Seriously, IDK. It would be overbluffing constantly, and bluffcatching too often vs people who aren't bluffing. Would it's strat in other spots make up for that? That's impossible to say without creating a "PIO bot" and letting it play at least several million hands vs micro players on various sites. Someone (that's not me) should make this and do it. FWIW, I don't think running bots is immoral in any way, just "against the rules". It's like being the "banker" in Monopoly; everyone knows he's skimming money constantly and that it's against the rules but everyone lets it happen because why not.
all I'm gonna say is there's a reason every top player is studying with PIO
Not necessarially, sure that if villain is tight preflop he will end up having a stronger range otf and folding less because of that, but on that texture he needs to defend a lot for me to not profit from cbetting any2. Most people are lazy/want to stay out of trouble and will just fold 66 otf
Giving you some credit for this one, very elaborate troll :thumbsup:
Btw, after I started calling more every session feels way more spewy and -EV than before, yet they end up breakeven/winning. It looks like folding too much was my biggest mistake and that it was killing my winrate. I basically had no system to punish overbluffs other than rebluffs or some very early folding that narrowed my range so much on later streets that ended up making my range overfold otf but massively defend turn/river, which took some of the EV from overbluffers but not as much as they should lose if I defended properly
This is a good insight. It will take practice, and there will be days when ‘they always have it’ and days when they are ridiculous maniacal overbluffers. In the end, you will have more profit, learning where to draw the line.
On the turn, if you make a solid call, and the river is pretty harmless, you almost always should call down the river as well. Those streets are closely related, and if a villain bluffs you on the turn, they will usually fire river also. This only slows down when they learn you are not an easy target.
It absolutely looks and feels weird. After playing too tight for so long, it is weird. Being unafraid to make a correct losing call is part of a new horizon in poker.
This is a good insight. It will take practice, and there will be days when ‘they always have it’ and days when they are ridiculous maniacal overbluffers. In the end, you will have more profit, learning where to draw the line.
On the turn, if you make a solid call, and the river is pretty harmless, you almost always should call down the river as well. Those streets are closely related, and if a villain bluffs you on the turn, they will usually fire river also. This only slows down when they learn you are not an easy target.
It absolutely looks and feels weird. After playing too tight for so long, it is weird. Being unafraid to make a correct losing call is part of a new horizon in poker.
Big step up.
Vammmooooo!
I agree with everything but the always call river part when playing vs good players that will have give ups rather than blindly bluffing if they get to the river with air. I think like that because I used to be that guy, I never gave up a bluff OTR.
Gotta fold the bad blockers, as an example Ax8d on A67dhc7dJh bb vs btn vs a reg, if we're calling all our Ax we will give villain a very low incentive to bluff and we block a lot of bluff potentials. Obv vs whales/regfish we should always call. The thing here is that I was folding even Ax with good blockers and tankimg with AQ vs everyone, which is terrible.
But what you said makes a lot of sense given how humans play: humans barrel too much with FDs ott, making their range heavily imbalanced on flush rivers (few bluff potentials) and heavily imbalanced on bricks (too many bluff candidates), which makes them overbluff unless they're giving up A LOT on bricks.
Don’t forget that holding an ace kicker (even a flush draw blocker) significantly blocks the checkback range of an IP villain, leaving them more polar and slightly more bluffy.
fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN raises to 20 BB, Hero raises to 118.76 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 40.5 BB
H2: Vs whale, obv turn should be a fold vs anyone normal. So good to finally own these guys!! OTR this combo is one of the best bluffcatchers, the funny thing is that when you call turn light you can show up OTR with some very good blockers to calldown on some runnouts.
River:(77.74 BB, 2 players) T Hero bets 122.32 BB and is all-in, fold
Hero wins 73.86 BB
H5: Similar spot to H3, but guy is deeper, both are fish, do you guys think I should fold this and call the other one? I thought he had a lot of draws with that line and I blocked AQ, thought he would 4-bet AK pre
CO shows A K (One Pair, Aces)
Board #1 (Pre 43%, Flop 91%, Turn 0%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 48%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)
Hero wins 106.12 BB CO wins 106.12 BB
H6: I feel like I should valuebet the river in this one, meh, it's so obvious,such a misplay. Which sizing should I use? $10? Since it's MW, it's very hard for me to want to bluff jam in there, because I need to win vs the other player too. So I would need to turn a hand into a bluff that would be good enough to beat the other guy so I could make the RFI fold his better hands and win the pot.
Hero shows A 7 (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 18%, Turn 16%) SB mucks K K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 67%, Flop 82%, Turn 84%) Hero wins 153.92 BB
H8: Didn't see that OTR any 9x was a FH, lol, such a bad play. It's so bad to lose like this, but I would probably have x/c OTR because his sizing was indicative of having a lot of draws
fold, fold, CO raises to 2.54 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.54 BB
Flop:(5.58 BB, 2 players) T Q 6 Hero checks, CO bets 2.8 BB, Hero raises to 10.98 BB, CO calls 8.18 BB
Turn:(27.54 BB, 2 players) 9 Hero bets 19.62 BB, CO raises to 39.24 BB, Hero calls 19.62 BB
River:(106.02 BB, 2 players) K Hero checks, CO bets 19 BB, fold
CO wins 102.02 BB
H10: meh, I think I should call this. At the time of the hand I thought my blockers were bad because I blocked bluffs, but they're probably good, because I think villain isn't floating other AQ OTF other than AQcc/AcQx, AxQc and AQss. So I blocked a lot of value too.
River:(81.44 BB, 2 players) 2 Hero checks, UTG bets 45.6 BB and is all-in, fold
UTG wins 77.44 BB
H11: Vs unknown, OTR I was calling, it's so funny that before I started calling people down, I used to be thankful OTR after they gave up on their bluff, I was afraid most of the time, now I'm happy when they give up their value and I'm calling! haha!
well that's a new justification for your good plays.
That 66 hand is truly amazing. Kudos to you, Rapid!
Is it a troll? I know the calldown is bad, vs a normal person I would overfold the river, but guy was a whale. He had a 6/6 flop cbet and 4/4 turn cbet I think and was really loose pre. After calling it was pretty clear I was right since his hand was a x/f otf, x/f OTT and a x/f otr and he tripled that. Insane to see how many people overbluff.
H6: unless you have a solid read of the fish (I assume he is because of pf min squueze) I would just shove. There is only under 50% pot left and weak players are usually emotionally invested to their premium pf hands and go just "I have KK and FD missed, call". But atleast bet something or do you think it would be a great spot to bluff JTcc for 20$ ?
Folding H3 surely wouldnt be a mistake. Fish CCing pre has insane amount of Ax in his range and given he overbets Im sceptical about your call making money.
H6: unless you have a solid read of the fish (I assume he is because of pf min squueze) I would just shove. There is only under 50% pot left and weak players are usually emotionally invested to their premium pf hands and go just "I have KK and FD missed, call". But atleast bet something or do you think it would be a great spot to bluff JTcc for 20$ ?
It wouldn't because JTcc wont win often vs the other guy