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01-07-2019 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Seriously, IDK. It would be overbluffing constantly, and bluffcatching too often vs people who aren't bluffing. Would it's strat in other spots make up for that? That's impossible to say without creating a "PIO bot" and letting it play at least several million hands vs micro players on various sites. Someone (that's not me) should make this and do it. FWIW, I don't think running bots is immoral in any way, just "against the rules". It's like being the "banker" in Monopoly; everyone knows he's skimming money constantly and that it's against the rules but everyone lets it happen because why not.
all I'm gonna say is there's a reason every top player is studying with PIO
01-07-2019 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Not necessarially, sure that if villain is tight preflop he will end up having a stronger range otf and folding less because of that, but on that texture he needs to defend a lot for me to not profit from cbetting any2. Most people are lazy/want to stay out of trouble and will just fold 66 otf
Giving you some credit for this one, very elaborate troll :thumbsup:
01-07-2019 , 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Wtf
No idea either lol
01-07-2019 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
all I'm gonna say is there's a reason every top player is studying with PIO
That reason is not what you believe it to be most likely. They are doing it because it's the cool thing to do. Sort of like why 6bet me bought it.
01-07-2019 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
That reason is not what you believe it to be most likely. They are doing it because it's the cool thing to do. Sort of like why 6bet me bought it.
yeah, it's not about understanding game better it's because it's cool.
01-07-2019 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
That reason is not what you believe it to be most likely. They are doing it because it's the cool thing to do. Sort of like why 6bet me bought it.
Wow, what kind of drugs were you on before writing this? I want it lol. It's a level, right?
01-07-2019 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nomalice
yeah, it's not about understanding game better it's because it's cool.
I do it because it's cool.
01-07-2019 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
I do it because it's cool.
+1
01-07-2019 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
I do it because it's cool.
I do it because it's cool too, but you don't need pio to be cool, just see how many cool plays I made before buying pio!
01-07-2019 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
I do it because it's cool too, but you don't need pio to be cool, just see how many cool plays I made before buying pio!
True, I just don't have that talent that you do. I need pio to be cool.
01-07-2019 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
True, I just don't have that talent that you do. I need pio to be cool.
lol
01-07-2019 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
That reason is not what you believe it to be most likely. They are doing it because it's the cool thing to do. Sort of like why 6bet me bought it.
What in the actual ****
01-07-2019 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Btw, after I started calling more every session feels way more spewy and -EV than before, yet they end up breakeven/winning. It looks like folding too much was my biggest mistake and that it was killing my winrate. I basically had no system to punish overbluffs other than rebluffs or some very early folding that narrowed my range so much on later streets that ended up making my range overfold otf but massively defend turn/river, which took some of the EV from overbluffers but not as much as they should lose if I defended properly


This is a good insight. It will take practice, and there will be days when ‘they always have it’ and days when they are ridiculous maniacal overbluffers. In the end, you will have more profit, learning where to draw the line.

On the turn, if you make a solid call, and the river is pretty harmless, you almost always should call down the river as well. Those streets are closely related, and if a villain bluffs you on the turn, they will usually fire river also. This only slows down when they learn you are not an easy target.

It absolutely looks and feels weird. After playing too tight for so long, it is weird. Being unafraid to make a correct losing call is part of a new horizon in poker.

Big step up.

Vammmooooo!
01-07-2019 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
This is a good insight. It will take practice, and there will be days when ‘they always have it’ and days when they are ridiculous maniacal overbluffers. In the end, you will have more profit, learning where to draw the line.

On the turn, if you make a solid call, and the river is pretty harmless, you almost always should call down the river as well. Those streets are closely related, and if a villain bluffs you on the turn, they will usually fire river also. This only slows down when they learn you are not an easy target.

It absolutely looks and feels weird. After playing too tight for so long, it is weird. Being unafraid to make a correct losing call is part of a new horizon in poker.

Big step up.

