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09-18-2018 , 10:26 PM
TT in H2 is a clear fold. They jam AA/KK there because they think you'll put them on AK or sth and will never fold a pair. They were right obviously.

His 3b size preflop tells he's probably not a huge fish or on a mega tilt. Also BTN v UTG 3b is usually very AA/KK heavy.

Even 9T would be a better bluffcatcher than TT here. You should be calling KK+ imo.

I was in this spot many times in the past and they usually have it, unless they're on a huge tilt or something.

H5: I'd fold river. We're never spliting and I don't think a whale is bluffing there enough. (Depends on how you define the word "whale")

All other hands seem good to me.
09-18-2018 , 10:34 PM
Btw, in H4 you said that whale is going to x/R you a lot otf.
Since he didn't x/R KQ, I don't think you're right.
09-18-2018 , 11:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZKesic
Btw, in H4 you said that whale is going to x/R you a lot otf.
Since he didn't x/R KQ, I don't think you're right.
Not if he will spazz out with any gutter and slowplay his trips, those spazz whales love to slowplay big hands and bluff their garbage. Thanks for the feedback in the hands, TT is such a clear fold, even K9 for that sizing. I don't know why I make stupid plays like that, if I keep spewing stacks like that it will take a lot of hands to be back at 200z.
09-19-2018 , 12:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Not if he will spazz out with any gutter and slowplay his trips, those spazz whales love to slowplay big hands and bluff their garbage. Thanks for the feedback in the hands, TT is such a clear fold, even K9 for that sizing. I don't know why I make stupid plays like that, if I keep spewing stacks like that it will take a lot of hands to be back at 200z.
Probably you overthink and end up confusing yourself, like the TT you could have folded in 2 seconds, same with k9s. If your gut is right 99% of the time theres no point in giving yourself a chance to make the mistake. There is always good reason behind gut feeling, maybe ask yourself why your gut tells you something instead of trying to fight it.
09-19-2018 , 01:18 AM
Just stop crying about games beeing so tuff even fishes plays good. Use your drive and time constructive and stop the weekly new ide.Same argument was made back in 2011 by players who suck and dedicated their time to the game. Games are so tuff now puuuke its bs!
Only thread on the whole forum it feels like talking to a baby. Grow up!
09-19-2018 , 02:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Basically the river donks were designed to counter turn overbets, which is a big problem I've faced at 200z, where people overbet turn a lot and usually those are unbalanced towards bluffs. The math of raising overbets OTT won't help,because most of people's bluffs have enough equity to call a raise, specially IP, specially when raising overbets we have to put a lot of money and villain's odds will still be good. But what I found out is that on brick rivers, OOP gets a 60%+ range advantage, so it made sense to have a donking range OTR, also we don't let IP choose how much he wants to bluff.

The problem is that after we donk, villain's range will often be divided into air and hands that beat us, so that donk isn't a valuebet, also if we call mostly pairs vs the overbet and few strong draws, we're basically letting villain fold the hands we beat and raise us for value, so in order for that to work, we should start calling more draws OTT, mostly FDs with overcards which are usually -EV calls vs overvets OTT when we range x river always, but if we have a donking range otr, those hands start gaining EV. We can win way more pots by doing that and defend more often vs turn overbets with that strat.

Still testing it, but it's not very good to do it at 50z atm because people underbluff with overbets there, so the strat makes 0 sense vs most villains in there.
It makes zero sense to lead river OOP after pfr overbets turn unless the board changes in favor for OOP range.
09-19-2018 , 02:57 AM
H1: I assume you have 4 color deck? No excuse not to notice you have a flush. Raise river.

H2: Just fold. At best you're up against a huge draw like AK of spades. Seems like you were the fish here, not him.

H3: Fold turn. Don't make these thin calls, you're just burning money. You only beat a complete air ball bluff because he's not going to go crazy with a 1 pair hand. Even A-high he would most likely just check it down.

H4: 75 off suit too weak to raise pre-flop. Flop is ok. Fold river when he bets that big.

