i couldn't make it past h1 sorry rapid

lol same, I threw my head back in disgust reading H1.

My call in there was based on these things:

1- villain was very tight pre, so he should have close to 0 6x in his range (very likely)
2- he will bluff all his bluff candidates (very likely)
3- he wouldn't valuebet overpairs/sets/2p for that sizing (very likely but I was wrong)
4-villain wasn't cbetting much and was obv a weak player, so I thought he wouldn't consider his backdoors as much as he should (probably a more ambitious assumption)
5-99 unblocking the clubs and blocking the 9s is a strong combo to call

I was folding my bad blockers in there like all 9c9x, TcTx, JcJx and calling with some 9x that he beats, but I'm pretty sure more than 50% of my continuing range beats him.

Vs someone with a more balanced range pre I would fold and will fold vs this guy in the future since now I know he is quite mergy otr, but even after that I like my call.

how can a whale be very tight pre? lul

For once I actually agree with rapid here. In H1, imo CO went way too thin otr. I'd probably level myself into calling more than I should in that spot. He shouldn't have AA there unless he's a fish, or he thinks you're a fish.

So you don't have any talent. That's not a bad thing - most people don't have any obvious talent at anything. But why don't you just admit you don't have any talent, rather than pretend you do?

As for the hands:

H1: fold river. it's ambitious to think he would bluff and you beat none of his value bets. "nit whale" makes no sense.

H3: call flop and decide on turn. can't fold to such a small raise with TPTK and a draw to the nuts.

probably some mistakes in the other hands, haven't looked through them properly.

i don't think CO went too thin. his sizing is too big, but when folding ranges are inelastic why not?

What's your vpip? Haha!

Lol, his bet is too thin specially for that sizing and not blocking spades, and my calling range is somewhat inelastic because he has few value combos in there, also most of my calling range beats 1p hands.

I'm calling only 1/3 of my 99-JJ otr, will have flushes, straights and 2p.

^Lol rapi, saying you call 1/3 of the time OTR vs fish with a certain hand is next level of overanalyzing

I call 9s9d and 9s9h, fold all 9c9x and fold 9h9d
What's wrong with playing my blockers vs fish? I'm not omniscient, so if I'm wrong I will be less wrong by using that strat, if he is overbluffing I will win less, but if I sum the best case scenario with the worst, my approach will yield a higher EV than overfolding or overcalling.

Gto is weak vs fish, but some aspects of gto strats overrealize vs them and blockers do it. I'm a very reasonable player and you will rarely see me doing many ******ed plays "because I had a read". I've seen people call me down with their lowest 5% bluffcatchers because they thought I was overbluffing vs a line that wad totally std by me. Imo it's very bad poker. What make us different from the fish is that regs rely on logic and discipline in their plays, if you start playing purely by impulse it will be your doom (even if you're right), because you will lose consistency.

By following my blockers otr I will:
-keep the highest EV calls in my range
-deny him the option to exploit me

Just see how big of a disaster it would have been if I were calling 9c9x in there. You could say I'm FOS and I'm not folding 9c in there, but just see my calldowns I posted here and you will find out that almost all my calls happened with decent blockers.

Obv vs bull**** lines where people are always full of **** you should go nuts, but villain's line was legit up until the river

Because he doesn't block nearly enough. Even rapid doesn't call enough in these marginal spots to justify betting there. Rapid happened to have one of the best combos to call the bet off in that spot.

I should clarify that I still think it's a fold. But I can see why he called.

he doesn't block nearly enough?

blockers are irrelevent when you're value betting

lel. This is why I question the stakes you claim to play
5knl was it? Let me ask you this: would you rather go for thin value when villain has more or fewer value combos himself?

Honest question, do you deliberately post misinformation when you talk strat to rapid? If I were rapid any strat from you should be taken with a grain of salt, at best. He's been stuck in the micros since Christ died and shockingly the one giving him the most "advice" is you. Coincidence or correlation?

Why do you post like 5 million hands at once? It makes me skip over all of them usually. But I guess that means I just like to read all the responses in the thread idk

I must have been really lucky to win this much money playing poker if lower stakes players are that much better, I'm sorry I will stop giving bad advices

"Blockers are irrelevant when value letting" is terrible advice. Being passive aggressive won't help you. It's strange. Either you grind 10z pretending to be a high stakes player, or you do indeed play high stakes and are just ****ing with poor rapids mind. Where do you play online?

I disagree, OOP blockers dictate which combos should check more and those that want to bet, as an example on K2588sshr pio likes checking KQdd/cc and valuebetting KQss

I think IP blockers should be way less impactful when valuebetting, but maybe in some very close spots some blockers could give the hand a slightly bigger EV, enough to justify valuebetting some combos for 1 extra bb over checking back other combos.

Relax rapid, he's messing with you

don't you have anything better to do with your life? You say I'm wasting my life at poker but you waste yours here trolling which is even worse EV than bodgik's hourly

Played very poorly today, but got rewarded with rungood lol. Roll is at $3.9k, rebuilding the roll, boys!

