I actually have to agree with mirage here.

JJ seems like a fold to me. Most people underbluff that line and you were 3-way vs 2 players that were mostly set mining preflop.

About the 67s hand... I understand the theory behind calling the 4b, but the claims that folding it is absurd are just wrong imo. Even if the call is +EV, it is only slightly. It can be burning money though, if your opponent isn't bluffing enough or is 4betting AK bigger. It's very opponent dependent.

Haha xeno

Two people agreeing with him would have to be the greatest thing that's happened to Mirage in poker.

Lmao

Just because the guy played it like a set it doesn't mean he has a set always. If he were a fish and came with the minraise sure, I could fold. I've seen regs bluff too much by jamming turn in there, some guys even jamming 88-JJ while tilted/not knowing wtf to do. Also they probably raise flop with other sets, so OTT he probably has 77 only for value. And if he has 77 he could have 66 going for the jam because he expects me to barrel my Ax a lot OTT.

In my strategy I was folding half of my overpairs( all club combos), so villain will make less if he is underbluffing and I will continue only with the highest EV combos for me.

Villain was a somewhat nitty reg but he wasn't atrocious, I'm just not folding overpairs because "the guy played like a set". I play lots of hands like a set and ppl still call me down and they're right. I see all day people trying to bluff me in spots like that because they think I'm out of line, just can't fold good combos anymore in spots they can have bluffs.

And with 76s if the guy has AA/KK always I think I still have odds to call pre, his 4-bet was almost minraise and 76s has 23% equity vs those. I'm not sure though, but if he has all AK I'm pretty sure I can call.

Lol no good reg is raising sets on that flop. They can also have qq , kk, aa to trap whales like you.

The reason why I got killed at 200z/100z was because I was always predictable with my aggro plays + overfolds, just see tigtgy's note on me: he was overbluffing and checking strong. I just won't fold range anymore when facing aggression. If villain only jams sets, good for him when he has them, but my semibluffs will overrealize and my thin valuebets will make more OTR vs a call OTT. I just can't rely on my reads always and be afraid of getting stacked. Gotta call and lose in those spots and be fine with it.

It's not like I'm a massive station for the sake of it: I'm still folding vs underbluffs (like in that KK hand and when I folded a set getting 5 to 1 otr). I'm still making some gto calls that are probably folds in practice (76s ott), but it was a mistake, everybody makes those. I prefer losing while making a less predictable play with gto to back me up than to always be second-guessing mysf and being predictable while rewarding villains when they tilt vs me allowing them to print vs me by playing poorly.

100z people have a very weak mental game and most regs can play like whales, just see gazzyb/manny12, both play ok but at least once in a session they make am horrendous whale move because of a "sick read" they had.

That's the way I play poker right now.

how is 67s a "gto call" when in the gto world it defends at a low freq vs 4bet vs a gto 4bet range, making it a slightly -ev/breakeven defend, when in practice the 4bet range is usually much tighter than gto, just making it losing, also with the high 100z rake and likelihood of many more mistakes being made by OOP then by IP , don't see how you expect to show a profit defending this

also highly doubt JJ call after cbet MW, is even close to being a +EV call here, but for that one i can't really be absolutely sure..

lol stfu, how are you so clueless

I mean did you look at the sizings martim, 11bb -> 23bb, GTO defends 11bb -> 25bb so I can't see how folding to 23bb would be a thing unless villain is literally never 4bet bluffing, and even then it's probably close

Yeah lol.

Tbf I think it's good practice to play range as a call otf given population is too aggro ott specially on that texture, but it doesn't mean people do that.

ummm I don't think you should say that right after you agree with that persons hand analysis lul. I guess I need to go back in the lab and learn to flat ATo in sb vs bu like you do in the 'toughest games on the net'. At least you seem smarter than Xeno though. So far it looks like the only person who agrees with him is rapidfish. lulz.

mirage, you don't beat microstakes on ignition

I didn't think it was possible for anybody with an IQ above 80

The one who insults the other person the most is the one who wins the argument.
~Albert Einstein

We all know that this is how it works.

Actually ive beaten it for 4bb even after my biggest down swing ever and Im currently back on 50z. At least try and make your insults legitimate like I do. I at least give you credit for persistence Xeno, I've lost count of the number of times I've KO'ed you on here.

i mean surely it cant be close if hes never 4bet bluffing , on a spot that we're gonna under realize, OOP in a large pot , and if he has a bluffing range, with this rake and given the fact that we're calling AIs with 3rd pair vs a really strong range, seems like we already make enough mistakes for the next 10 times we could call this to keep it breakeven

i think its a spot we can defend at a low frequency , knowing villain has a bluffing range and having actual decent reads on the opponent in lower rake envoirnments, otherwise i don't see how we're not gonna end up bleeding money

i agree with everything you said up to that point, but what you said after was absolutely ridiculous

also not really sure what you are on about the ATo flat SBvsBTN, seems ok to me..

given we gotta call 12bb into 34.5bb it's pretty hard not to have correct odds even against a nutted range, it's obviously not a printing money spot but it certainly is very far from a punt

preflop is not a punt no

Getting correct odds doesn't make a hand breakeven or +EV. Being OOP you will massively underrealize equity, get bluffed off the best hand a lot, etc. Not to mention rake is garbage at the micros.

A flat here is beyond terrible.

it's not. especially if you're playing on the "toughest games on the net" which I don't think whoever Mirage is referencing is.

well I mean if flat pre flop is +EV and fold pre flop is 0EV then why is folding that much better than calling?

Sure let’s fold ato in sb vs single btn openraise

He was probably advocating a 3b or fold strategy from the SB (which I don't think would be GTO btw). He says we should be 3betting ATo 100%.