H5: Why the ******ed sizing? If you just bet a normal river size, you wouldn't have leveled yourself into a call. Fold river btw, it's not a spot where a 50z villain will bluff and at very best, you are chopping.
09-19-2018 , 05:17 AM
Finland22 wrecking souls, playing 36/30 every session with a WWSF superior to 52 every single time. 5bb/100, 200z regs are so ****** ******ed. Except nomad and the other guy I marked red tag
09-19-2018 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Finland22
Finland22 wrecking souls, playing 36/30 every session with a WWSF superior to 52 every single time. 5bb/100, 200z regs are so ****** ******ed. Except nomad and the other guy I marked red tag
Best reg in chatgame. Says how good he's playing the hand while in the hand.
4/7 would recommend.

Edit: share graph please
09-19-2018 , 08:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by domir
It makes zero sense to lead river OOP after pfr overbets turn unless the board changes in favor for OOP range.
Brick rivers give OOP a huge range advantage over IP
09-19-2018 , 10:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Brick rivers give OOP a huge range advantage over IP
IP is more or less polarized on the turn with some thinner valuebets that checks back the river usually (obviously board matter a lot) so it just does not make sense to lead vs essentially air/nuts range and vs a range that usually holds the nut advantage. IP is often allowed to bet v big on the river also, even 3-4x pot shoves.
09-19-2018 , 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by domir
IP is more or less polarized on the turn with some thinner valuebets that checks back the river usually (obviously board matter a lot) so it just does not make sense to lead vs essentially air/nuts range and vs a range that usually holds the nut advantage. IP is often allowed to bet v big on the river also, even 3-4x pot shoves.
That's the biggest challenge I found out in my study in that spot: OOP has a range that has a lot of weak pair hands, like 80%-90% of that and IP has 40% of hands that are basically the nuts, but 60% of air(in the board I tested, ofc it will change depending on tbe texture). But OOP has the range advantage and deserves a bigger share of the pot. Ofc it doesn't make sense o lead bluffcatchers into that polarized range, because IP could easily fold most of his air and always valuebet and bluff at the right portion, because OOP would be underbluffing like crazy with that donkbet(because OOP lacks uff candidates that are calling turn).

So let's say we get into a 2 SPR scenario after the river donk with equities as I described here: IP will jam his 40% value and 30% bluffs, it means OOP will face a breakeven decision 70% of the time and will win the pot the other 30%. In that scenario, OOP realizes way more equity than he usually does by checking river and it allows him to defend turn wider with more marginal draws(on runnouts they don't hit, they get a sick bluff for a cheap price and there's nothing villain can do about that).

Also we're considering here that villains will 2x pot for value with KJ 22j58, which most people won't, IP's river strat becomes insanely complex and it will be very easy for IP to overbluff. If IP uses only a 1x pot sizing, he will be able to defend the river with only 60% of his range, if the turn overbet is 150% of the pot, it gives OOP close to auto-profit in calling any open ender and maybe even gutshot + overcards, given brick runnouts happen more often.
09-19-2018 , 12:29 PM
I thought a bit of never folding vs the raise after donking, which is a good strat vs overbluffs, but gotta have a folding range in that spot, since if IP starts underbluffing in his raises, OOP would only benefit from that by having extra bluffs in his range, which is hard to do. IP could counter that by tightening up OTT, bur if he does that, OOP will end up realizing way more equity because of lower turn barreling frequencies, if OOP reverts his strat to before the donking started things will be basically the same, but he will get more rivers and showdowns.
09-19-2018 , 09:10 PM
Played well today, broke even probably.

