After watching the hand again and thinking more about it, it was just a very very bad move OTT. He has a ton of sets, AQ, and most of his Kx hands are already 2-pair/KQ which won't fold, so a massive -EV move there lol.

Thx for pointing out guys, I'm a little stubborn when it comes to realizing mistakes.

btw, I came back to my aggressive style, after watching ohheycindy's podcast, I think that there's no much incentive to play as a nit. Specially since I'm more used to be on the aggro side, I think I have to embrace my aggression, even if it means having to get owned sometimes.

That hand(and some other hands like KQ one) happened because it's really easy to get nuts while playing as crazy as I'm playing. I've made a ton of outplays recently, very good ones. But sometimes I end getting owned like that. The thing I have to do here is to identify what was good and what as bad and try too make smart aggressive plays rather than just random spew.

KQcc hand looks like a massive spew, but after considering villain's tendencies, it's just a massive profitable play.

Some cool hands

H1: used to fold always here, even OTT lol

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 178.42 BB
SB: 149.68 BB
BB: 141.34 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 398.56 BB
Hero (CO): 105.26 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 8 6 4
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 7
MP bets 6.48 BB, Hero calls 6.48 BB

River: (32.46 BB, 2 players) 6
MP bets 21.58 BB, Hero calls 21.58 BB




H2: these donk-bets... Good fold, right? If this guy is bluffing I'm getting completely destroyed lol. He is an unknown.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 98.3 BB
SB: 111.34 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 144.98 BB
MP: 101 BB
CO: 92 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, SB calls 3 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 2 players) 6 7 6
SB checks, Hero bets 5.7 BB, SB calls 5.7 BB

Turn: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets 13.84 BB, SB calls 13.84 BB

River: (47.08 BB, 2 players) 3
SB bets 22 BB, fold

SB wins 44.72 BB


H3: used to fold a ton OTT, even OTF

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 101.76 BB
SB: 101.5 BB
BB: 24.18 BB
UTG: 171 BB
MP: 112.06 BB
CO: 100.22 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.4 BB, Hero calls 2.4 BB, SB raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 9.6 BB

Flop: (27.4 BB, 2 players) 4 K K
SB bets 8.5 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Turn: (44.4 BB, 2 players) 7
SB bets 23.5 BB, Hero calls 23.5 BB

River: (91.4 BB, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero checks



H4: used to fold a ton OTT, pre-flop is fine because he was 3-betting a ton. I feel that as soon as I start making good calls like this one, my game will be really good. Hero calling is so tough to do(not saying it was a hero call, but for me even std calls are tough to do lol, such a nit)

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 102.5 BB
BB: 192.9 BB
UTG: 103 BB
MP: 131.24 BB
CO: 103.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB raises to 7.46 BB, Hero calls 5.14 BB

Flop: (15.42 BB, 2 players) T J 4
BB bets 8.2 BB, Hero calls 8.2 BB

Turn: (31.82 BB, 2 players) K
BB bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB

River: (67.82 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero checks

Calling 3bets with j8o is fine these days? Lolz

If he 3bets a ton:
1) dont open trash hands
2) 4bet more value hands, widen your value range
3) F O L D 8Jo!!!

27% 3-bet, he made a small sizing, I'm pretty sure calling with J8o IP is ok vs that, specially if I have edge on post-flop play, which probably is the case.

J9o is pretty std vs that range and sizing, J8o is kinda loose.


and j8o isn't trash lol
I open tighter when there's a 3-bet monkey in the blinds, but most of what I'm cutting off are hands like 45o, 65o, 67o, J2s and stuff like that.

when people 3-bet like 10% SB vs BTN, for a 4x sizing, I fold KTo, 97s, but vs a 27% 3-bet and 3x IP, no way I'm folding lol.

Pry better to 4b than to call

LO, how is >3x small sizing??

J8o is pbb bottom of your opening range on the JXo side pbb(mb J7o) so its completly fine to fold it vs any 3bet

Let Rapi play how he wants, if he thinks its standard/good and he can play it well post its his decision

We are jsut trying to help and give our opinion...

