What about H5? Do you think fish is more likely to be legit with a donk jam or with the jam after we check?

Agreed and I just fold H5 also.

Id fold both, but im not that good at understanding fish plays.

Quite interesting to read that, I thought I was the only reg with 0 clue on what fish are doing but min-raises ott followed by pot otr and obvious sizing tells like betting 50% ott with midpair.

You might just be the only player in poker who has no clue how to beat fish, but can exploit regs easily. Strange how you haven't moved up so quickly, given that the majority of seats at online poker tables are filled by regs. If you want reg-filled games, they are very easy to find.

Looool haha xd xd

You know that if you breakeven vs a reg it's a victory, right? Otb and linus would be -EV players if they played in a game with 10bb/100 rake vs the best 500z regs, rake has a huge impact on how games are beatable and since the edges between regs are very small, it often won't be enough to cover the rake.

And my skills are now way better vs fish, feeling really confident that I'm destroying fish/whales for the first time in my life. Before that all I did vs them was to play tight and hope they paid me off with worse enough. Now I'm stationing them down and checking to induce.

thats great, it only took you 5 years to work it out but why is your br still going backwards?

So your definition of exploiting regs is breaking even vs them? Interesting definition. Exploiting them so hard, you're not making any money.

Also agree with mirage, everyone figured out rake makes reg vs reg battles -EV for years now. Are you saying you only just figured this out?

You have to go backwards



I learned how to play well vs fish only recently, also there's variance and I still haven't perfected my plays, still lost in a lot of spots like on h3 and h5, but I have a good guideline to follow now. On top of that, by not being afraid of calling and losing it has improved a lot my mental game, suffering way less guilt/pressure.

I pay 8bb/100 in rake, won't you think it would be a big victory for me if I managed to breakeven (aka: beating a reg by 8bb/100 before rake)? Specially vs someone who actually tries to beat the games?

And I knew reg wars were -EV, but I was in a totally different side of that spot: I was probably playing well vs regs, but not taking the maximum off fish. While most players don't give a **** about how they play vs regs and only focus on beating the fish while avoiding conflicts vs regs as much as possible.

Playing well vs fish shouldn't even be a valid concept.

Playing good poker and minimizing mistakes is what you should aim for. "owning the fish" just comes naturally with good, logic and sound poker.

Not exactly, there are some spots that playing a solid theoretical strategy won't make as much vs fish and will make way less than an alternative strategy that's both intuitive and practical.

As an example, in a lot of spots you're incentivized to have bluffs and value in your range, because that's how poker works: even though villain is folding enough to make your bluffs +EV, you have to keep valuebetting because that's how they will end up making the most money.

Now there are spots where bluffing is clearly -EV if the fish is calling all bluffcatchers, and a lot of them do it. So we should just bluff 0 vs that. That's not good logic and sound poker, because we rely on an external factor (of us being right) so we can make money.

That's obviously the best way to make the most money vs that villain, but we got into that solution by thinking about villains' tendencies and developing counterstrategies vs that, not by playing "good logic and sound poker".

Poker is a game where a weak strategy could make more than a strong one, so I like knowing when and why I should opt for a weak strategy rather than a strong one. Obv for you, a strong strategy is what makes the most money, which is right at a certain point of view, but it comes with a big risk. I prefer not to dismiss one strong strategy as bad just because it makes less money and accept a weak strategy as good because it makes more, because depending on whom I face in the future, that strong strategy dismissed as bad could be helpful.

There's really no need to involve much fancy language in crushing recs. They have a reasonable and an unreasonable part of their range (how large on this street?) and some stickiness/aggression tendencies with said parts. How important is protection with my hand in relation to the upsides of giving rope? Does he care if I bet 2/3 or stuff in his face? That's it. Stop or go accordingly.

Fish are easy to read like an open book. When I'm in a pot w/ a fish, I feel like I'm at a candy store.

Vs decent reg, I feel like I'm playing a hard Sudoku, where obvious and expected answers fail.

Played today, made some mistakes, running above EV, but not sure if unlucky on non-EV spots or if my strat is bad.

