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do you guys sense it, mirage starting to become jealous

Good stuff rapi, great to see you doing well

Don't worry about redline going up. It's pretty tough to have a growing redline unless you are massively exploiting in certain spots where people overfold and doing a lot of 4betting/5bet jamming (which is not even good strategy at anything less than 200z, regs simply don't 3 bet enough and don't 4 bet bluff). I remember OtB_RedBaron saying that positive redline at lowerstakes is not even good considering all the rake since very often you will end up sacrifing your showdown winnings just to slightly increase nonshowdown. Overall don't push unclear spots just cause it's fancy to have positive redline.

I heard average red line is only 5 inches

thx, guys! will keep doing my best!

yeah, lol. Funny to see a thread he trolls doing well, he is confused

btw, the magic cards I bought are here, gonna spend a while building decks and having fun. I got soooo happy when I saw those cards, it's amazing to see what I got with my effort, they costed me $800, but totally worth it. My volume will suffer, also because my brother will be on vacation so we will play some videogame. I'll see if I can play some sessions.

A+

we need more of your inputs mirage where are you?

Rapid whats your total hands at 200z now, can you post overall results.

50z since my last shot at that stake



100z



200z



all stakes since september




Obv running super hot at 200z and there's no way that's my winrate in there(4.3bbEV), sample size is super small. I expect it to be between 1-3bbev/100. Will probably need to play until the end of the year in there to have a somewhat reliable sample size in there.

Btw, found out one interesting thing:
My winrate over all those stakes was 2.71, but look at how many BBs I'm playing compared to EP/MP. It's not normal variance, I think it has to do with my habit of resetting stacks after I'm at 110bbs(lol nit haha). I hate playing deep, started doing it first because I knew I was a spew monkey and wanted to limit my losses. When I used to tilt, it wouldn't matter if I had 600bbs on the line, I would jam the river lol.

After a while that habit was really good because I was getting myself in a lot of the same spots by limiting the stack size, so I was way more consistent in learning those spots and getting out of trouble on new spots for more than 150bbs. But it seems it's costing me a lot, I'm playing 20% more bbs than UTGs.




By adding all the ev winrate from these positions, if they were equally distributed, I would have been winning by 3.28evbb/100, so I'm losing around 0.5bb/100 by refreshing those tables so fast.

This is my graph of when I played with more than 120bb stacks, obv sunrunning and lolsamplesize. But it's funny to see how crazy the redline is



Here is with 110bb+



Maybe it's like that because I usually play better right after stacking someone or that those hands are somewhat biased because whenever I get deep more often, the tables are usually more juicy.


I think that after seeing that, I'll quit resetting my stack so early, will reset after I have 120bbs. Losing 0.5bb/100 because of that fear of playing deep is ******ed. I also rarely have money tilts like I used too, so it's fine. I still think that I'm not that good of a deep stack player, prefer playing with 100bbs. Even though in theory my sick folds would make me a lot in those spots, by avoiding coolers and stuff. But I'm not confident enough, also I love the all-in sizing OTR, it limits a lot of villain's playability by denying their option of raise-bluffing.

Also with deeper stacks variance goes up a lot, and I have a weak mental game, because I usually tilt after winning and losing lol.

Love that rainbow thing, copied from people from BBV haha!

inb4 mirage starts playing as a 30/26 with 15% 3-bet! vaaaaaaaamo!

maybe it's gonna help him realize that sometimes bluffing your entire stack is +EV

This was my thought too. Although, I completely understand the nitty reluctance not to do so. Losing a stack in a situation where you think it's possible that you were spewing just feels bad lol

its more dangerous to never bluff and never get called by worse when valuebetting because of explo folds, then it looks youre spewing with AA

It sounds like you're sitting out the next hand once your stack gets up? What about sitting out next big blind? Sure, you may have to play a few more hands until you can sit out, but chances are you're not going to play a big pot against another deep stack in those few hands. And then you don't have to worry about being imbalanced in terms of hands from each position.

