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Old 03-11-2019, 04:17 AM   #6326
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Nothing wrong with that flop check as long as he plans to x/r.
Against guys who stab a lot sure but I'd prefer to put money in myself than relying on someone who we've read as super passive.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:18 AM   #6327
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I range check OOP in most textures, population overstabs and it's easier to develop a plan with my range. Vs a passive player obv checking this hand is a mistake, but I haven't thought of a lot of good strats vs a 30/11 with a high fold to cbet(55%).



The thing is that SB vs BB even those guys could end up floating me light and owning me if I cbet too much, so I prefer taking a more balanced approach otf and save my exploits for later streets, which I will play better than him and I think that he will be more predictable.

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Old 03-11-2019, 10:42 AM   #6328
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I range check OOP in most textures, population overstabs and it's easier to develop a plan with my range. Vs a passive player obv checking this hand is a mistake, but I haven't thought of a lot of good strats vs a 30/11 with a high fold to cbet(55%).

The thing is that SB vs BB even those guys could end up floating me light and owning me if I cbet too much, so I prefer taking a more balanced approach otf and save my exploits for later streets, which I will play better than him and I think that he will be more predictable.
All I'm reading is a load of buzzwords.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:04 AM   #6329
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This is a prime example of where your mindset and game are right now, you over complicate things with FPS and terms and completely ignore the fundamentals.. this is an insanely easy case of shoveling money into the pot by betting big three streets for value, it's like.. how we make money in this game... not your gay 1/8p cbet either, why you would check there vs this guy is beyond me.
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I range check OOP in most textures, population overstabs and it's easier to develop a plan with my range. Vs a passive player obv checking this hand is a mistake, but I haven't thought of a lot of good strats vs a 30/11 with a high fold to cbet(55%).

The thing is that SB vs BB even those guys could end up floating me light and owning me if I cbet too much, so I prefer taking a more balanced approach otf and save my exploits for later streets, which I will play better than him and I think that he will be more predictable.
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Against guys who stab a lot sure but I'd prefer to put money in myself than relying on someone who we've read as super passive.


All these posts are painful to read.

x/r is obv fine. so is betting. x/c isnt.

Who dafuq cares if someone takes one line over the other some %.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:05 AM   #6330
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H2. Fold is lol. He could easily have fd's or turning weaker pps into bluffs.

H3. awful x vs passive player, but if you do the only thing worse would be folding turn like that.

H4. That wasn't a bluff.

H5. good fold.

H7. fold pre. that's not a winning 3bet especially with ur post flop skills. River is a clear give up, what the hell do you think hes calling turn with to fold? You don't think they float A high enough vs your dog**** 25% cbet sizings? lol. Awful bluff. Deservedly Stacked

H8. Fold pre. Even if he seems to be getting out of line, you should 4bet with better hands.
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Old 03-11-2019, 11:23 AM   #6331
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Against guys who stab a lot sure but I'd prefer to put money in myself than relying on someone who we've read as super passive.
It's a mistake to check, as I said. But that's how I play this spot otf. I have no plan for my bluffs ott/otr vs that guy, I can't try to soulread everyone in all spots, it's overwhelming for my brain.

It's funny that you guys always said "you need to play solid, rapidesh, quit deviating in all hands". Now you guys say that I should just try to soulread the guy all day.

I prefer to have a plan with all my range and lose a bit of EV with some hands, because in the end of the day I will still be +EV vs him, the EV loss won't be insane (OOP we want to check a lot and put less money in the pot in theory anyways).

If I start trying to soulread everyone in very common spots that's when I will lose consistency and that's the only way I can lose at these games, prefer to not risk it.
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Old 03-11-2019, 03:34 PM   #6332
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It's a mistake to check, as I said. But that's how I play this spot otf. I have no plan for my bluffs ott/otr vs that guy, I can't try to soulread everyone in all spots, it's overwhelming for my brain.

It's funny that you guys always said "you need to play solid, rapidesh, quit deviating in all hands". Now you guys say that I should just try to soulread the guy all day.

I prefer to have a plan with all my range and lose a bit of EV with some hands, because in the end of the day I will still be +EV vs him, the EV loss won't be insane (OOP we want to check a lot and put less money in the pot in theory anyways).

If I start trying to soulread everyone in very common spots that's when I will lose consistency and that's the only way I can lose at these games, prefer to not risk it.
Pio bets more than it checks though. Villain being a passive fish makes it even more of a bet. So from both perspectives you're wrong. Betting tptk vs a passive fish would be considered ''playing solid''. Should be one of the easier spots in poker, yet you managed to make it very difficult.

It's funny because if you would've just said ''I was going to c/r'' the hand is arguably fine, I mean bet > check vs passive fish though.


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Old 03-11-2019, 03:54 PM   #6333
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I know pio has a betting range otf, but maybe there's a reason why linus range checks in there vs HS regs. As I said: it is a mistake to not bet that hand vs that guy, but I'm ok at losing some EV for the sake of consistency.

And I was x/r that depending on his sizing
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:26 PM   #6334
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I know pio has a betting range otf, but maybe there's a reason why linus range checks in there vs HS regs. As I said: it is a mistake to not bet that hand vs that guy, but I'm ok at losing some EV for the sake of consistency.
Where did you get that from? Linus cbets 46.2% there in my sample.
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:49 PM   #6335
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I know pio has a betting range otf, but maybe there's a reason why linus range checks in there vs HS regs. As I said: it is a mistake to not bet that hand vs that guy, but I'm ok at losing some EV for the sake of consistency.

