'll crush 100z, and most importantly, not think the stake is cancerous just because people call rivers with hands that should be folded; they are helping you.
Yeah, you are right, I was so stupid to fold vs everyone, maybe my reads aren't as spot on as I think, could be biased by variance too and maybe regs at 100z aren't as spewy on average, maybe just a few of them and I only remember those because my memory is selective (I really hate bluffing and getting called lol).
And tbh I was going overboard with complaining here, saying I was playing very weak strats, I was just slightly tilted by some plays I've seen recently, I deviate from gto mostly on mixed frequency stuff and from time to time I make some really absurd folds(which is the part of the game that I deviate more from gto, when it comes to underbluffing, overbluffing and overcalling I rarely make 0% plays).
And on top of that I've seen some regs I respect like luxpoker x/r KQ on AQJ BB vs UTG, so maybe my concept of "playing good strats" won't be applied until I'm playing 500z(or maybe playing linus someday, who knows haha ). The truth is that I gotta do my best to beat the players I face now and I gotta focus on knowing where they are making mistakes and profit from that as much as I can so I can move up.
Poker is so tough, variance is so misleading, if I overthink too much I will be overwhelmed by that and will go nowhere.
I feel like this conversation was had between everyone back in January or last year when Rapid made the same claim of $100 being tougher than $200 because of unpredictable play. Here we are again. Though, Brokerstars is spot on here:
gl Rapid. Play well.
100z will always be harder than 200z if I play like I was playing btw haha
I agree with broken, those spots were really nasty and there were legitimate reasons for folding in all of those, QQ pre and AQ were very explo but vs 9 vpip people can't do much more than folding and hoping he isn't bluffing.
Played some this weekend, ran badly, will stay away from 200z for a while, maybe next month if things go well I'll go back to firing some 200.
Btw, my volume is insanely low this month(again), I felt so ashamed that I thought about not updating this anymore. But I'll force myself to update this no matter how silly I look because I feel that if I quit doing it I will have 0 accountability for my volume and could just give up on poker. I've been slacking a lot lately and going out with friends that are in town which isn't the worst, as a matter of fact I think it's healthy for me to get more social stuff going on, I'm such an autist and it's worse with my lifestyle atm, I spend a lot of time without social interactions which is very unhealthy for me, specially when I had depression issues before. I hope after my friends go back to their cities I can put some proper volume on(at least 30k hands/month), it will take ages for me to move up with this very low volume.
Some hands
H1: Not the worst combo to do this with, but I think I'm overdoing in this spot, should be more careful in those sb vs bb situations because people just don't like folding. I think if he had a hand like 9T he would just call me off in there after tanking for a while. Obv I unblock his flush draws and he probably folds Axdd, but I need him to fold some 9x unblocking FDs to make this profitable imo, and if he is calling all of those, then this is losing. I think I should just x/f this OTT
H2: vs spazz reg, this is bad, sure that my combo is good and that in theory it's the easiest x/c in the world, but on these textures people defend less than PIO OTF and won't float many BDFD hands and some PPs to make sure they have enough bluffs on spots like this. Also they could be bluffing smaller (trying to make me fold my busted draws) and shipping when they have value or even valuebetting AK in there, then I'm completely toasted here. Imo x/f > jam > x/c, vs some people I see jamming as the best option. His only natural bluff is 89s and those are 4 combos, for value he will have 8 2p, 6 sets, so 14 only if he is not floating backdoors OTF or turning pairs into bluffs
H5: vs dr.downswing lol, this is the second best hand in my range and my blockers are very strong on top of that, can't fold that. He had a high x/r stat, really love his sizing and he played this spot really well. It has been a while since I've seen someone who understood how to abuse capped ranges well and where they can abuse people who can't protect their x ranges well. But I'm not wrong for not having many Qx when I x back, gto is supposed to be really aggro and my Qx are always stronger than his Qx, so can't bother with x some of those back. Also I'm supposed to keep barreling at a reasonable frequency OTT because the turn isn't as good for him as it looks. I see a lot of people checking close to range OTT in that spot and I think it's a big mistake to do that mostly because few people are doing what this guy is doing. WP, sir.