I always use sit out next bb

Btw, still on my little vacation from poker, but I'm taking a small part of the day to analyze the game of a very interesting reg at 200z.

His name is Elusivemark, at first, I thought that his game was sub-optimal, and I've heard that people at 500z don't respect his game a lot. But after playing some hands with him, I found out some stuff that he is doing that is really good. It's funny that one of my biggest strengths right now is that I'm capable of seeing the good in people. Back when I was a bad player, it was quite common for me to say "he is so bad", I can't remember the last time I said/thought like that about a reg. After getting humbled so much by poker, I finally learned to give credit to my opponents and learn with them, rather than trying to feel I'm better than they are.

He is what I consider to be "the best nit in the world", he is somewhat tight, fold a lot and play relatively tight pre-flop. He is capable of finding bluffs on a lot of spots and he isn't a pussy, he will bluff with those hands and even make some sick river jams as bluffs. So it's not obvious how we should play against him, he is not making the game easy for us(like some guys in the pool that 3-bet super tight and underbluff a lot). He 3-bets a lot too, probably more than I do.

About his post-flop game, he seems to be playing a more defensive strategy, specially on later streets(turn/river). He seems to be not valuebetting as thin/bluffing a lot, so he is on average not putting enough pressure on people's ranges. At first, I thought it wasn't that good, but that strat has a lot of benefits, specially vs better players. First, lets start with the weaknesses of that strat:

Weaknesses

By not valuebetting as thin, he limits his ability to bluff too, so on average, by taking more passive lines, he will win the pot less often. In poker, the goal of the game is getting what is in the middle by forcing your opponents to either fold a hand that isn't supposed to fold, or call a hand that isn't supposed to fight that much for that pot. By doing that strat, he will allow a lot of villains to check back and realize, as well as beat his 0 equity hands with weak SDV that shouldn't fight for the pot as much.

Strengths

By playing more passively in the later streets, he will end up with a very strong checking range that will respond to bets in a very different way than a normal river checking range will. Usually when people bet bet-check the river, they're heavy on give ups/SDV(just see benabadbeat's coffee bet and how successful that strat is), so vs that, villain can valuebet super thin and bluff a lot. Not saying they can overbluff always, vs a lot of people they can. But let's consider villain wants to valuebet enough and bluff enough putting max pressure on the checking range that he perceives to be weak.

Usually when doing that, villain will set a threshold on which hands he wants to make indifferent to calling. As an example, let's use a board like 24552, let's say villain wants to make any A high indifferent, because he expects us to have this range: some K high, 66-99, A highs and some 2x. He will have to valuebet some 66-99 to make that A high a breakeven call. Now imagine if we show up with some 5x, TT-AA in that spot where villain thought we would never have those hands, what will happen to his river strategy? Yeah, it will be very bad vs our range and he will valueown himself, he will be overbluffing as well, because some of his value range will be considered bluffs vs our range.

On top of that, the beauty of that strat is that it performs better vs better players. Vs a nit, he won't have the balls to valuebet thin and will check behind a lot, so the nit will end up playing really well vs that strat by not valuebetting as thin/bluffing into a protected range. Now vs good regular that knows he should still valuebet thin, if he fails to realize what Elusivemark is up to, then he will get owned.

Basically his strat forces both players to play with lower aggression frequencies OTT/OTR, he gives up EV to force villains to play more straightforwardly, and if they don't, they will get punished! It gets punished to the point where the check OTR could have even a higher EV than a bet, because his slowplays would still get the same value off villain's SDV + value off bluffs.

From what I've seen, it's a very clever way to deal with better regulars, quite interesting strat. Sure, vs weaker players it's suboptimal(so just don't use it vs them?), but when you know you're dealing with a tough opponent, that strat limits a lot how that guy can take advantage off you. Also there's the ego factor: usually very strong players have so much confidence that they wouldn't be careful in those spots and could easily get owned(and end up cursing the guy saying he is bad).