Vammmooooo!
I agree with everything but the always call river part when playing vs good players that will have give ups rather than blindly bluffing if they get to the river with air. I think like that because I used to be that guy, I never gave up a bluff OTR.

Gotta fold the bad blockers, as an example Ax8d on A67dhc7dJh bb vs btn vs a reg, if we're calling all our Ax we will give villain a very low incentive to bluff and we block a lot of bluff potentials. Obv vs whales/regfish we should always call. The thing here is that I was folding even Ax with good blockers and tankimg with AQ vs everyone, which is terrible.

But what you said makes a lot of sense given how humans play: humans barrel too much with FDs ott, making their range heavily imbalanced on flush rivers (few bluff potentials) and heavily imbalanced on bricks (too many bluff candidates), which makes them overbluff unless they're giving up A LOT on bricks.
01-07-2019 , 08:09 PM
*almost* always....

Don’t forget that holding an ace kicker (even a flush draw blocker) significantly blocks the checkback range of an IP villain, leaving them more polar and slightly more bluffy.
01-08-2019 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
That reason is not what you believe it to be most likely. They are doing it because it's the cool thing to do. Sort of like why 6bet me bought it.
Such coolness
01-08-2019 , 08:49 PM
Played today, roll is at $2.6k, still breakeven land lol.

Some hands

H1: vamo!



PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 111.12 BB
Hero (BB): 118.76 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 141.8 BB
CO: 101.84 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN raises to 20 BB, Hero raises to 118.76 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 40.5 BB


H2: Vs whale, obv turn should be a fold vs anyone normal. So good to finally own these guys!! OTR this combo is one of the best bluffcatchers, the funny thing is that when you call turn light you can show up OTR with some very good blockers to calldown on some runnouts.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 134.2 BB
SB: 100.5 BB
BB: 236.66 BB
UTG: 317.04 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 120.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 6

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) J 8 9
UTG bets 4.04 BB, Hero calls 4.04 BB

Turn: (16.58 BB, 2 players) 3
UTG bets 7.88 BB, Hero calls 7.88 BB

River: (32.34 BB, 2 players) 5
UTG bets 30.72 BB, Hero calls 30.72 BB

Spoiler:
UTG shows A 5 (One Pair, Fives)
(Pre 31%, Flop 17%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows 6 6 (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 69%, Flop 83%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins 89.78 BB


H3: Used to fold this lol

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 101 BB
SB: 50.44 BB
BB: 88.14 BB
UTG: 97.58 BB
MP: 19.48 BB
CO: 127.94 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 8.5 BB, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (28 BB, 3 players) A 7 Q
SB bets 41.44 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 41.44 BB

Turn: (110.88 BB, 2 players) 8

River: (110.88 BB, 2 players) 2

Spoiler:
SB shows K Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 9%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows K K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 91%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
Hero wins 106.88 BB



H4: shine on you crazy diamond

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 263.56 BB
SB: 145.16 BB
Hero (BB): 159.68 BB
UTG: 342.48 BB
MP: 114.1 BB
CO: 168.42 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 4

fold, MP raises to 2.52 BB, CO calls 2.52 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.52 BB

Flop: (8.06 BB, 3 players) 2 5 A
Hero checks, MP bets 4.22 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP calls 7.78 BB

Turn: (32.06 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 22.84 BB, MP calls 22.84 BB

River: (77.74 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 122.32 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 73.86 BB


H5: Similar spot to H3, but guy is deeper, both are fish, do you guys think I should fold this and call the other one? I thought he had a lot of draws with that line and I blocked AQ, thought he would 4-bet AK pre

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 172.92 BB
SB: 204.12 BB
Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
UTG: 65 BB
MP: 134.64 BB
CO: 100.62 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 3.54 BB, fold, SB calls 3.04 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, CO calls 11.46 BB, SB calls 11.46 BB

Flop: (45 BB, 3 players) 8 A 5
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 85.62 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 85.62 BB

Turn: (216.24 BB, 2 players) Q

River: (216.24 BB, 2 players) 9
Players agreed to run it twice.