Worst hand of the day:

H1: vs reg that was marked as "x/r a lot", only saw that after my cbet, I think even though he x/r that much, this hand is the easiest fold in the world, 0 equity, 0 backdoor equity. Also one guy here from 2+2 explained to me that 3-betting OTF isn't necessary, actually it complicates strat a lot, specially IP it's bad because we don't abuse as much our position advantage. Vs a guy explo x/r it makes sense to 3-bet a lot OTF with a mergy range with AK/AQ in there, some bluffs too. OTR I had no other option imo, so went for it, he tanked a lot and folded. But just because I've won it doesn't mean this was wp.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 112.92 BB
SB: 373.56 BB
BB: 130.74 BB
UTG: 114.12 BB
MP: 76.88 BB
CO: 106.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 6

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 2 T A
BB checks, Hero bets 1.26 BB, BB raises to 4.6 BB, Hero raises to 15.16 BB, BB calls 10.56 BB

Turn: (35.46 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (35.46 BB, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero bets 25.26 BB, fold

Hero wins 33.68 BB


H2: vs very creative reg that plays 50z since I've started playing there, I like playing vs him and he is quite funny with his line, obv they aren't that good and aren't based in theory that much haha. After the flop min-raise, I thought that 3-bet-jamming wasn't that good given the spr, so went for the call, but since his raise was so small, I thought I had to lead tons of turns, because I can't let him get away with a cheap river with such a small price OTF. I could 3-bet flop, but prefer doing it with a hand with less equity. OTR just went for it, I have no idea what he had or what he min-raises flop with lol.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 213 BB
Hero (SB): 160.62 BB
BB: 113.98 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 105.04 BB
CO: 122.86 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, CO calls 9.5 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 4 6 K
Hero bets 6.18 BB, CO raises to 15 BB, Hero calls 8.82 BB

Turn: (55 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 13.58 BB, CO calls 13.58 BB

River: (82.16 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 120.04 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 78.16 BB


H3: I like this one, even though the reg snap called, I've decided to not raise OTF because I think I have close to little aggression OTT with my x/r and those do really well vs people in general. wp? OTR I should have a jamming range for my straights and a small sizing for my 2p, right? I don't like his call that much, even OTT it's already bad vs population, he blocks a lot of bluffs and people underbluff there. Ts is better than Tc at least imo.

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 99.5 BB
SB: 251.76 BB
Hero (BB): 210.98 BB
UTG: 108.88 BB
MP: 128.32 BB
CO: 68.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.4 BB

Flop: (5.3 BB, 2 players) J Q 6
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.46 BB, Hero calls 2.46 BB

Turn: (10.22 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.76 BB, Hero raises to 19.18 BB, BTN calls 14.42 BB

River: (48.58 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 34.62 BB, BTN calls 34.62 BB

Spoiler:
Hero shows 9 T (High Card, Queen)
(Pre 31%, Flop 29%, Turn 18%)
BTN shows Q T (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 69%, Flop 71%, Turn 82%)
BTN wins 113.82 BB
09-19-2018 , 10:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123

Worst hand of the day:

H1: vs reg that was marked as "x/r a lot", only saw that after my cbet, I think even though he x/r that much, this hand is the easiest fold in the world
Then why the fk are you 3betting it? And why are you cbetting it vs someone who xr a lot?



H2. Looks like 2 Brazilian regs battling. Hard to work out who's the bigger ******. Flop is obvious jam. Do you even know what value hands you take that ******ed line with on that wet board?

Quote:
I could 3-bet flop, but prefer doing it with a hand with less equity
Ye who would want to 3bet with good equity , how ridiculous. lol
09-19-2018 , 10:58 PM
Quote:
because I can't let him get away with a cheap river with such a small price OTF
What are you trying to say here? You're punishing his drawing hands by betting your own draw?
09-20-2018 , 08:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzbourg
What are you trying to say here? You're punishing his drawing hands by betting your own draw?
You know that there's something called ranges, right? Maybe it's too advanced for you, IDK.

