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01-06-2019 , 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
Would you ever want to jam that turn with AA?
I haven't done pio sims of those spots either, but am quite certain that pio wouldn't ever be jamming turn there. It's bad, and AJ is one of the worst hands to do it with.
Never with AA for value, but with 99/TT/JJ. It's likely that it's not suggested by PIO IP though.
01-06-2019 , 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoblis14
Rapid i think ur fish but i want ur heart. Vaaaaaamo

1. no idea what u doing
2. i never understand why people say thin with set
3. maybe u was tired and click some buttons, dont see any other reason
4. no worry they bluff sometimes, shoving this is worst than say they have no bluffs
5. no idea if its good but i call
6. jam river
7. x turn
8. if u want to fold river i want to play u HU
I agree that h8 fold is bad and that if I fold that I will get ran over, but I've made folds like that all day at 50z and had a decent winrate in there. It was one of my biggest leaks that I'm fixing atm.

But if you blindly call AQ without thinking "because I haz top2" you will get obliterated at 50z-200z. One of the most important skills to have to beat those stakes is to be able to spot underbluffs and don't pay people off when it's very unlikely they are bluffing.
01-06-2019 , 02:18 PM
no you won't if you play very well and you never fold those spot you won't get obliterated, you will crush
01-06-2019 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
no you won't if you play very well and you never fold those spot you won't get obliterated, you will crush
You play 500z/high stakes, man, do you even make explo folds? In your games it's not good to do that, but in a stake where it's infested by nits it's good imo, just see some hands ago martimC advocating making an even tighter fold OTR.
01-06-2019 , 02:34 PM
This is so halarious in 1000 ways.
You talk so big educate fellow posters everywhere and
Still havent manage to run a br upto 10K over several years.
Cant belive you dont accept you are one of the worst players and
Really bad at this game!
Just quit
01-06-2019 , 02:35 PM
I'm not particularly good myself so take this however you like but your posts really do come off so matter of fact and you don't appear open to criticism. I'm not sure if that's down to English being your second language but stuff like 'good fold, right?' just look like you're looking for validation that you made the right decision and aren't actually after constructive criticism as you should be

You also appear super confident you know what you need to do to be successful at 100/200z and your thoughts are often the polar opposite of what people who actually are beating those stakes think. Xeno's post above is a prime example of this.

Just some food for thought and I may be way off.

Gl
01-06-2019 , 02:47 PM
of course I make explo folds but you need a very specific read, making this kind of fold because "pool doesn't bluff enough" isn't a good adjustement to make, by default this call is literally printing a ****load of money, so you need a hell of a read to fold here.

toughest players at any stakes are the players who are very sticky and won't explo fold, the overbluffers are a joke to play against
01-06-2019 , 03:05 PM
Against nits the AQ fold isn't bad. Without a strong read though it's never a fold
01-06-2019 , 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
of course I make explo folds but you need a very specific read, making this kind of fold because "pool doesn't bluff enough" isn't a good adjustement to make, by default this call is literally printing a ****load of money, so you need a hell of a read to fold here.

toughest players at any stakes are the players who are very sticky and won't explo fold, the overbluffers are a joke to play against
I agree that sticky players are tougher to beat, specially when they don't just blindly call like some guys out there, it's so hard to play with people with the fold and call button installed in their client lol. But it's hard for me to find that some of my folds are bad since I've literally folded everything lol. I think my WTSD was the lowest on all stakes I played, even considering the nitfish out there, I wouldn't even let people cooler me given how much I folded lol.

Btw, played a bit today, will play a bit more later, still in breakeven land

Some hands

H1: was soooooo sad before calling, was just accepting my ****ty equity lol.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 116.16 BB
SB: 49 BB
BB: 197.5 BB
UTG: 106.84 BB
MP: 98 BB
CO: 206.22 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, CO raises to 8 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB, SB raises to 49 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 27 BB

Flop: (109 BB, 2 players) 3 3 J

Turn: (109 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (109 BB, 2 players) 5

Spoiler:
SB shows J Q (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 29%, Flop 28%, Turn 15%)
Hero shows K J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 71%, Flop 72%, Turn 85%)
Hero wins 105 BB



H2: bad call? Meh, such an annoying spot, I have 0 clue on what people are doing in there, if they're inducing small, or if they jam Ax to fold the split, or if they have bluffs in there. I just called because I had one of the best Ax I could have, blocking A6hh and 56hh, which both check turn a lot, with A2/A4 I was folding.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 103.1 BB
SB: 115.44 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 106.64 BB
MP: 105.58 BB
CO: 98.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 5

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.68 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 2 players) 4 2 5
SB bets 6 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Turn: (33 BB, 2 players) 7
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (33 BB, 2 players) 3
SB bets 99.44 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 87.1 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
SB shows 5 6 (Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 56%, Turn 41%)
Hero shows A 5 (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 67%, Flop 44%, Turn 59%)
SB wins 203.2 BB
01-06-2019 , 05:41 PM
the call with A5hh is okay but you see it makes a lot less money than calling the AQ in the previous hand, yet you folded the other one
01-06-2019 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
the call with A5hh is okay but you see it makes a lot less money than calling the AQ in the previous hand, yet you folded the other one
I will make an effort to call more in that AQ spot then. On this hand I thought villain had bluffs/split and that he would go smaller with a 6x too.

