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Old 03-11-2019, 07:21 PM   #6351
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Don't worry, he'll outplay them on later streets.
But will he range check the flop?
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:11 PM   #6352
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man you microstakes droolers and your condescending comments are getting really old
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:30 PM   #6353
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Wow hit "pot" and bet 3x with TPTK against a fish when ranges are wide cause it's BvB. Super hard to think about our gametree there....

Lol at the fold he is raising worse Jx for value. I don't actually see any consistency in your strat except fps:
1) Make super insane folds to a single raise
2) Bluff off a stack in a single raised or 3bet pot because "villains can't call"
3) Call people down super light because it's fun.

This is very much a rec's mentality about getting dopamine rush from poker of the big call/big bluff/big fold even if the plays are not good. There is also the bad reg mentality of justifying burning $/EV through theory which is either incorrectly applied or doesn't apply at all to certain spots.

If Linus were playing a 30/11 he wouldn't play the same way as he would against limitless or whatever....
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:48 PM   #6354
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man you microstakes droolers and your condescending comments are getting really old
But what is dumber, their replies or saying you are happy to always make a -ev play to just play more consistent. That whole response from Rapid demonstrates a completely illogical thought process that is not compatible with becoming a better player.
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:50 PM   #6355
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:04 PM   #6356
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But what is dumber, their replies or saying you are happy to always make a -ev play to just play more consistent. That whole response from Rapid demonstrates a completely illogical thought process that is not compatible with becoming a better player.
It's funny that you guys always said I deviated too much all the time and that I didn't have a solid "std gameplan". And you guys were right, it was a very big leak of mine, whenever I saw an opportunity to exploit someone I went out of my way to do that, resulting in getting owned by being predictable/wrong/losing more if I were wrong than winning than I was right.

It took a long time for me to have some discipline to follow a gameplan and I won't give up on that because of one little spot which btw isn't even a big deal, the guy overfolded anyways and wouldn't pay me off as light as you guys think. If I constantly deviate from my std strat I will go off the rails again, I know myself and if I start cbetting some flops I would range check it won't be long until I'm playing ape**** poker again.

At least otf and pre I will play a reasonable strat vs almost everyone. I already have an explo plan vs most player profiles but not this one yet on this spot.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:16 PM   #6357
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Wow hit "pot" and bet 3x with TPTK against a fish when ranges are wide cause it's BvB. Super hard to think about our gametree there....

Lol at the fold he is raising worse Jx for value. I don't actually see any consistency in your strat except fps:
1) Make super insane folds to a single raise
2) Bluff off a stack in a single raised or 3bet pot because "villains can't call"
3) Call people down super light because it's fun.

This is very much a rec's mentality about getting dopamine rush from poker of the big call/big bluff/big fold even if the plays are not good. There is also the bad reg mentality of justifying burning $/EV through theory which is either incorrectly applied or doesn't apply at all to certain spots.

If Linus were playing a 30/11 he wouldn't play the same way as he would against limitless or whatever....
Lol at a passive fish raising TP for value
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:18 PM   #6358
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PoKeR iS dEaD
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:20 PM   #6359
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Rapid, these 30/10 l/p guys should be the bread and butter of your winnings. I realize you acknowledged that you should've bet on that flop but then you follow it up by contradicting yourself and saying it's fine because it's consistent. It's bad because you're spewing money by not betting. Bet and get money from these guys.

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This is very true esp. after he doesn't bet otf.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:22 PM   #6360
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I already have an explo plan vs most player profiles but not this one yet on this spot.
I already have an explo plan vs most player profiles but not this one yet on this spot.
I already have an explo plan vs most player profiles but not this one yet on this spot.
I already have an explo plan vs most player profiles but not this one yet on this spot.
I already have an explo plan vs most player profiles but not this one yet on this spot.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:44 PM   #6361
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Rapid, passive fish aren't exploiting you. You're beating yourself. You always have been and always will be your own worst enemy. The advice in this thread is always off base though. People are giving him advice like he's a normal person who learns how normal players learn. This clearly isn't true. He has some mental stumbling blocks. I don't know him well enough to offer up solutions, but he isn't going to figure it out how a normal person would. If he could, he would have already.
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:52 PM   #6362
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Rapid, passive fish aren't exploiting you
of course they are not....how can they when he is so consistent
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:03 PM   #6363
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Rapid, passive fish aren't exploiting you. You're beating yourself. You always have been and always will be your own worst enemy. The advice in this thread is always off base though. People are giving him advice like he's a normal person who learns how normal players learn. This clearly isn't true. He has some mental stumbling blocks. I don't know him well enough to offer up solutions, but he isn't going to figure it out how a normal person would. If he could, he would have already.
How do you think he learns?
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:05 PM   #6364
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:09 PM   #6365
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i usually hate your posts but this made me lol
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:15 PM   #6366
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Tgiggling name change awaits.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:17 PM   #6367
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i usually hate your posts but this made me lol
I understand...some people can't handle the truth
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:24 PM   #6368
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Haha

Chill out a bit boys, I will be fine

Btw, studied today a lot IP vs utg/mp in 3bp vs monker ranges and 2 more types of ranges I think players call pre in that spot, was quite surprised with what I learned.