And yeah, often when 2 players have draws, the one who makes the most EV is usually the guy putting aggression, getting some fold equity and freerolling equity.
09-20-2018 , 08:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
Then why the fk are you 3betting it? And why are you cbetting it vs someone who xr a lot?
H2. Looks like 2 Brazilian regs battling. Hard to work out who's the bigger ******. Flop is obvious jam. Do you even know what value hands you take that ******ed line with on that wet board
Ye who would want to 3bet with good equity , how ridiculous. lol
That's why it was the worst hand of the day, I've made a mistake.
On h2 I have a lot of value hands in there, probably valuebetting AK+. In those spots whete villains use some funky lines that shuldn't exist in theory I prefer to go with a balanced strategy. As a example, in that spot I'm probably valuebetting QhQhs OTT, AKo witout clubs or diamonds, pair+ FD, FDs, bdfd, trips, while x my midpairs, KK, AhAs, the AK without FD, KTcc/KJcc. With that strat even though I have 0 idea of what villain's range is, my ranges will be protected and if he is too loose im his raise he will get punished by that.

3-betting flop is a good strat too, specially OOP, but since the sizing of his raise is smal, I profit very little from his spazzes, if I jam over that he won't be making a huge mistale by folding AQcc or 78dd, small 3-bet is weird, feel more confident by playing most of my range as a call with donks ott.

Also QTdd has too much equity to 3-bet fold, prefer doing it with QTcc, it's better to 3-bet call AQdd which dominates some of his jams. QTdd isn't good as neither a 3-bet-call or 3-bet fold. That's what I meant by "too strong to 3-bet"
09-20-2018 , 09:37 AM
65ss why not delayed cbet if he checks flop? Has to be better line that cbetting with no equity against a guy who mashes the raise button blindly.
09-20-2018 , 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mbr402
Best reg in chatgame. Says how good he's playing the hand while in the hand.
4/7 would recommend.

Edit: share graph please
Lmao this is so accurate.
09-20-2018 , 11:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by samcx
65ss why not delayed cbet if he checks flop? Has to be better line that cbetting with no equity against a guy who mashes the raise button blindly.
As I said, it was a mistake, didn't see the note. As a std strat I range cbet there, but vs this guy it was worth going explo and having some x backs.
09-20-2018 , 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
You know that there's something called ranges, right? Maybe it's too advanced for you, IDK.

And yeah, often when 2 players have draws, the one who makes the most EV is usually the guy putting aggression, getting some fold equity and freerolling equity.
I know you're brain damaged so I'll let the dig at me slide.

Even with turn donks, and tbh you're no where near good enough to know what you do or don't donk here. This hand checks turn more than it donks and it's not a bad thing for your hand if turn goes check check.
09-20-2018 , 08:47 PM
Worst hand of the day:

H1: terrible call by me OTT, I thought that it would make sense to play my range as a call, so the 3-bettor wouldn't make some sick folds, but his range was already weak and he was probably already out of the pot. Also his continuing range is only BDFD, so by raising it's way better vs that. In explo and gto this is bad

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 160.88 BB
SB: 175.08 BB
BB: 219.34 BB
UTG: 35.2 BB
Hero (MP): 200.3 BB
CO: 196.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 2

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, CO raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 7 BB, Hero calls 5.68 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 3 players) 6 9 2
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (24.5 BB, 3 players) 5
BB bets 12.62 BB, Hero calls 12.62 BB, fold

River: (49.74 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 24.58 BB, fold

Hero wins 47.26 BB


H2: pre is obv explo, good bet-fold OTR? Thought about raising flop, but I think there's more value in getting some extra from the third player, good? Or should I raise? I can't see many bluffs I could have but overcards + BDFD and some gutshots + BDFD, vs a reg I think it makes sense to play my range as a call OTF, right?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 112.48 BB
SB: 107.18 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 198.02 BB
MP: 217.42 BB
Hero (CO): 268.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 2

UTG raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB, BTN calls 2.4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.7 BB, 3 players) 2 4 6
UTG bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB, fold

Turn: (17.7 BB, 2 players) A
UTG bets 11.1 BB, Hero calls 11.1 BB

River: (39.9 BB, 2 players) 5
UTG checks, Hero bets 28.42 BB, UTG raises to 107 BB, fold

UTG wins 92.74 BB
09-21-2018 , 01:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
That's the biggest challenge I found out in my study in that spot: OOP has a range that has a lot of weak pair hands, like 80%-90% of that and IP has 40% of hands that are basically the nuts, but 60% of air(in the board I tested, ofc it will change depending on tbe texture). But OOP has the range advantage and deserves a bigger share of the pot. Ofc it doesn't make sense o lead bluffcatchers into that polarized range, because IP could easily fold most of his air and always valuebet and bluff at the right portion, because OOP would be underbluffing like crazy with that donkbet(because OOP lacks uff candidates that are calling turn).