Btw, after I started calling more every session feels way more spewy and -EV than before, yet they end up breakeven/winning. It looks like folding too much was my biggest mistake and that it was killing my winrate. I basically had no system to punish overbluffs other than rebluffs or some very early folding that narrowed my range so much on later streets that ended up making my range overfold otf but massively defend turn/river, which took some of the EV from overbluffers but not as much as they should lose if I defended properly

Last edited by Rapidesh123; 01-06-2019 at 05:50 PM.
01-06-2019 , 05:52 PM
next time you make a fold you feel is overly tight, run the pio sim and look at what pio is calling and figure out a strat around that
01-06-2019 , 05:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
next time you make a fold you feel is overly tight, run the pio sim and look at what pio is calling and figure out a strat around that
PIO sims would only matter if players played like PIO does or if it were possible to node lock exactly the ranges and actions that real world players use and do. The first doesn't happen in reality and the second is impossible. PIO sims are essentially useless for the real world.
01-06-2019 , 06:38 PM
Played one of the sickest hands ever in this last session lol, this was playing in the sickest part of the song when I 3-bet the river haha vaaaaamo!



H3: Very sick bluff and my value range is so narrow that I'm probably overbluffing here, also the Jx is slightly bad and Js is bad too, because it blocks some floats OTF, I think if I were serious to have a bluffing range here and didn't want to overbluff I would have to use some QJo with the Jh and KQo with the Kh, as well as Q5dd/Q5cc

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB
SB: 106 BB
BB: 155.62 BB
UTG: 114.22 BB
MP: 335.64 BB
Hero (CO): 142.38 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 8 4 8
BB checks, Hero bets 1.26 BB, BB calls 1.26 BB

Turn: (7.66 BB, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero bets 5.46 BB, BB calls 5.46 BB

River: (18.58 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets 13.24 BB, BB raises to 36 BB, Hero raises to 133.34 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 86.58 BB


H4: bonus round vs fish, excellent play by him haha!

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 193.48 BB
SB: 129.74 BB
BB: 129.54 BB
UTG: 63.14 BB
MP: 122.48 BB
CO: 104.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, fold, Hero raises to 24 BB, SB calls 14 BB

Flop: (49 BB, 2 players) 8 A T
SB checks, Hero bets 12.1 BB, SB calls 12.1 BB

Turn: (73.2 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets 18.08 BB, SB calls 18.08 BB

River: (109.36 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 27 BB, Hero calls 27 BB

Spoiler:
SB shows K Q (One Pair, Eights)
(Pre 25%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows K A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
(Pre 75%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
Hero wins 159.36 BB



Poker is so fun! Even in breakeven land I have a good time! vaaaaaaaaamo!
01-06-2019 , 08:11 PM
Btw, 2 last hands, and shoutout to jetkiss! It looks like he is in the same spot as I do, sad to see good players playing 50z, and there are way more people that I saw in the 100z/200z streets at 50z atm lol. Poker is so tough, it's insane how hard it is, specially with such a high rake and how good people are playing on average.



H5: snap call by villain, lol. I think I overdo a lot in these spots, should be careful vs people with checking ranges that are protected

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 327.76 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 136.82 BB
UTG: 129.9 BB
MP: 106.84 BB
CO: 116.64 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4 7

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) Q A T
Hero bets 2.96 BB, BB calls 2.96 BB

Turn: (11.92 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (11.92 BB, 2 players) K
Hero bets 94.04 BB and is all-in, BB calls 94.04 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows 4 7 (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 35%, Flop 7%, Turn 24%)
BB shows 9 A (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 65%, Flop 93%, Turn 76%)
Hero wins 98 BB
BB wins 98 BB


H6: I just can't see what can I beat, specially OTR when the J pairs, should I call this? Who prefer jamming flop?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 136.32 BB
SB: 66.44 BB
BB: 45.5 BB
UTG: 100.5 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 117.42 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 4 BB

Flop: (13.5 BB, 2 players) 3 2 J
MP checks, Hero bets 3.34 BB, MP raises to 15 BB, Hero calls 11.66 BB

Turn: (43.5 BB, 2 players) 8
MP bets 20.66 BB, Hero calls 20.66 BB

River: (84.82 BB, 2 players) J
MP bets 58.34 BB and is all-in, fold

MP wins 80.82 BB

btw, month so far, at least volume is decent!
vaaaaaamooo

01-06-2019 , 08:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WorldzMine
PIO sims are essentially useless for the real world.
Poker is dead
01-06-2019 , 08:17 PM
H5 - 47o what are you doing preflop? What are you doing on the flop???
01-06-2019 , 08:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Finland22
H5 - 47o what are you doing preflop? What are you doing on the flop???
Bodgik solver confirmed lol. Preflop he was overfolding, otf I hope he overfolds lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by WorldzMine
PIO sims would only matter if players played like PIO does or if it were possible to node lock exactly the ranges and actions that real world players use and do. The first doesn't happen in reality and the second is impossible. PIO sims are essentially useless for the real world.
This is wrong, sure that trying to copy pio blindly is bad, but it's still better than mindlessly spewing (which most people in the world do). Pio/gto+ are by far the best softwares to study how to play poker by a big margin.