At what sample size is that 27% 3bet?

Hand 0: 34.157% 33.10% 01.05% 185350269 5901209.00 { Js8h }
Hand 1: 65.843% 64.79% 01.05% 362770721 5901209.00 { 55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo }

You shouldn't be opening J8o in the first place and calling the 3b is just wrong.

yes he should. I play 50nlz

No he shouldn't. I've played alot of 50z and his postflop ability isn't good enough to open J8o. No offence to rapidesh. Even if he was like a 5bb+ winner he shouldn't really open that **** without a good reason like a bad reg overfolding alot or a fish in the blind .

mahsjdi do you crush 50z and have moved up? if so then fair enough otherwise im not sure why you are giving this advice. J8o is a fairly standard btn open given how much these environments fold bb.

no way opening j8o is -EV



there's even 23o, 72o, T3o in that sample, and even those hands are +EV opens depending on the lineup.

This is from my 70k hand sample on NL50 in the last 2 months.

but when u open it and then defend vs 3bet it might become -ev

default open it. but if a reg behind is 3betting enough to make you want to defend it vs 3bet just fold it pre.

NL50z is just a nit fest, in the entire 50z pool(from the times I play), there's only one reg that I truly respect and try to play a sudo-gto style vs him. Vs everyone else in the pool, I'm trying to exploit them pretty hard in their weaknesses. OFC it isn't just black and white, there are some good regs in the middle that give me a tough time, like trojanovich.

Probably 90% of the pool checks behind with AK on A2276 after making 2 barrels. It's just bad, I've seen people even not valuebetting flushes because they were afraid of the paired board.

the problem with 4-betting is that if villain starts to 5-bet us, then we're bleeding money, and someone with 27% 3-bet is capable of 5-betting a ton lol.

I prefer to 4-bet some low Ax and 99+, AK+, maybe AQ if he is 5-betting a ton.

To be honest you should not even open J8o if there is a 27% 3bet player behind, and if you do you should be willing to put it all in.

Bankroll is at $1k

I'm just getting destroyed by variance, I feel I'm beating NL50z by a good margin, sadly the results aren't coming.

Some hands from yesterday

H1: guy plays the hand terribly and get rewarded lol. checked the turn because it's a good card for villain's range and I expect him to bet a ton on that card.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
Hero (SB): 101.04 BB
BB: 80 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB
MP: 104.1 BB
CO: 229.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

UTG raises to 2.74 BB, fold, CO calls 2.74 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.24 BB, fold

Flop: (9.22 BB, 3 players) Q 8 2
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks

Turn: (9.22 BB, 3 players) K
Hero checks, UTG bets 6 BB, CO calls 6 BB, Hero raises to 18 BB, UTG calls 12 BB, fold

River: (51.22 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 80.3 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 80.3 BB




H2: vs brazillian reg that made a ton of money in tournaments, he used to play way higher some time ago. Since I know that he is probably a very good player, decided to flat OTT and let him bluff the river if he missed. Should I fold OTR for that 33%?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 107.28 BB
SB: 100.5 BB
BB: 134.7 BB
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 76.8 BB
CO: 110.46 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 9

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 4 7 Q
BB checks, Hero bets 1.6 BB, BB calls 1.6 BB

Turn: (8.34 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets 10 BB, BB raises to 24 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

River: (56.34 BB, 2 players) J
BB bets 18.2 BB, Hero calls 18.2 BB



h3: thought villain was a big fish, so I raised bigger thinking he would call with straights. Should I raise smaller and fold vs a jam? In the end he is probably one of those weaktight people who just overfold.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101 BB
SB: 95.7 BB
Hero (BB): 103.5 BB
UTG: 122.76 BB
MP: 135.44 BB
CO: 362.64 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q 3

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 4 players) 2 A 4
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: (8 BB, 4 players) 7
SB checks, Hero bets 5.7 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 5.7 BB

River: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 3
SB bets 12.3 BB, Hero raises to 55.34 BB, SB raises to 88 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 32.66 BB