And I was x/r that depending on his sizing

Ah yes. Base your strategy on 15 observed HS hands. You are right though when you say youíre consistently losing EV. I wouldnt be okay with that but sure.
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:54 PM   #6336
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You are right though when you say youíre consistently losing EV. I wouldnt be okay with that but sure.
No, it's perfectly ok to burn some money, if it means that you are more consistent because of it.
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:54 PM   #6337
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Where did you get that from? Linus cbets 46.2% there in my sample.
Mma said it in his stream
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:59 PM   #6338
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Mma said it in his stream
Maybe he started doing that recently. The hands that I have on him are all from before June 2018.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:00 PM   #6339
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If only you could pay your bills with consistency instead of the money you constantly burn
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:02 PM   #6340
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If only you could pay your bills with consistency instead of the money you constantly burn
Consistency makes more in the long run. Can't soul read everyone.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:04 PM   #6341
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Because 30/10 passive fish are known for being very tricky and hard to read
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:09 PM   #6342
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Consistency makes more in the long run. Can't soul read everyone.


Who even talks about soul read????? Itís a passive fish, we have tptk, we bet. My god the mental capacity required to play flop correctly here is unreal!

You say you know itís a mistake but then you proceed to explain why you played the hand fine. Do you see how this doesnt make sense?

Edit: not to mention you are also wrong in your explanation of your hand being fine. PIO Favela edition isnít very successful thus far is it?
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:13 PM   #6343
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you shouldn't really strive for balance when you're playing against recreational players rapidesh, they are mostly really face up, make really obvious bluffs and usually don't value bet thin enough so just play your hands in a vacuum when facing a rec
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:13 PM   #6344
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Because 30/10 passive fish are known for being very tricky and hard to read

Well tbf Rapidesh was saving his exploits for later streets. On pokerstars Brazil you get 2 exploits per hand and he decided he was going to activate them on the turn and river.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:26 PM   #6345
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Who even talks about soul read????? Itís a passive fish, we have tptk, we bet. My god the mental capacity required to play flop correctly here is unreal!

You say you know itís a mistake but then you proceed to explain why you played the hand fine. Do you see how this doesnt make sense?

Edit: not to mention you are also wrong in your explanation of your hand being fine. PIO Favela edition isnít very successful thus far is it?
We play poker very differently, I know my game and I complicate things too much already, on every street I think about all my betting/check-calling/check-raising ranges all the time and how would I own a given player. It's very easy for you to say to just deviate OTF when you just play your hand without thinking about your range all the time.

If I started(and I already have done that) trying to own everyone in all spots, I will easily burnout and start spewing like crazy. That's just not how my mind works, I prefer to range check there and be happy and play the rest of my session well than to be confused all day not knowing how my range looks like and if I'm exploiting or spewing vs someone.

Sure that I should start checking weak and valuebetting all day vs that guy, but I have bigger problems to worry about atm. And checking isn't losing that much EV vs betting, because even passive fish still stab somewhat often and will be very honest with their sizings. If you add how loose he is pre, he can easily overstab in there and I will know when my TPTK is good and when it isn't.

Also a lot of people play vs me for a long time, even passive fish adjust sometimes, since there are some of those I have 2k hands on, so they could easily be using a HUD.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:37 PM   #6346
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We play poker very differently, I know my game and I complicate things too much already, on every street I think about all my betting/check-calling/check-raising ranges all the time and how would I own a given player. It's very easy for you to say to just deviate OTF when you just play your hand without thinking about your range all the time.

If I started(and I already have done that) trying to own everyone in all spots, I will easily burnout and start spewing like crazy. That's just not how my mind works, I prefer to range check there and be happy and play the rest of my session well than to be confused all day not knowing how my range looks like and if I'm exploiting or spewing vs someone.

Sure that I should start checking weak and valuebetting all day vs that guy, but I have bigger problems to worry about atm. And checking isn't losing that much EV vs betting, because even passive fish still stab somewhat often and will be very honest with their sizings. If you add how loose he is pre, he can easily overstab in there and I will know when my TPTK is good and when it isn't.

Also a lot of people play vs me for a long time, even passive fish adjust sometimes, since there are some of those I have 2k hands on, so they could easily be using a HUD.

Bla bla bla bla bla.... you talk and talk but no walk.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:38 PM   #6347
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We play poker very differently, I know my game and I complicate things too much already, on every street I think about all my betting/check-calling/check-raising ranges all the time and how would I own a given player. It's very easy for you to say to just deviate OTF when you just play your hand without thinking about your range all the time.



If I started(and I already have done that) trying to own everyone in all spots, I will easily burnout and start spewing like crazy. That's just not how my mind works, I prefer to range check there and be happy and play the rest of my session well than to be confused all day not knowing how my range looks like and if I'm exploiting or spewing vs someone.



Sure that I should start checking weak and valuebetting all day vs that guy, but I have bigger problems to worry about atm. And checking isn't losing that much EV vs betting, because even passive fish still stab somewhat often and will be very honest with their sizings. If you add how loose he is pre, he can easily overstab in there and I will know when my TPTK is good and when it isn't.



Also a lot of people play vs me for a long time, even passive fish adjust sometimes, since there are some of those I have 2k hands on, so they could easily be using a HUD.


What?
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:41 PM   #6348
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What?
Don't worry, he'll outplay them on later streets.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:09 PM   #6349
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Who even talks about soul read????? Itís a passive fish, we have tptk, we bet. My god the mental capacity required to play flop correctly here is unreal!

You say you know itís a mistake but then you proceed to explain why you played the hand fine. Do you see how this doesnt make sense?

Edit: not to mention you are also wrong in your explanation of your hand being fine. PIO Favela edition isnít very successful thus far is it?
pio favela lmaooo
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:14 PM   #6350
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Mma said it in his stream
Most likely talking about a specific texture, but yeah as Xeno said play your hand face up vs fish. If passive fish is overfolding and not raising than just over cbet
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