Some hands

H1: sick spot, meh

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 376.34 BB
SB: 131.77 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 98.84 BB
MP: 101.8 BB
CO: 112.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, CO raises to 2 BB, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 3 players) 8 T 6
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (6 BB, 3 players) J
SB bets 5.7 BB, Hero raises to 18.53 BB, fold, SB calls 12.83 BB

River: (43.06 BB, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets 30.68 BB, SB raises to 83 BB, fold

SB wins 101.92 BB


H2: vs 2 nits

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 110.43 BB
SB: 317.15 BB
BB: 152.26 BB
UTG: 253.35 BB
Hero (MP): 115.36 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BTN raises to 7.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 20.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 13 BB

Flop: (43.82 BB, 2 players) 3 Q T
BB bets 13.74 BB, BTN calls 13.74 BB

Turn: (71.3 BB, 2 players) 8
BB bets 118.02 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 76.19 BB and is all-in

River: (223.68 BB, 2 players) 2



H3: vs whale, when he started tanking the river I got so afraid haha, but I like my play

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 145.89 BB
SB: 99 BB
BB: 109.89 BB
UTG: 249.87 BB
MP: 101.64 BB
CO: 104.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 7 7 7
BB checks, Hero bets 1.27 BB, BB calls 1.27 BB

Turn: (7.68 BB, 2 players) 8
BB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, BB calls 8 BB

River: (23.68 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 134.3 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 22.5 BB


H4: vs massive whale, I like this call

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB
SB: 54.3 BB
BB: 215.23 BB
UTG: 234.49 BB
MP: 54.37 BB
Hero (CO): 155.41 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, fold

Flop: (5.64 BB, 2 players) K 5 9
SB bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (15.64 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

River: (45.64 BB, 2 players) 6
SB bets 31.98 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 31.98 BB



H5: vs whale, this one is weird, but I like, he was 3-betting JTo and I think he is always bluffing the river with his Ax

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 80.4 BB
SB: 73.37 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB
Hero (MP): 101.5 BB
CO: 103.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, SB raises to 8.64 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.32 BB

Flop: (18.28 BB, 2 players) 8 6 2
SB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Turn: (34.28 BB, 2 players) 4
SB bets 19 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

River: (72.28 BB, 2 players) 5
SB bets 37.73 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 37.73 BB




H6: good fold?

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 62.84 BB
SB: 251.32 BB
BB: 156.84 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB
MP: 285.58 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 5 7 4
BB checks, Hero bets 2.54 BB, BB calls 2.54 BB

Turn: (10.22 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets 7.28 BB, BB calls 7.28 BB

River: (24.78 BB, 2 players) 4
BB bets 14 BB, fold

BB wins 23.54 BB


H7: vaaaaaaamo!

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 47.59 BB
SB: 182.42 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 91.41 BB
MP: 191.32 BB
CO: 122.56 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 7

fold, MP raises to 2.69 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.69 BB

Flop: (5.88 BB, 2 players) 4 4 8
Hero checks, MP bets 3.47 BB, Hero calls 3.47 BB

Turn: (12.82 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, MP bets 7.55 BB, Hero calls 7.55 BB

River: (27.92 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, MP bets 12.73 BB, Hero raises to 86.29 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 50.88 BB


H8: so ******ed, haha, 100z has way more whales than 50z

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 88.77 BB
Hero (SB): 100.71 BB
BB: 147.68 BB
UTG: 361.23 BB
MP: 335.79 BB
CO: 255.58 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, BTN calls 8 BB

Flop: (23 BB, 2 players) 4 J 6
Hero bets 5.68 BB, BTN calls 5.68 BB

Turn: (34.36 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 18 BB, Hero raises to 84.03 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 54.09 BB and is all-in

River: (178.54 BB, 2 players) 5
Players agreed to run it twice.

River #2: (178.54 BB, 2 players) A




H9: nut worst A high bluffcatcher possible in this spot, but villain had some serious timing tells going on lol

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 131.28 BB
SB: 161.49 BB
Hero (BB): 103.74 BB
UTG: 110.22 BB
MP: 67.29 BB
CO: 120.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, BTN calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 6 6 9
Hero bets 10.13 BB, BTN calls 10.13 BB

Turn: (40.76 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 27.1 BB, Hero calls 27.1 BB

River: (94.96 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 84.05 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 56.51 BB and is all-in




vaaaaaaaaaaaaamo!

most of these "whales" are showing up with nutted hands. are you sure they are whales?

From time to time they will, can't do much but calling and losing when they have it. Just see their stack sizes pre and the guy donking pot

How am I trolling? You were given terrible advice and I pointed that out. If anything you should be thanking me.

Lol, xenoblade is one of the best strat posters on 2p2, I disagree with his point in there but that's the point of discussion: to see different points of view, reflect and learn.

And I'm pretty sure he said blockers when valuebetting were irrelevant IP OTR, obv oop we have to use them to balance our x range.

lol have u ever even seen a graph of his? his strat has been so good hes coached you from 200z to 50z.