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Originally Posted by Sasha Foxxx :)
I would love to hear the thinking behind the way yo played h9.
It's the most interesting hand of all I posted when it comes to strategy imo. United states of smash is way cooler than posting a wall of text saying the strat behind it haha! vaaamo!
OTF it's the most crucial part of the hand imo, I have 3 possible strategies that I can use on that board given my 3-bet range:
That's a board that is very good for the caller, so it's usually a good idea for me to check a lot of my range, because I won't be capable of betting wide with a high frequency. If my 3-bet range was tighter, I could do that, but since it isn't, then I'll have to make some checking
A) cbet polarized for a big sizing and go for 2 streets
With this strat I should check a lot with overpairs, give ups, weak SDV and bet polarized for an overbet with my hands that want to do so, which are:
Sets, JJ, QQ, KK(more checking with KK than betting), combo draws, and some random low equity bluffs like AdJx, KdQx, some strong FDs too
My checking range would have AA, some KK, some weaker FDs, straight draws, my garbage stuff and weak SDV that want to see showdown.
By doing that I don't leave my checking range unprotected, will put pressure on villain's range and will still have some check-raises. So it's quite hard to play vs that and I expect that strat to not give up so much EV or be exploited super easily.
B) bet a mergy range for a 50% sizing, still checking some, but less than on strat A
I think that's the best strat overall in theory, but it's the hardest to execute, we will go for 3 streets of value on a dynamics board and will be valuebetting thin with a good portion of our value. With that strat we should valuebet A8 OTF.
We should still have some slowplayed stuff OTF like AA/TT/KK and some FDs to still be capable of check-raising villain and protecting our checking range. That's the strat that has the least checking going on. But to do it effectively you should have a ton of mixing and balancing your betting and checking range really well, which is very hard.
If you try to do this a lot, you will easily end up with either overbluffing for cbet or with a very weak checking range, which both are terrible and opene yourself way more to get owned by villain, so I avoid using this strat, too hard to apply and usually I'll end up butchering and playing ******ed.
C) range checking OTF
That's the strat I mostly use in that spot, even though it's not a insanely terrible board for our range and it's overkill to just check everything, I think it's the easiest strat to apply in real time and also a lot of villains make a lot of mistakes vs that.
The drawback of that strat is that we leak EV by letting villain check back a lot and realize equity. Even if the board is good for him, we still have EV advantage because of all overpairs and our better A highs.
But a lot of players stab relentlessly on this board, so my strat ends up overealizing vs them. But vs smart people(or very tight ones that check back a lot because they're pussies), it's a bad strat.
Ok, so you know what I'm checking OTF, it goes check check, OTT a flush comes. That's really good for my range, because I have all the flushes and villain has none. In fact, most people will auto-bet all their FDs, sets, 2p OTF and most of their checking back range will be weak SDV + some random give ups. That's a big leak that most regs have(and I do to), so I can valuebet(and bluff) relentlessly in there for my sizing.
I'm betting with a high frequency in there OTT, to abuse that. Villain just split his range in 2 and he won't be able to defend properly vs my bet.
OTR a lot of my bluffs got there(AK), so I have at least now 30 combos of the effective nuts(any 9x is the nuts vs villain's range in there). So my strategy in there was to just overbet jam most of my range that got there.
This is a runnount that is insane for my range and that villain won't be capable of defending a mdf frequency, so gg. Some spots like that happen in poker and you gotta take advantage of that.
Now if you want to ask if I'm overbluffing or not, I don't know. I'm pretty sure villain should call all his 9x in there, now with his QJ, I don't know.
The thing here is that it's such a sick spot for villain and I have so much value that it's close to impossible for him to know if his QJ is a call in there.
He has to be right 40% of the time, but if I somehow am jamming my sets in there, some QJ for the split, it makes his call waaay worse. Also if I'm giving up some random bluffs or checking some SDV, for each one of those combos I give up, his call becomes increasingly worse insanely fast.
So if villain is an insane station(like the guy who called me with Q high), he will call river with JQ thinking like this: "well, I truly believe that this guy is a psychopath and is bluffing with every single combo possible in his range here, and is probably bluffing with a lot of things that he is turning into a bluff that don't beat me, if he is doing that, then this is probably a slightly above breakeven call" - call.
So villain will need to be insane to make this call lol. Or tilted haha
Now the biggest problem of the hand in villain's shoes isn't whether he should call of fold his 2p OTR, but how can he get to the river with some hands that he can call me with and avoid getting owned in there. The solution is simple: check back some FDs OTF, so you have at least some flushes in this runnout.
Vs an aggro opponent that knows which cards he can go nuts on, it's very good to have slowplays, specially in spots where most of the population is capped. I think that's the biggest difference between a normal reg like me and a top reg, they can show up with good hands in those spots. By having a flush in that runnout, he is making insane amounts of bbs with his slowplayed combos because of my read, so he will punish me a lot for making the play I made.
Betting OTF with your FD usually has a higher EV than checking back, for sure, but by doing that all the time, his range will lose a lot on runnouts like this. I like checking back some FDs OTF(and TT) vs some very tough players, doing it vs random fish or regfish is useless, just bet and get your pot. It's not like little timmy 19/18 will pull this off out of nowhere as a bluff lol.
Last edited by Rapidesh123; 07-02-2018 at 07:00 PM.