Turn:(15.56 BB, 2 players) 3 Hero checks, CO bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, CO calls 17 BB
River:(63.56 BB, 2 players) 2 Hero bets 71.38 BB and is all-in, CO calls 71.14 BB and is all-in
Spoiler:
Hero shows A 6 (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 32%, Flop 16%, Turn 9%) CO shows K K (Full House, Threes full of Kings)
(Pre 68%, Flop 84%, Turn 91%) CO wins 201.84 BB
h1 imagine having any hands that want to jam this river
h2 atrocious call
h4 ob turn. hahah are u making the worst possible play with the worst possible sizing and worst possible combo on purpose?
h9 imagine giving a bot your money
h4 ob turn. hahah are u making the worst possible play with the worst possible sizing and worst possible combo on purpose?
75% is fine, my sizing in that spot should be related to how thin I'm valuebetting and how often villain x/r the flop with KQ, frequencies are far more important than sizings.
h1 imagine having any hands that want to jam this river
h2 atrocious call
h4 ob turn. hahah are u making the worst possible play with the worst possible sizing and worst possible combo on purpose?
h9 imagine giving a bot your money
h1 we 100% will have river jams, you suggest checking everything on river???
In general, when people bet big on this flop, we're not going to be x/r too much and 74hh does seem too loose. It probably mostly gives up on turn as well, as played the river is the only street I agree with.
h5, 7, 8 all seemed reasonable with h8 being nicely played. Everything else was a bit rough.
h1 we 100% will have river jams, you suggest checking everything on river???
In general, when people bet big on this flop, we're not going to be x/r too much and 74hh does seem too loose. It probably mostly gives up on turn as well, as played the river is the only street I agree with.
h5, 7, 8 all seemed reasonable with h8 being nicely played. Everything else was a bit rough.
1/3 seems like most logical size. fold out draws, can value bet vs 9x region with a bunch of hands
1/3 seems like most logical size. fold out draws, can value bet vs 9x region with a bunch of hands
Well in general solvers will mix sizes and I'm sure this is a spot where it would too, but not sure it favors block here. Some of our better bluffs will want to shove along with value I would still probably shove a bunch of overpairs on river for value tbh.
Cliffs: not sure exact frequencies but know this a spot where we use all in sizing more than a decent amount
Well in general solvers will mix sizes and I'm sure this is a spot where it would too, but not sure it favors block here. Some of our better bluffs will want to shove along with value I would still probably shove a bunch of overpairs on river for value tbh.
Cliffs: not sure exact frequencies but know this a spot where we use all in sizing more than a decent amount
dno what pio does but shipping tt-kk on river seems a bit suicidal, especially when u block calling range (t9-k9). i agree though if pio shoves it'll shove 45 and 45 blockers but we don't really have many of these hands compared to tt-kk region
Hero shows K Q (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
(Pre 71%, Flop 59%, Turn 75%) BTN mucks Q T (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
(Pre 29%, Flop 41%, Turn 25%) Hero wins 68.5 BB
H4: bad bluff by me, bad blockers, decided to bluff because I couldn't find many bluff candidates in there, but will have other combos of AT and 98 and some random low freq spazz lol
River:(78.5 BB, 2 players) 5 BB bets 76.43 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 76.43 BB
Spoiler:
BB shows T T (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%) Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%) Hero wins 228.86 BB
H6: I am so dumb. I know this is insane and very bad, but my logic was that fish bluff smaller to try to rep the K and when they go big they are targeting the Kx for value because they put us on AK always.
^ he means he doesn't like money and only uses a default set of sizings but adjusts his value:bluff frequencies
also rapi not that i wan't u to succeed or anything but u really gotta stop folding strong hands vs whales otherwise you're never going to make back the money u lose with ur weak fundamentals vs regs