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Old 03-12-2019, 02:28 AM   #6376
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Rapid, the bulk of my post has literally nothing to do with that hand. It has to do with that you put in large volume but can't grow a bankroll or move up stakes. It has to do with your thinking about the game is a mixture of pedantic and inconsistent theorizing.

I wish you luck, but your time would be best spent figuring out a way to get you to your goals. You have a lot of time. Figure it out.
My volume is very low, was 36k hands/month last year

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Old 03-12-2019, 02:32 AM   #6377
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How passive was he? What was his fold to delay cbet? Or just fold to cbet? There's no way you had enough hands to have enough confidence to just fold everything that isn't overpair++.

If you are worried about having a "strategy" or being "exploited" you just can't fold this hand it's way too big a deviation/adjustment...and if he is passive the passive than vpip/pfr isn't the stats you wanna look at (though a big gap like that tells me he's a volitile fish not a passive one).

Do you even read what you write? I'm staring to just think this an elaborate troll. He doesn't have to be purely value driven here...he can have semibluffs/random airball bluffs.


Just lol at you calling other nits and having this heuristic about the pool...then again you call people huge nits and they 5bet jam 88/73o or whatever...maybe your reads aren't so reliable?
Are you discounting the Jx that he bets the flop or do you think he checks back all of those? From my experience these guys bet TP quite often, specially the combos I'm ahead of ott.

And my reads aren't 100%, nobody's reads are, sometimes nits tilt, but are you calling his triples because of one time you saw him go bananas while tilted?

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Old 03-12-2019, 02:40 AM   #6378
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You're only thinking about this one hand. The ev difference of this is actually very big since playing oop vs a l/p is a very common occurrence.

Rapid, you couldn't have put in all this work and actually think of that as logical reasoning for checking there. I refuse to believe it. Stop trolling the trolls!

You're just wrong. These guys make many many mistakes by calling too much and you should be capitalizing on them.
You're considering him as a station passive guy, from what I remember he folded flop 55% and turn 50%+, so the more he folds, lower the difference between checking and betting.

Vs station passive regs I will make an effort to valuebet strong and check weak from now on, now vs those guys who are passive but won't call very light I will keep my usual strat. Btw, last year I was playing like you said, I started with that range checking thing vs everyone this year (and sometime last year but somehow quit doing that).
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:45 AM   #6379
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rapidesh123, the legend is back

Hey maybe when literally everyone is saying youíre doing something wrong you should think about accepting that and fixing it.

Luckily for you. Fixing this leak is very easy. Any time you have tptk vs a passive fish you bet flop and turn and river.

Please dont explain again how the EV is negligible and ****. Already had Tgiggity make himself look like a moron trying to explain it.

Edit: posted this without seeing your previous post. Gj Rapidesh. Iím proud.

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Old 03-12-2019, 02:46 AM   #6380
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You're considering him as a station passive guy, from what I remember he folded flop 55% and turn 50%+, so the more he folds, lower the difference between checking and betting.
My point is when he has worse, he's calling down and when he has nothing he's always taking his equity while you get nothing from middle/bottom pair that folds to a turn bet when there are two overs against his pair. If you want an adjustment vs him bet too much instead of checking everything because you want value from the top of your range.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:48 AM   #6381
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Vs station passive regs I will make an effort to valuebet strong and check weak from now on
Rapi actually taking advice on board and incorporating it, it just can't be?! Props to you.

The worrying thing is that you aspire to be a NL200 reg very soon... while 75% of NL2 players would know the above.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:00 AM   #6382
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Hey maybe when literally everyone is saying youíre doing something wrong you should think about accepting that and fixing it.

Luckily for you. Fixing this leak is very easy. Any time you have tptk vs a passive fish you bet flop and turn and river.

Please dont explain again how the EV is negligible and ****. Already had Tgiggity make himself look like a moron trying to explain it.

