There's some regs at 200z that still fold +65% to 3bets everywhere or fold 60% to opens bvb to give you an idea

how much is the ideal fold to b vs b? vs which sizes?

Maybe they know the other reg is better than they are post-flop and prefer to give away their blind even with position advantage rather than lose more post-flop.

~35-45% versus 2.5x, ~40-50% versus 3x are my estimations. versis 2x you can defend really lots amount. in fact 100% because anyone bad enough to 2x it you want to play pot with

at 200nl, not 60%

rake is a factor obv, i would guess that at nl25 for example you can fold a bunch vs someone 3xing 45% of hands from sb

how any hands do people usually open from SB vs BB in NL200?

The tough thing of opening too wide from the SB is that 3-bets really hurt you.

Still haven't played today, will focus more in studying for my test.
Here are the results since I started this thread:

Overall year graph



Month's graph




Pretty ugly graphs, but I don't mind showing these terrible results, things don't always go well, and you get punished pretty hard for playing worse than others. Even with results like those, this was probably the month that I improved the most in poker. Almost went busto 4 times, played more than 20k hands below 10 BI BRM lol.

But there's still time to turn the tables, and I'll do my best to do it!

VAMO!!!!!

Goal for next month:
[ ] 100k hands
[ ] reach NL100

You should prob play less tables/hours and study more.

starteed playing only 2 tables this month, studied more than played
in the first 2 months(first 200k hands) I studied probably less than 10% of the time I played and mostly 4-tabled

Question: is this donk OTR good?
Thought about doing it with my flushes as well, since I was polarized OTT, after I called, I basically my range filled with a lot of FDs, since I jam the turn with sets/straights almost always.

Villain's range is filled with a lot of 2-pair/straights/air

Is it better to overbet jam or just pot like I did?

The problem of doing this move with all our missed flushes is that villain can call on either flush card, the river card was also really bad for his range and much better for our.

PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 147.75 BB (VPIP: 25.63, PFR: 19.86, 3Bet Preflop: 5.50, Hands: 280)
SB: 64.25 BB
Hero (BB): 117.69 BB
UTG: 139.81 BB (VPIP: 19.56, PFR: 14.67, 3Bet Preflop: 8.79, Hands: 608)
MP: 81.56 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 13.00, 3Bet Preflop: 12.12, Hands: 102)
CO: 166.31 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.56 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.56 BB

Flop: (5.63 BB, 2 players) 9 3 7
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (5.63 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 11 BB, BTN raises to 24.13 BB, Hero calls 13.13 BB

River: (53.88 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 51.44 BB, BTN calls 51.44 BB

I dislike the turn overbet w ur specific hand. Just try to keep it simple.
You prob have no idea how population plays vs those types of lines, but my guess is that vs weird lines people play exploitatively.

I don't care what happened OTR. Question you should be asking yourself is that are those spots necessary?


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overbetting is a really good part of poker strat, specially now since pre-flop raises got smaller, I'm trying to get used to them.

why is the hand bad for overbetting? because we have good equity, so we should pick lower equity hands like OESDs and gutshots?

I decided to do it because villain's range was capped, so thought it was a good spot

they're not necessary to beat these games, but I'm trying to learn in order to beat higher ones.

I'm still in these stakes mostly because of tilt. Not saying if I removed all my tilted hands I would have crushed NL25, would probably be winning there by 1-2bb/100 rather than losing by that amount.

Vs a 3x 45% open from SB you should defend like 60-70% of hands. It's true that rake becomes an issue we should likely 3b more and call less and the SB should likewise pry open a bit wider than 45%, but it probably leads to an equilibrium where we both pay stupid amounts to rake. Anyways, people suck so I'd probably defend wider/3b more than what a pseudo gto strategy might suggest rather than tighten up due to rake.

Just guessing EV(gain)_duetopeoplesucking > EV(loss)_duetorake

I don't play 200nlz on stars, but a 45% open range is solid. If we RFI more than this in SB it's to exploit the BB and we no longer need to worry about our F3B statistic as we're exploiting villain. If villain starts 3bing us like 25+% of the time obv. we should go back down to our standard range as villain is now adjusting due to our exploit.

thanks for the help

Yeah, vs nits I open 100%, open wider vs weak fish, but vs loose fish which never fold I tighten up a bit, is this right? People usually say that we should open wider vs bad players, but if we're against someone who never folds a pair, I see no point in opening 84s or K8o.

Depends how bad they are and what leaks they are. There are a significant number of weak players, but they can go into any number of categories. Vs some passive/loose fish I do start limping a lot of speculative hands though. Others it's better to just open. I definitely don't think it makes sense to tighten up though, so I would disagree. Any EV loss due to not having the player fold is likely made up for postflop, but again it depends.

Care to explain how you play 45%+ hands from the sb without being exploitable? really interested to hear, cause i don't think it's possible while playing all hands for a raise. Vs 3bb u only need to defend the bb vs sb 37.5% to to not be exploited, so a reg defending 40% of hands while having range adv + position= +ev & sb losing $ while opening that wide.

Not sure if I follow the question correctly --

If you are opening >45% of hands from SB it's because BB is folding too much/not 3-betting enough/weak postflop. Yes this makes us exploitable, as does any strategy where we deviate in order to maximum EV vs. a non optimal strategy.

Just because someone is defending enough for the SB to not auto profit preflop does not mean you are not being exploited.

Yes defending the top 40% of hands is > folding. Yes the SB is losing, but it is still better to open 45% of hands than to open fold.

Bolded is very wrong

How's that wrong?

@broken, i was asking how can you open 45% of hands preflop from the sb without being exploitable, i think you're super exploitable opening that much. Defending atleast 15% of hands oop vs 3bet there seems pretty bad to me. Would love some break down/range break down of how you play 45% from the sb without being exploitable though if you care to post it.

@Rapidesh

Saw you in the pool yesterday. Good luck regarding turning your graph around

From my experience in the micros people (also most Regs) are overcalling overbets with TP-type hands. Maybe not when a flush arrives but in other spots for sure. So i would suggest to you to overbet your made hands and not your draws. And if you want to experiment with overbets i would start overbetting flush cards on the T/R when you have it and also when you dont. Then make notes for the regs who call you down and who dont and adjust accordingly.

As played i would definetly just bet 3/4 on the turn since he will still fold all of his complete air. And after he raises your Toverbet you shouldnt think that his range contains any air imo and 2pair is also pretty unlikely because that should only be sth like T7s. So i guess he has a straight like 90% of the time so you can definetly call for implied odds.
What would you do when you hit your flush? Overbet jam or pot it or bet like 3/4 ?

Most people aren't 3betting enough from the BB so I don't need to defend as much as I otherwise would (which is way more than 1/3rd of those hands, i.e. "15%" it would be about half.

But anyways, mix of 4b bluffs, TT+, AK, AQs for "value", call all pp, suited connectors, most suited KX, AX, Q8s+, AT+ some KJ/QJ, and you're at about 22-23% of total hands defending

Because it's not enough. If you vpip exactly 37.5% villain autoprofits opening 100%.

45% is also not a loose rfi from sb.

Correct and correct.

Many people open >45% (myself included) due to people being very very very bad and only defending 40% with a 3bet of like 9%. Very LOL stuff.

Yeah my average is +50% because people fold too much