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Old 03-12-2019, 06:32 PM   #6401
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

In my DB population folds 51% to flop cbet. Mine is higher and I have a winning redline...

Pool plays nothing like pio.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:55 PM   #6402
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In my DB population folds 51% to flop cbet. Mine is higher and I have a winning redline...

Pool plays nothing like pio.
In my DB they fold 44% at 20nl. I fold a bit more because I think it's optimal vs the population that's very agro.

Btw, I really do think that red line is the most useless stat in poker. But for some reason everyone is focusing on it way too much. It's easy to manipulate ones red line without losing/gaining any EV. Most of the spots that affect the red line are ~0 EV calls/folds and ~0 EV bets/checks.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:23 PM   #6403
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well he's not entirely wrong, if people do always bet 3/4 or check then we don't need to defend nearly as much but then again I don't think zoom50 players on stars are doing that
Yeah but that's not the case, of course not every one goes 1/3rd but even in pools where lot of people go 3/4th it's overfolding IMO

Saying that as an American Reg who def saw this a bunch when I started off at 25NL and 50NL
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:24 PM   #6404
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In my DB they fold 44% at 20nl. I fold a bit more because I think it's optimal vs the population that's very agro.

Btw, I really do think that red line is the most useless stat in poker. But for some reason everyone is focusing on it way too much.
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Old 03-12-2019, 10:45 PM   #6405
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Not if he 3-bets the flop/get it in with an overpair on Q26r mw 100bb deep or cold 4-bet-call 66 on utg dynamics.
Even whales today have access to reasonable pf ranges, but if they copy them blindly and have the same game postflop they're still exploitable for insane amounts of EV
By this logic you are the whale of whales.

I apologize in advance if this is condescending. Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:06 AM   #6406
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your kind of a little **** mazborg
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Old 03-13-2019, 02:12 AM   #6407
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:32 PM   #6408
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Roll is at $4k, volume still low.

Some hands

H1: vs fish, bad combo but won't fold

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 194.42 BB
SB: 123.62 BB
BB: 91.76 BB
UTG: 112.8 BB
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 122.86 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, fold

Flop: (5.64 BB, 2 players) 4 9 K
SB checks, Hero bets 1.4 BB, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 1.6 BB

Turn: (11.64 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 7.74 BB, Hero calls 7.74 BB

River: (27.12 BB, 2 players) 9
SB bets 19.5 BB, Hero calls 19.5 BB

Spoiler:


H2: Not sure about this one, OTT something tells me I should just range bet small, but I feel like people overfold so much OTF that it's hard to get calls by worse. OTR I decided to call because I thought he could be valuebetting QQ or having bluffs, who knows, maybe it's a fold, what do you guys think?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 151.78 BB
BB: 100 BB
Hero (UTG): 137.64 BB
MP: 122.14 BB
CO: 110.48 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, MP raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 26 BB, MP calls 18.5 BB

Flop: (53.5 BB, 2 players) 7 A 7
Hero bets 13.22 BB, MP calls 13.22 BB

Turn: (79.94 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (79.94 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, MP bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB

Spoiler:



H3: vs aggro whale, I feel like these guys just bluff all day OTT when we check, so can't find many hands he would bluff with OTR, specially since they're not turning much stuff into a bluff. He snap raised me OTR too. Call or fold?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 115 BB
Hero (SB): 144.5 BB
BB: 110.92 BB
UTG: 55.08 BB
MP: 93.1 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (17 BB, 2 players) K 8 K
Hero bets 4.2 BB, UTG calls 4.2 BB

Turn: (25.4 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: (25.4 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 18.1 BB, UTG raises to 36.2 BB, fold

UTG wins 58.52 BB


H4: vs passive fish that folded much, I was range checking but remembered of the discussion we had here haha. Good sizing OTR? I feel like this guy has so many 2p combos and nutted **** and with his folding tendencies couldn't see myself getting called by worse if I had bet big(I rarely have this thought process btw). Also check-calling is terrible and check-folding seems bad, but better than betting big or check-calling imo. So went for the small bet-fold.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.82 BB
SB: 103 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 34.58 BB
MP: 106.26 BB
CO: 162.82 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Flop: (10.5 BB, 2 players) 5 T 9
Hero bets 5.18 BB, BTN calls 5.18 BB

Turn: (20.86 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 14.86 BB, BTN calls 14.86 BB

River: (50.58 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB

Spoiler:


H5: vs aggro whale, I'm sad with myself that I didn't snap call him haha vaaaaamo!