I was misplaying that spot a lot, it is clearly the area of my game I'm making more mistakes. So good to come with answers to my questions. That's a spot where I think both players have incentive to go as explo as they can, specially since it's hard to get reads on.

Also I can extrapolate what I learned to CO vs BTN and BB vs SB, both as the preflop caller and aggressor. In my sample I was destroying in SRP and always getting owned in 3bps.

Internet was terrible and couldn't play, will do my best to put some serious volume on in the rest of the month

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Old 03-12-2019, 12:12 AM   #6369
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Lol at a passive fish raising TP for value
100% they do this and if I did check the flop this hand it would be to get heaps of value from worse Jx (among many other hands). He can also just have random spazz hands and you should never fold here. Check this spot in that Pio software you love so much...

Their thought process is often to bluff you off AK/get value from it.

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I don't know him well enough to offer up solutions, but he isn't going to figure it out how a normal person would. If he could, he would have already.
Ya it's called being a donk.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:36 AM   #6370
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How do you think he learns?
In a way he hasn't tried yet.
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:50 AM   #6371
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Haha

Chill out a bit boys, I will be fine

Btw, studied today a lot IP vs utg/mp in 3bp vs monker ranges and 2 more types of ranges I think players call pre in that spot, was quite surprised with what I learned.

I was misplaying that spot a lot, it is clearly the area of my game I'm making more mistakes. So good to come with answers to my questions. That's a spot where I think both players have incentive to go as explo as they can, specially since it's hard to get reads on.

Also I can extrapolate what I learned to CO vs BTN and BB vs SB, both as the preflop caller and aggressor. In my sample I was destroying in SRP and always getting owned in 3bps.

Internet was terrible and couldn't play, will do my best to put some serious volume on in the rest of the month
Btw, I think I should have studied more btn vs bb, thinking a bit that spot is quite rare, but was too pumped up to study it that couldn't hold myself.

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100% they do this and if I did check the flop this hand it would be to get heaps of value from worse Jx (among many other hands). He can also just have random spazz hands and you should never fold here. Check this spot in that Pio software you love so much...

Their thought process is often to bluff you off AK/get value from it.

Ya this.

Ya it's called being a donk.
Maybe you're right, but he was overly passive and liked to fold. Also even with Jx in his range and only 2p/sets I lose a bit by folding, but not that much, if he never has Jx I lose a lot. With QQ+ I'm calling because of the counterfeit equity.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:00 AM   #6372
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In a way he hasn't tried yet.
You guys are making such a big deal about that spot, EV difference was very small, specially when you consider that if the guy starts potting I will be able to fold earlier and lose less money and also if I valuebet 3 streets vs a passive guy that folds too much, he will trap a lot and we will put a lot of money vs his nutted combos. Sure that the value we make will compensate for it and make a bit more than checking, but you guys forget about the times we lose a smaller pot when we're behind after checking.

That spot is so small and the EV difference is so low, just because you bet in there all day it doesn't mean the other option is a total butcher of the hand.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:02 AM   #6373
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How passive was he? What was his fold to delay cbet? Or just fold to cbet? There's no way you had enough hands to have enough confidence to just fold everything that isn't overpair++.

If you are worried about having a "strategy" or being "exploited" you just can't fold this hand it's way too big a deviation/adjustment...and if he is passive the passive than vpip/pfr isn't the stats you wanna look at (though a big gap like that tells me he's a volitile fish not a passive one).

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Also even with Jx in his range and only 2p/sets I lose a bit by folding
Do you even read what you write? I'm staring to just think this an elaborate troll. He doesn't have to be purely value driven here...he can have semibluffs/random airball bluffs.


Just lol at you calling other nits and having this heuristic about the pool...then again you call people huge nits and they 5bet jam 88/73o or whatever...maybe your reads aren't so reliable?
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:07 AM   #6374
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Rapid, the bulk of my post has literally nothing to do with that hand. It has to do with that you put in large volume but can't grow a bankroll or move up stakes. It has to do with your thinking about the game is a mixture of pedantic and inconsistent theorizing.

I wish you luck, but your time would be best spent figuring out a way to get you to your goals. You have a lot of time. Figure it out.
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:16 AM   #6375
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You guys are making such a big deal about that spot, EV difference was very small, specially when you consider that if the guy starts potting I will be able to fold earlier and lose less money and also if I valuebet 3 streets vs a passive guy that folds too much, he will trap a lot and we will put a lot of money vs his nutted combos.
You're only thinking about this one hand. The ev difference of this is actually very big since playing oop vs a l/p is a very common occurrence.

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Sure that the value we make will compensate for it and make a bit more than checking, but you guys forget about the times we lose a smaller pot when we're behind after checking.
Rapid, you couldn't have put in all this work and actually think of that as logical reasoning for checking there. I refuse to believe it. Stop trolling the trolls!

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That spot is so small and the EV difference is so low, just because you bet in there all day it doesn't mean the other option is a total butcher of the hand.
You're just wrong. These guys make many many mistakes by calling too much and you should be capitalizing on them.
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