Usually I thought that the best way to fight tough opponents is with GTO strats, but it's really hard to do that, some simplifications like that are probably way easier to apply than that. I won't use that strat a lot, but I'll keep it in mind and will look for opportunities to use them vs players that are giving me a lot of trouble.

Some hands that I've played vs him:

H1: going for the vaaaamo! Very strong combo to do that, I need some x/r that will fold to a jam, if villain thinks I'm never folding when I x/r, he will have an easy time facing that play. People usually underbluff in that spot

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 106.88 BB
SB: 84.73 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 123.56 BB
MP: 232.52 BB
CO: 149.77 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.31 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, BTN calls 6.69 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) 2 9 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.79 BB, Hero raises to 29 BB, fold

Hero wins 34.71 BB


H2: One of his checks OTR, it's a valuebet, right? I got owned like crazy vs that, was valuebetting all my overpairs and probably some Tx

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.5 BB
SB: 173.63 BB
BB: 104 BB
UTG: 317.44 BB
MP: 53.12 BB
Hero (CO): 108.57 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) J 9 J
BB checks, Hero bets 1.62 BB, BB raises to 5.23 BB, Hero calls 3.62 BB

Turn: (15.6 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 7.71 BB, Hero calls 7.71 BB

River: (31.01 BB, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets 22.23 BB, BB calls 22.23 BB



H3: By not raising river he game some EV in there for sure, but if I 3-bet jam, than he is in a very tough spot. Vs very strong opponents in spots like that I'll try to play like that to avoid getting outplayed, because even though there's value in raising, there's also the factor of the skill edge between players. If I think villain is a better player than I am, he will probably reduce the EV of my river raise, maybe even getting to the point of being -EV. MMAsherdog said once that when playing OTB_redbaron, he just wants the hand to be over, so by calling we end the hand. Vs stronger opponents, if we're minimizing our losses vs them, it's a huge victory!

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103 BB
Hero (SB): 131.19 BB
BB: 270.81 BB
UTG: 141.73 BB
MP: 393.03 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) K Q 9
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: (6 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 3.76 BB, BB calls 3.76 BB

River: (13.52 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 9.64 BB, BB calls 9.64 BB




H4: good bluff imo

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 103.06 BB
SB: 277.54 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 48.59 BB
MP: 100.15 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 T

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) A 8 5
BB checks, Hero bets 1.62 BB, BB calls 1.62 BB

Turn: (8.37 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (8.37 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 5.57 BB, Hero calls 5.57 BB



H5: is my call ok? Or should I call with some better blockers? I think that's a spot a lot of people overbluff. He was raising flop a lot(20%), so I thought he had way less FDs in his calling range.

PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 81.76 BB
SB: 463.65 BB
BB: 101.77 BB
UTG: 112.66 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 136.04 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 7

fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.14 BB, 2 players) 2 6 2
BB checks, Hero bets 1.62 BB, BB calls 1.62 BB

Turn: (8.37 BB, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (8.37 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 11.13 BB, Hero calls 11.13 BB




That's it, guys! Do you agree with my thoughts? In which points do you think I'm wrong?
vaaaaaaaaaaaaamoooo!!

He's a RIO coach.... so confirmed bad

wtf? What about shiftyy, sauce, GALFOND?

https://youtu.be/5Hu_D_6viC0?t=19m41s

phil gandalf is such a legend haha!

Holy **** that was quite the tl;dr

So in 2018 rapidfish finally learned the concept of protecting his weaker range. lul

All the hands with that guy seemed standard? I don't understand what you are showing beyond that.

Every now and then he gets a hard on for random players that own him, like that whale a little while back. I'm sure it will be pass.

JK is a bet OTR imo, maybe check a small %?
Fh otr is always a raise unless if playing vs a very fold happy villain
there were other hands but couldnt find them

Missing the lolz. Updates?