Turn #2: (216.24 BB, 2 players) 2

River #2: (216.24 BB, 2 players) T

Spoiler:
Hero shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
Board #1 (Pre 57%, Flop 9%, Turn 100%)
(One Pair, Queens)
Board #2 (Pre 52%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)

CO shows A K (One Pair, Aces)
Board #1 (Pre 43%, Flop 91%, Turn 0%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 48%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)

Hero wins 106.12 BB
CO wins 106.12 BB


H6: I feel like I should valuebet the river in this one, meh, it's so obvious,such a misplay. Which sizing should I use? $10? Since it's MW, it's very hard for me to want to bluff jam in there, because I need to win vs the other player too. So I would need to turn a hand into a bluff that would be good enough to beat the other guy so I could make the RFI fold his better hands and win the pot.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 92.28 BB
SB: 41.92 BB
BB: 116.6 BB
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 59.82 BB
CO: 49.96 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.32 BB, SB calls 1.82 BB, BB raises to 3.64 BB, Hero calls 1.32 BB, BTN calls 1.32 BB, SB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (14.56 BB, 4 players) 2 6 2
SB bets 6.92 BB, BB calls 6.92 BB, Hero calls 6.92 BB, fold

Turn: (35.32 BB, 3 players) 9
SB bets 31.36 BB and is all-in, BB calls 31.36 BB, Hero calls 31.36 BB

River: (129.4 BB, 3 players) A
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
SB shows 5 8 (One Pair, Twos)
(Pre 15%, Flop 4%, Turn 7%)
BB shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Twos)
(Pre 57%, Flop 61%, Turn 71%)
Hero shows A J (Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
(Pre 28%, Flop 35%, Turn 21%)
Hero wins 125.4 BB


H7: vs unknown, testing those explo sizings to try to get more calls from their bluffcatchers

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB
SB: 218.6 BB
Hero (BB): 167.8 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 201.52 BB
CO: 268.06 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 7

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, Hero raises to 15 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 10 BB

Flop: (32 BB, 2 players) 4 5 J
SB checks, Hero bets 7.9 BB, SB calls 7.9 BB

Turn: (47.8 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 34.06 BB, SB calls 34.06 BB

River: (115.92 BB, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets 21 BB, SB calls 21 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows A 7 (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 18%, Turn 16%)
SB mucks K K (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 67%, Flop 82%, Turn 84%)
Hero wins 153.92 BB



H8: Didn't see that OTR any 9x was a FH, lol, such a bad play. It's so bad to lose like this, but I would probably have x/c OTR because his sizing was indicative of having a lot of draws

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 294.68 BB
SB: 143.74 BB
Hero (BB): 111.46 BB
UTG: 95.54 BB
MP: 92.9 BB
CO: 43.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.5 BB, 3 players) 2 9 5
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 4.52 BB, Hero calls 4.52 BB, fold

Turn: (18.54 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, BTN calls 16 BB

River: (68.54 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 78.94 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 78.94 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows 5 5 (Full House, Fives full of Nines)
(Pre 52%, Flop 98%, Turn 84%)
BTN shows 9 K (Full House, Nines full of Twos)
(Pre 48%, Flop 2%, Turn 16%)
BTN wins 222.42 BB


H9: Run like hell

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 208.78 BB
SB: 88.5 BB
Hero (BB): 101.38 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 318.36 BB
CO: 194.52 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.54 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.54 BB

Flop: (5.58 BB, 2 players) T Q 6
Hero checks, CO bets 2.8 BB, Hero raises to 10.98 BB, CO calls 8.18 BB

Turn: (27.54 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 19.62 BB, CO raises to 39.24 BB, Hero calls 19.62 BB

River: (106.02 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, CO bets 19 BB, fold