You could say that it's hard to run a sim that is 100% accurate, which is true, but the best thing that PIO can give us are some strategies that we can challenge villain to play well against them in spots where we have a good idea on what his range is, as an example:

Otf before the cbet, ott after calling a small bet OTF, OTR after calling the cbet, turn x/x.

Also pio helps us understand a lot of areas in the game we couldn't understand otherwise. For years people thought that they should x back some top sets OTT to protect themselves from villains overbluffing with overbets, which is wrong. If villain overbluffs after you x back for a big sizing, just call more with your bluffcatchers that you will be fine. Pio checks back good hands to protect its strategy against thin valuebets for a big sizing.
01-06-2019 , 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Bodgik solver confirmed lol. Preflop he was overfolding, otf I hope he overfolds lol
You can see how this thought process is inconsistent, right?
01-06-2019 , 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
You can see how this thought process is inconsistent, right?
Not necessarially, sure that if villain is tight preflop he will end up having a stronger range otf and folding less because of that, but on that texture he needs to defend a lot for me to not profit from cbetting any2. Most people are lazy/want to stay out of trouble and will just fold 66 otf
01-06-2019 , 08:58 PM
Again you are talking to big. Even after showing your latest graph that clearly
Shows how bad your post flop game is. PS; remember you are running over ev incase you wanna fool yourself u are stuck in 50nl after a «huge» downswing and big sample at 200nl.
You live in this dreamworld where you compare yourself to actually winners game.

Just the brutal truth!
Everything u say is way to complicated.
In micros you dont need this things in your Arsenal. U dont play vs good players, and should adjust every hand rather then this insane strat you belive is how hs games works.
Accept this now and enjoy 2019 with a profit and raise thru the limits.
01-06-2019 , 09:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WorldzMine
PIO sims would only matter if players played like PIO does or if it were possible to node lock exactly the ranges and actions that real world players use and do. The first doesn't happen in reality and the second is impossible. PIO sims are essentially useless for the real world.
soooo you don't think PIO would beat microstakes?
01-06-2019 , 09:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenoblade
soooo you don't think PIO would beat microstakes?
Seriously, IDK. It would be overbluffing constantly, and bluffcatching too often vs people who aren't bluffing. Would it's strat in other spots make up for that? That's impossible to say without creating a "PIO bot" and letting it play at least several million hands vs micro players on various sites. Someone (that's not me) should make this and do it. FWIW, I don't think running bots is immoral in any way, just "against the rules". It's like being the "banker" in Monopoly; everyone knows he's skimming money constantly and that it's against the rules but everyone lets it happen because why not.
01-06-2019 , 11:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Seriously, IDK. It would be overbluffing constantly, and bluffcatching too often vs people who aren't bluffing. Would it's strat in other spots make up for that? That's impossible to say without creating a "PIO bot" and letting it play at least several million hands vs micro players on various sites. Someone (that's not me) should make this and do it. FWIW, I don't think running bots is immoral in any way, just "against the rules". It's like being the "banker" in Monopoly; everyone knows he's skimming money constantly and that it's against the rules but everyone lets it happen because why not.
Wtf
01-06-2019 , 11:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Seriously, IDK. It would be overbluffing constantly, and bluffcatching too often vs people who aren't bluffing. Would it's strat in other spots make up for that? That's impossible to say without creating a "PIO bot" and letting it play at least several million hands vs micro players on various sites. Someone (that's not me) should make this and do it. FWIW, I don't think running bots is immoral in any way, just "against the rules". It's like being the "banker" in Monopoly; everyone knows he's skimming money constantly and that it's against the rules but everyone lets it happen because why not.
It wouldn't be overbluffing, pio never overbluffs unless you lock one player to overfold. And yeah, pio would make some bad calls in practice, but it would make some good calls too that few people would make, also it would make good folds that people don't make.

Just as an example, I while folding everything and with a 26 WTSD stat and like 66% river fold I still managed to make some very bad calldowns that I thought were snap calls on PIO, so it's likely that I was making even worse calls than those lol.

Sure that some guys would beat the games at a higher winrate, like 7bb+ at 50z, but I doubt pio's winrate would be lower than 4bbs at 50z (with a 8bb/100 rake).

Also with the technology today I think it's impossible to make a bot that runs PIO in real time, if the programmer would be very organized and came up with a solution by saving pio's responses in excel sheets it could be possible though, but the guy must be very very organized to do that and it's an insane amount of work, it would take an insane amount of time to organize everything in there. I think it's way more likely for a botter to code whatever strat he thinks is winning and make the bot play copying his playstyle with some sort of approximations/general rules to cover a lot of specific spots that rarely happen

      
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