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 237.02 BB
BB: 241.62 BB
UTG: 113.48 BB
MP: 268.18 BB
Hero (CO): 113.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) A 9 5
BB checks, Hero bets 1.26 BB, BB calls 1.26 BB

Turn: (7.66 BB, 2 players) 8
BB bets 7.28 BB, Hero calls 7.28 BB

River: (22.22 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 21.1 BB, Hero calls 21.1 BB

Spoiler:


H6: vs passive station reg, wp? He snap bet OTR, Can't find that many hands being turned into a bluff by this guy like that, he had 38 wwsf in my sample. Sure that 1k hands is low for wwsf, but we can expect him to be below 45 with a somewhat decent confidence, right?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 185.68 BB
SB: 84.96 BB
Hero (BB): 108.16 BB
UTG: 161.84 BB
MP: 141.7 BB
CO: 10.88 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) T K 2
Hero checks, MP bets 2.72 BB, Hero calls 2.72 BB

Turn: (10.94 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, MP bets 5.4 BB, Hero raises to 17 BB, MP calls 11.6 BB

River: (44.94 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, MP bets 32 BB, fold

MP wins 42.7 BB


H7: you are button clicking, sir! ops.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 122.36 BB
SB: 517.58 BB
BB: 85.62 BB
Hero (UTG): 101.3 BB
MP: 62.32 BB
CO: 150.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 7

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 6 4 T
BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (9.14 BB, 2 players) 2
BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (17.14 BB, 2 players) 3
BB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Spoiler:

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Old 03-14-2019, 12:12 AM   #6409
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H1: don't understand why calling checkraise this texture and then calling down 3 streets. I think sizing on the flop is another key data point that should make us want to fold. The river is really bad card as well.

H2: Vs utg can maybe find a fold. Hand is whatever I don't fold here very often.

H3: Think he's super nutted here and we are never good. Hard to come up with stuff we beat.

H4: Why is check-calling terrible? I think betting is better wp. If you checked flop here it would've been really really awful so it's good to see you made progress after 20 people told you something....

h5: WHY DO YOU BET 25% POT VS AN AGGRRO WHALE AEKGNSLGNSDKGNAESESNGSG JUST STOP DOING THAT AGAINST ANYONE YOU CONSIDER A WHALE

h6: Don't understand your line at all tbh. Why are we xr turn? I call river but I would never be in this spot so it's pretty hard to say what I would do. I mean if we check river it's to check call right? Why don't we valuebet? I'm so confused.

h7: lol w/e
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Old 03-14-2019, 12:29 AM   #6410
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H4: vs passive fish that folded much, I was range checking but remembered of the discussion we had here haha. Good sizing OTR? I feel like this guy has so many 2p combos and nutted **** and with his folding tendencies couldn't see myself getting called by worse if I had bet big(I rarely have this thought process btw). Also check-calling is terrible and check-folding seems bad, but better than betting big or check-calling imo. So went for the small bet-fold.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102.82 BB
SB: 103 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 34.58 BB
MP: 106.26 BB
CO: 162.82 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Flop: (10.5 BB, 2 players) 5 T 9
Hero bets 5.18 BB, BTN calls 5.18 BB

Turn: (20.86 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 14.86 BB, BTN calls 14.86 BB

River: (50.58 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 14 BB, BTN calls 14 BB

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Did you have a headache after this hand?
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Old 03-14-2019, 12:43 AM   #6411
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Lol Mz, he makes everything so complicated

Just bet a standard sizing with AA rapi and get value, ur projecting useless thoughts onto a fish and giving up some ev here where he has tons of worse hands to call with
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Old 03-14-2019, 03:28 AM   #6412
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All these posts are painful to read.
Telling someone to value bet big vs a passive fish is painful for you to read? Weird but ok, I guess poker has moved on.