So let's say we get into a 2 SPR scenario after the river donk with equities as I described here: IP will jam his 40% value and 30% bluffs, it means OOP will face a breakeven decision 70% of the time and will win the pot the other 30%. In that scenario, OOP realizes way more equity than he usually does by checking river and it allows him to defend turn wider with more marginal draws(on runnouts they don't hit, they get a sick bluff for a cheap price and there's nothing villain can do about that).

Also we're considering here that villains will 2x pot for value with KJ 22j58, which most people won't, IP's river strat becomes insanely complex and it will be very easy for IP to overbluff. If IP uses only a 1x pot sizing, he will be able to defend the river with only 60% of his range, if the turn overbet is 150% of the pot, it gives OOP close to auto-profit in calling any open ender and maybe even gutshot + overcards, given brick runnouts happen more often.
equity is not the main thing when it comes to who gets to bet and what sizing. it's overall ev. if ip has way more nut combos, then oop just doesn't get to bet

there's a toygame where oop has JJ-99 and ip has QQ+, 77-33 on 222 flop. oop has 57% equity but big ev disadvantage and doesnt get to bet on any street and actually just c/f flop all the time if you give ip big enough betsizes and ability to jam rivers

Last edited by Calm Down; 09-21-2018 at 01:36 AM.
09-21-2018 , 02:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
Worst hand of the day:

H1: terrible call by me OTT, I thought that it would make sense to play my range as a call, so the 3-bettor wouldn't make some sick folds, but his range was already weak and he was probably already out of the pot. Also his continuing range is only BDFD, so by raising it's way better vs that. In explo and gto this is bad

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 160.88 BB
SB: 175.08 BB
BB: 219.34 BB
UTG: 35.2 BB
Hero (MP): 200.3 BB
CO: 196.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 2

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, CO raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 7 BB, Hero calls 5.68 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 3 players) 6 9 2
BB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: (24.5 BB, 3 players) 5
BB bets 12.62 BB, Hero calls 12.62 BB, fold

River: (49.74 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 24.58 BB, fold

Hero wins 47.26 BB


H2: pre is obv explo, good bet-fold OTR? Thought about raising flop, but I think there's more value in getting some extra from the third player, good? Or should I raise? I can't see many bluffs I could have but overcards + BDFD and some gutshots + BDFD, vs a reg I think it makes sense to play my range as a call OTF, right?

PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 112.48 BB
SB: 107.18 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 198.02 BB
MP: 217.42 BB
Hero (CO): 268.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 2

UTG raises to 2.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB, BTN calls 2.4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.7 BB, 3 players) 2 4 6
UTG bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB, fold

Turn: (17.7 BB, 2 players) A
UTG bets 11.1 BB, Hero calls 11.1 BB

River: (39.9 BB, 2 players) 5
UTG checks, Hero bets 28.42 BB, UTG raises to 107 BB, fold

UTG wins 92.74 BB
I really canīt understand why you play thes crazy loose ranges preflop, 22 is not a std CO open raise... Imagine when you open it early, other guy 3bet you and other guy farha, it sames a joke xDDDD

The more players in the pot, more tight you need be bc you play vs more ranges
And not justifi your call bc setmining, you have suficient experience now for know it is a ****
Simply make solid preflop ranges and respect it, stop play 22 bc "xploit", try exploit any tendencie in btn, but not in MP... and try not to be afraid of being too nit, If there are more people in the pot you have to be tighter

      
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