H4: flop is ok, turn is pretty bad(but it was an exploitative move), OTR I expect him to have Jx/QQ that could fold, he probably folds all his TT OTT, std jam?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 110.44 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 136.62 BB
Hero (MP): 117.46 BB
CO: 110 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

UTG raises to 2.42 BB, Hero raises to 7 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 4.58 BB

Flop: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 6 J 4
UTG checks, Hero bets 4.86 BB, UTG calls 4.86 BB

Turn: (25.22 BB, 2 players) 6
UTG checks, Hero bets 17.98 BB, UTG calls 17.98 BB

River: (61.18 BB, 2 players) 7
UTG checks, Hero bets 87.62 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 87.62 BB



H5: had only 7 hands on villain, those which he 3-bet 2/3 and cbet flop 100(3/3) and turn 100(2/2) Sample is low, and sure it's a high variance play, but is it fine? Got owned in the end, but seeing he has QQ is probably a good sign, since he is probably button clicking pretty hard lol.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 113.2 BB
SB: 151.3 BB
BB: 592.78 BB
UTG: 200.06 BB
MP: 112.22 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BB raises to 11.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) K 9 J
BB bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

Turn: (54.5 BB, 2 players) 8
BB bets 27 BB, Hero calls 27 BB

River: (108.5 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 53 BB, Hero calls 53 BB



H6: fine vs probable fish?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 115.46 BB
SB: 137.12 BB
BB: 637.9 BB
UTG: 102.96 BB
MP: 58.9 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB raises to 3.64 BB, Hero calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (7.78 BB, 2 players) Q T 9
BB checks, Hero bets 4.88 BB, BB calls 4.88 BB

Turn: (17.54 BB, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (17.54 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB




H7: =(

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 118.6 BB
Hero (SB): 105.96 BB
BB: 175.34 BB
UTG: 101.28 BB
MP: 175.92 BB
CO: 203.86 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BB raises to 21 BB, fold, Hero calls 12 BB

Flop: (44.2 BB, 2 players) K J Q
Hero checks, BB bets 13.86 BB, Hero raises to 84.96 BB and is all-in, BB calls 71.1 BB

Turn: (214.12 BB, 2 players) J

River: (214.12 BB, 2 players) T
Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (214.12 BB, 2 players) 8

River #2: (214.12 BB, 2 players) 3

Think I beat 50z for 4 or 5bb not sure. But you don't have to crush a stake to give advice bud.

Dude 32o, 72o and T3o are turbo folds.


Imo opening J8o isn't good but opening J8o when you have a guy that 3bets alot is just weird and calling the 3b is just bad.

H1: Guy played it fine, not sure what your complaining about.
H2: Would bet flop bigger. Dont think 1/3 range is so good on monotone and this hand specifically. deff folding river. Never expect him to be bluffing turn without heart, esp when we over-bet.
H3: think I would raise river smaller and fold to the 3-bet. Dont see us ever getting bluffed or raised with worse. Unless you have a solid whale read though then it's fine.
H4: Meh. No idea if this is + EV of not, but I tend to avoid this kinda high variance spots as unnecessary.
H5: Seems terrible TBH. Would have to be a huge confirmed whale for me to want to call down here on this run-out. (and even then, he could be doing things like this lol...)
H6: Looks good to me.
H7: Hmm tricky one. Not sure about jamming flop. This board hits us so hand and its so hard for us to have a bluff here he may just fold AK here, IDK. If he does its a disaster for us. Think I would just end up calling flop.


BTW personally I think J8o is a fist pump open normally on the BU. People are nits

u play like A trained monkey, sorry.
If you belive he 5 bet ur 4 bet alot, wtf does
It tell u? J8 easy 4 bet Bluff...easy fold to 3 bet.
Vs this player.U SEE? U got lucky this time, j high flop And no clue
What ur doing. Stubborn also to many good
Advice itt. If u have played poker for 5years
Pluss and still stuck in micros u have 2 options.
Do something about it or slow down and quit/play for fun.
In your head u are this awsome player. Waste of time.
You wanna end up working in A factory untill ur 80 years
Old? Then they rip u off for ur fkn pention?
U gotta change ur **** now!!
Time to hit the lab.

What the hell does this even say?

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