CO wins 102.02 BB


H10: meh, I think I should call this. At the time of the hand I thought my blockers were bad because I blocked bluffs, but they're probably good, because I think villain isn't floating other AQ OTF other than AQcc/AcQx, AxQc and AQss. So I blocked a lot of value too.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 109.36 BB
Hero (SB): 112.5 BB
BB: 115.72 BB
UTG: 85.82 BB
MP: 209.34 BB
CO: 110.94 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, UTG calls 7 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 2 T 4
Hero bets 10.38 BB, UTG calls 10.38 BB

Turn: (41.76 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, UTG bets 19.84 BB, Hero calls 19.84 BB

River: (81.44 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, UTG bets 45.6 BB and is all-in, fold

UTG wins 77.44 BB


H11: Vs unknown, OTR I was calling, it's so funny that before I started calling people down, I used to be thankful OTR after they gave up on their bluff, I was afraid most of the time, now I'm happy when they give up their value and I'm calling! haha!

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 124.94 BB
SB: 105.28 BB
BB: 103.14 BB
Hero (UTG): 156.04 BB
MP: 130.54 BB
CO: 100.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, CO raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.18 BB

Flop: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 6 6 T
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, CO bets 6.58 BB, Hero calls 6.58 BB

River: (29.66 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, CO checks

Spoiler:
Hero shows A K (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 30%, Flop 14%, Turn 7%)
CO shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 70%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
CO wins 28.18 BB



H12: brain damage lol

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.68 BB
SB: 49.5 BB
BB: 91.28 BB
UTG: 116.24 BB
MP: 134.36 BB
Hero (CO): 198.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, SB calls 1.82 BB, fold

Flop: (5.64 BB, 2 players) 6 3 5
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (5.64 BB, 2 players) 4
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (9.64 BB, 2 players) 7
SB bets 22 BB, Hero raises to 194.38 BB and is all-in, SB calls 23.18 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows 8 K (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 47%, Flop 4%, Turn 14%)
SB shows 6 6 (Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 53%, Flop 96%, Turn 86%)
Hero wins 96 BB
01-08-2019 , 10:38 PM
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H12: brain damage
well that's a new justification for your good plays.

That 66 hand is truly amazing. Kudos to you, Rapid!
01-08-2019 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
well that's a new justification for your good plays.

That 66 hand is truly amazing. Kudos to you, Rapid!
Is it a troll? I know the calldown is bad, vs a normal person I would overfold the river, but guy was a whale. He had a 6/6 flop cbet and 4/4 turn cbet I think and was really loose pre. After calling it was pretty clear I was right since his hand was a x/f otf, x/f OTT and a x/f otr and he tripled that. Insane to see how many people overbluff.
01-09-2019 , 02:26 AM
H6: unless you have a solid read of the fish (I assume he is because of pf min squueze) I would just shove. There is only under 50% pot left and weak players are usually emotionally invested to their premium pf hands and go just "I have KK and FD missed, call". But atleast bet something or do you think it would be a great spot to bluff JTcc for 20$ ?
01-09-2019 , 03:27 AM
I see Kysus is still this salty guy stuck forever at 50nl, some things just dont change I guess
01-09-2019 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
well that's a new justification for your good plays.

That 66 hand is truly amazing. Kudos to you, Rapid!
B..but we block 67s!
01-09-2019 , 04:53 AM
Folding H3 surely wouldnt be a mistake. Fish CCing pre has insane amount of Ax in his range and given he overbets Im sceptical about your call making money.
01-09-2019 , 05:47 AM
Following, think we battled a lot in 50z, glgl just moved up myself. See you @ 100 )
01-09-2019 , 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by domir
H6: unless you have a solid read of the fish (I assume he is because of pf min squueze) I would just shove. There is only under 50% pot left and weak players are usually emotionally invested to their premium pf hands and go just "I have KK and FD missed, call". But atleast bet something or do you think it would be a great spot to bluff JTcc for 20$ ?
It wouldn't because JTcc wont win often vs the other guy

      
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