Some hands

H1: vs unknown fish with passive stats so far, hate my blockers OTT, probably a bad fold

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB
SB: 171.96 BB
BB: 50 BB
Hero (UTG): 248.76 BB
MP: 167.38 BB
CO: 107.06 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, MP raises to 8.46 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 6.14 BB

Flop: (18.42 BB, 2 players) 6 T 4
Hero checks, MP bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

Turn: (36.42 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, MP bets 17 BB, fold

MP wins 34.6 BB


H2: vs big whale

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 133.06 BB
SB: 140.74 BB
BB: 233.48 BB
UTG: 204.52 BB
MP: 193.12 BB
Hero (CO): 110.24 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 A

UTG raises to 2.04 BB, MP calls 2.04 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, BTN raises to 23 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 110.24 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 51.58 BB


H3: so annoying to see that hand OTR, that's the spot where fish can actually have FHs, villain was an unknown, but I will never fold this, I think he could be doing that with a weaker flush, but with Q high flushes I think I have to fold. The whole point of checking back OTT is to get on rivers like this with flushes and protect villain from treating any flush as the nuts vs my AK/AQ

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 102 BB
SB: 128.7 BB
BB: 93.52 BB
UTG: 108.24 BB
MP: 118.66 BB
Hero (CO): 111.94 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T

fold, MP raises to 2.04 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 3.96 BB

Flop: (13.5 BB, 2 players) 3 6 A
MP checks, Hero bets 3.34 BB, MP calls 3.34 BB

Turn: (20.18 BB, 2 players) 2
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (20.18 BB, 2 players) A
MP checks, Hero bets 14.38 BB, MP raises to 109.32 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 88.22 BB and is all-in



H4:vs very aggro reg, explo call by me OTR, tbh I don't mind the call, since villain will be very narrow with his value in that spot and if he has bluffs, he will have a hard time making them at the right frequency given the pot odds. What I hate the most is my bet OTR, it's bad, I block 9Ts that will call, should just check and protect my range vs thin valuebets with 9x and get some money vs AQ

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 110.66 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 174.46 BB
UTG: 84.46 BB
MP: 343.96 BB
CO: 161.96 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, MP raises to 2.42 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, MP calls 7.58 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 5 9 7
Hero bets 10.38 BB, MP calls 10.38 BB

Turn: (41.76 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, MP checks

River: (41.76 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 20.64 BB, MP raises to 323.58 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 58.98 BB and is all-in



H5: vs whale, I like the calldown, sad to lose vs that

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 121.9 BB
SB: 99.56 BB
Hero (BB): 158.5 BB
UTG: 101.5 BB
MP: 113.74 BB
CO: 93.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 9

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (2.5 BB, 2 players) 3 5 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

River: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 18 BB, Hero calls 18 BB



Btw, my month's graph is funny lol. Breakeven city, all sessions have been breakevenish/small wining/small losing

Btw, after thinking a bit, old rapidesh would have folded KTdd, TT and 29hh.

Maybe I'm just calling too much

tbf i dotn see any difference between 2 rapideshs. it's all same for years

Phht! In only a few poasts it is obvious Rapidesh 2.0 is different.

Honestly, idk what is the point of such negativity.

@Rapid, relax a little and push it. What I mean is find the edge, and go over by just a little. Learn where that fine line is by stepping over. Go down a stake if the money really matters (it should not).

STOP OBSESSING ABOUT RESULTS.

JJ - nothing to say about...
A2s - i would recommend u to not shove pre, but thats how we win.
KT - just bet bet shove u can x worse flushes imo
TT - i dont like the bet and sizing i like the block or x.

You keep saying how tough these games are, but almost every hand that you post is vs a huge fish, whale or a nit.
Also, you're making way too many huge blunders in those hands.

H2: Plays like this can be leaking a lot of money. You should check your PT4 for your bluff WR in these spots.
H3: That turn check was horrible, especially if the opponent was a fish. What do you excpect he will do? Overbet jam river with a low flush? Bluff check jam river? Even if that's the case, you probably stack those hands even when you barell the turn.
H5: Fold flop, fold turn, fold river man.

How can you fold H1. lulz. I stopped looking after that.

OP said he's passive. If he also has like 3% 3bet MP v UTG it's probably not bad / disciplined fold?

Ok I couldn't resist. H3 is lol awful. From the 1/4 cbet to the horrible turn check when you turn the nuts in a small pot especially vs a fish. Even the biggest fish know they should bet that turn. Your reasoning for checking turn is obviously ******ed and misapplied in that spot where you should be building a pot. To cap it off you get totally owned on the river. I thought you boasted you know how to play against fish now? Deservedly stacked.

I thought your a PIO user now, yet your still doing stupid stuff like this. You might actually be worse than before.

Who cares if hes passive it was half pot bet. Its clear rapids villains reads are usually lol awful, as the alleged nits often are 3betting him with total trash.

Rapidy is my friend, but God do your posts make me laugh. You're my hero. If I could, I'd install rapidy and you in a dome and observe your behavior and interactions.

<3 mirage01

Nothing wrong with the cbet size.