Edit: posted this without seeing your previous post. Gj Rapidesh. Iím proud.
what are you talking about? I didn't comment on this hand lol
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:32 AM   #6383
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I do find it amusing that some of you are now finally realizing what I did about 3 years ago. lul.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:47 AM   #6384
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lding turn? He was a 26 vpip whale btw. I think I should have made it bigger pre too.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 113.3 BB
SB: 101.75 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 146.43 BB
MP: 184.94 BB
Hero (CO): 204.27 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, MP raises to 4.31 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 7.69 BB

Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) 8 T K
MP checks, Hero bets 6.3 BB, MP raises to 20.66 BB, Hero calls 14.36 BB

Turn: (66.82 BB, 2 players) A
MP bets 63.68 BB, Hero calls 63.68 BB

River: (194.18 BB, 2 players) 9
MP bets 88.6 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 191.68 BB
so he bets the turn and you call

and nothing changes on the river

and you fold

did you call the turn with a full house draw?
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:23 AM   #6385
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so he bets the turn and you call

and nothing changes on the river

and you fold

did you call the turn with a full house draw?
That fold was bad, how old was it? I was probably still a pussy at that time. Tbh I think folding turn is best, but if calling turn I should call the river, my line was by far the worst.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:14 AM   #6386
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55% fold to cbet isn't particularly passive/high. It's pretty normal.

I'm not discounting the Jx he bets on the flop but I am accounting for him having KQo or something. Just call in these spots I think you'll be suprised. If we go back to thinking about "balance" why do we check? It's to protect us when we do bet.

Just a simple rule is if we beat any valuebets we can't fold. Sure maybe I didn't do the math of when we lose a big pot because he has the nuts but I know you just never fold when beating value.

I think the AK river fold is fine just because it doesn't compound your mistake of calling turn even though board hasn't changed.

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Old 03-12-2019, 06:50 AM   #6387
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given GTO folds roughly 40% to cbet I would say 55% is pretty high
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:53 AM   #6388
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That fold was bad, how old was it? I was probably still a pussy at that time. Tbh I think folding turn is best, but if calling turn I should call the river, my line was by far the worst.
It was from 11/18.

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given GTO folds roughly 40% to cbet I would say 55% is pretty high
He obviously meant compared to the population.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:56 AM   #6389
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It was from 11/18.

He obviously meant compared to the population.
population at 50z I assume? because at midstakes and higher there are very few people who are folding that much, and the people who are are always considered weaker players
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:24 AM   #6390
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population at 50z I assume? because at midstakes and higher there are very few people who are folding that much, and the people who are are always considered weaker players
That's because the average bet sizings on the flop are smaller at higher stakes.

At micros most players just c-bet 3/4 pot on every flop. This makes it ok to fold ~55%.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:05 AM   #6391
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I think the 1/3 cbet is widely accepted even as low as 50z on stars is it not?
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:27 AM   #6392
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That's because the average bet sizings on the flop are smaller at higher stakes.

At micros most players just c-bet 3/4 pot on every flop. This makes it ok to fold ~55%.
This, a lot of players cbet really big with a very tight range, can't do much but to fold

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I think the 1/3 cbet is widely accepted even as low as 50z on stars is it not?
1/3 is widely accepted at 50z, even incentivized because of the low x/r frequencies, but also it is to fold the river, not 5-bet jam 88 140bb deep and call 5-bet jams with A3s but people still do that haha
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:22 PM   #6393
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He was a 26 vpip whale btw
Alright then.
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Old 03-12-2019, 03:25 PM   #6394
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Alright then.
That's called a reg, I think.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:17 PM   #6395
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That's called a reg, I think.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:30 PM   #6396
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That's because the average bet sizings on the flop are smaller at higher stakes.

At micros most players just c-bet 3/4 pot on every flop. This makes it ok to fold ~55%.
Nah.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:31 PM   #6397
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That's called a reg, I think.
Not if he 3-bets the flop/get it in with an overpair on Q26r mw 100bb deep or cold 4-bet-call 66 on utg dynamics.
Even whales today have access to reasonable pf ranges, but if they copy them blindly and have the same game postflop they're still exploitable for insane amounts of EV
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:31 PM   #6398
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Not if he 3-bets the flop/get it in with an overpair on Q26r mw 100bb deep or cold 4-bet-call 66 on utg dynamics.
Even whales today have access to reasonable pf ranges, but if they copy them blindly and have the same game postflop they're still exploitable for insane amounts of EV
Neither of those 2 instances seem whale-like to me, especially if there's history involved between the players.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:45 PM   #6399
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Nah.
well he's not entirely wrong, if people do always bet 3/4 or check then we don't need to defend nearly as much but then again I don't think zoom50 players on stars are doing that
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