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Old 03-14-2019, 03:50 AM   #6413
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:03 AM   #6414
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:32 AM   #6415
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:40 AM   #6416
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Deservedly banned.

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Old 03-14-2019, 07:52 AM   #6417
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now let's hope mzbourg gets banned asap
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:46 AM   #6418
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Lol Mz, he makes everything so complicated

Just bet a standard sizing with AA rapi and get value, ur projecting useless thoughts onto a fish and giving up some ev here where he has tons of worse hands to call with
Yeah, because a guy who folds almost 60% to cbets on all streets will pay me off with worse here enough of the time. Most of the passive fish at 50z are those guys who just are super nitty and overfold.

I make everything so complicated because poker is a complicated game, I don't bunhunt people all day looking for terrible players to prey on, things are obv more simple like that.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:54 AM   #6419
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Dunno why people are so excited about H4, yeah flop should be bigger oop vs fish, otherwise it is wp.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:00 AM   #6420
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now let's hope mzbourg gets banned asap
Mirage at least was funny, even though he was annoying he had some really good jokes, now mzbourg is always annoying and has 0 good jokes.

Deservedly banned haha
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:09 AM   #6421
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H1: don't understand why calling checkraise this texture and then calling down 3 streets. I think sizing on the flop is another key data point that should make us want to fold. The river is really bad card as well.

H2: Vs utg can maybe find a fold. Hand is whatever I don't fold here very often.

H3: Think he's super nutted here and we are never good. Hard to come up with stuff we beat.

H4: Why is check-calling terrible? I think betting is better wp. If you checked flop here it would've been really really awful so it's good to see you made progress after 20 people told you something....

h5: WHY DO YOU BET 25% POT VS AN AGGRRO WHALE AEKGNSLGNSDKGNAESESNGSG JUST STOP DOING THAT AGAINST ANYONE YOU CONSIDER A WHALE

h6: Don't understand your line at all tbh. Why are we xr turn? I call river but I would never be in this spot so it's pretty hard to say what I would do. I mean if we check river it's to check call right? Why don't we valuebet? I'm so confused.

h7: lol w/e
25% vs aggro whales is good, induce is strong.

H6: yeah, really hard to understand why I raise AQ in there, maybe it's better to raise only flushes with 0 bluffs, very good, man
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:12 AM   #6422
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Dunno why people are so excited about H4, yeah flop should be bigger oop vs fish, otherwise it is wp.
both flop and river you can go significantly bigger vs fish, but i agree EV difference shouldnt be massive
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:12 AM   #6423
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Yeah, because a guy who folds almost 60% to cbets on all streets will pay me off with worse here enough of the time. Most of the passive fish at 50z are those guys who just are super nitty and overfold.

I make everything so complicated because poker is a complicated game, I don't bunhunt people all day looking for terrible players to prey on, things are obv more simple like that.
Stop being so rude and arrogant, you talk way too much for someone who cant get past 100z after years playig poker (sunrunning to 200z and back doesnt count).
It is ridiculous to see you disrespect a better player than you trying to help like this.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:19 AM   #6424
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Stop being so rude and arrogant, you talk way too much for someone who cant get past 100z after years playig poker (sunrunning to 200z and back doesnt count).
It is ridiculous to see you disrespect a better player than you trying to help like this.
You only look at the part I ran well at 200z, but forget I've always ran like aids at 100z for 140k hands (-2.7bbev over that sample). Chaotic is obv a player I don't respect much because he posts graphs only when he is winning and out of nowhere he disappears and say he is playing nl25, but all graphs he posts he is beating nl200+ for 10bbs.

There's no way a fold happy fish will call me with worse >50% on that texture if I bet big
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:25 AM   #6425
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There's no way a fold happy fish will call me with worse >50% on that texture if I bet big
I think I'll never understand this. Why do you keep on stating things like if they were undeniable facts? Do you have any black and white data to back it up?
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