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Old 03-10-2017, 05:03 AM   #226
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

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Old 03-10-2017, 05:37 AM   #227
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4b pre too small
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Old 03-10-2017, 09:06 AM   #228
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fold flop
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:21 AM   #229
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

think folding a % of flop is okay, like some of those without backdoor flushdraws, but mistake happened pre where sizing was too small, and then compounded to later streets.

I doubt AQ, and QJ play like this, and we still have KK and AA in our range.
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Old 03-10-2017, 01:14 PM   #230
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think folding a % of flop is okay, like some of those without backdoor flushdraws, but mistake happened pre where sizing was too small, and then compounded to later streets.

I doubt AQ, and QJ play like this, and we still have KK and AA in our range.
I'm not folding TPTK in a 1.5 SPR pot, when I cold 4-betted a re-steal, only vs the king of nits, and this guy isn't a king of nits.
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Old 03-10-2017, 02:39 PM   #231
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I mean never fold flop
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Old 03-10-2017, 02:48 PM   #232
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I'm not folding TPTK in a 1.5 SPR pot, when I cold 4-betted a re-steal, only vs the king of nits, and this guy isn't a king of nits.
If you want to move beyond the micros, you have to make those kinds of folds. I don't see a hand that you beat that plays this way. At best, you're chopping against another AK.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:13 PM   #233
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Re: rapidesh123, the legend is back

Hand seems to be played fine. Calling flop then folding on this turn seems really bad and folding on the flop really doesn't seem to be a good play given our preflop sizing and that villain is aggressive.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:18 PM   #234
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If you want to move beyond the micros, you have to make those kinds of folds. I don't see a hand that you beat that plays this way. At best, you're chopping against another AK.
As I posted here, I make huge folds vs people who are never bluffing, even folded that set to a single raise, trips, overpairs facing check-raises OTT, river shoves, river raises.

But vs a 3-bet monkey I'm not folding the top of my range in a 4-bet pot, even, specially in steal dynamics, specially when villain knows I cold 4-bet light
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Old 03-10-2017, 05:36 PM   #235
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As I posted here, I make huge folds vs people who are never bluffing, even folded that set to a single raise, trips, overpairs facing check-raises OTT, river shoves, river raises.

But vs a 3-bet monkey I'm not folding the top of my range in a 4-bet pot, even, specially in steal dynamics, specially when villain knows I cold 4-bet light
He might be a 3bet monkey pre-flop, but that doesn't tell you anything about post-flop. He took the line that a typical microstakes player plays their monsters post-flop. He min-raised a board that smashes your range, hoping you would call with exactly the type of hand you had (which you did).

Anyway, maybe I'm completely wrong. That's just the way I see it.
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Old 03-10-2017, 08:02 PM   #236
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He might be a 3bet monkey pre-flop, but that doesn't tell you anything about post-flop. He took the line that a typical microstakes player plays their monsters post-flop. He min-raised a board that smashes your range, hoping you would call with exactly the type of hand you had (which you did).

Anyway, maybe I'm completely wrong. That's just the way I see it.
yeah, min-raises are always for value in the micros

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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 25.81, PFR: 17.87, 3Bet Preflop: 4.05, Hands: 414)
SB: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 20.92, PFR: 15.90, 3Bet Preflop: 7.45, Hands: 248)
BB: 113.68 BB (VPIP: 24.33, PFR: 18.98, 3Bet Preflop: 5.99, Hands: 431)
UTG: 104.48 BB (VPIP: 26.73, PFR: 21.24, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 429)
Hero (MP): 125.52 BB
CO: 138.28 BB (VPIP: 29.32, PFR: 21.99, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 194)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J A

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) J J T
Hero bets 5.2 BB, CO raises to 12.8 BB, Hero raises to 27 BB, fold

Hero wins 31.52 BB


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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
SB: 144.16 BB (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 16.77, 3Bet Preflop: 10.77, Hands: 341)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.55, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
UTG: 125.6 BB (VPIP: 29.87, PFR: 25.97, 3Bet Preflop: 17.02, Hands: 155)
MP: 121.92 BB (VPIP: 23.98, PFR: 18.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.66, Hands: 346)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.04 BB, 2 players) T 8 3
BB checks, Hero bets 3.52 BB, BB raises to 7.04 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, BB raises to 21 BB, Hero raises to 34 BB, BB calls 13 BB

Turn: (73.04 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (73.04 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero checks

BB shows 3 A (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 28%, Flop 81%, Turn 93%)
Hero mucks A J (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 72%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
BB wins 69.76 BB
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Old 03-10-2017, 08:31 PM   #237
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Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 11.76, PFR: 8.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
SB: 144.16 BB (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 16.77, 3Bet Preflop: 10.77, Hands: 341)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.55, PFR: 15.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
UTG: 125.6 BB (VPIP: 29.87, PFR: 25.97, 3Bet Preflop: 17.02, Hands: 155)
MP: 121.92 BB (VPIP: 23.98, PFR: 18.13, 3Bet Preflop: 8.66, Hands: 346)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.32 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 1.32 BB

Flop: (5.04 BB, 2 players) T 8 3
BB checks, Hero bets 3.52 BB, BB raises to 7.04 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, BB raises to 21 BB, Hero raises to 34 BB, BB calls 13 BB

Turn: (73.04 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (73.04 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero checks

BB shows 3 A (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 28%, Flop 81%, Turn 93%)
Hero mucks A J (High Card, Ace)
(Pre 72%, Flop 19%, Turn 7%)
BB wins 69.76 BB
This is one of the most absurd hands of poker I've ever seen in my life.
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:37 PM   #238
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Why would you 3 bet AJ on that flop
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:49 PM   #239
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Why would you 3 bet AJ on that flop
Why do you ONLY slate people? Does it make you feel big? Post constructive feedback for once in your life instead of trying to make yourself look good.
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Old 03-10-2017, 11:55 PM   #240
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Why do you ONLY slate people? Does it make you feel big? Post constructive feedback for once in your life instead of trying to make yourself look good.
Pardon?

Why are you so angry? It's a legitimate question, we have top trips and great equity vs everything apart from JT and TT. Why do we want to fold out his bluffs.

I am pretty far from only slating people. Please don't be an idiot.
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:02 AM   #241
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I'm not angry, I'm asking you a question. Every single post I read from you is you patronising others with blunt responses that aren't at all constructive. How do you expect a player to learn from what you are telling them? You don't, because you don't give it out to help them improve, you literally comment the ****ty feedback to make yourself feel superior to them/show how good you are. It's so obv, and so tilting, hence my comment.
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Old 03-11-2017, 12:32 AM   #242
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yeah, min-raises are always for value in the micros
"typical micro player" =/= "micro player's minr is always for value". plz get over yourself.
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Old 03-11-2017, 03:14 AM   #243
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Wasn`t that Aj hand played between OTB and bit2easy ? Is anyone here filtering the information is reading ? This forum is gold for the ones that really want to put in the effort and improve, which is probably less than 1% of all people posting here.
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Old 03-11-2017, 04:31 AM   #244
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This is one of the most absurd hands of poker I've ever seen in my life.
I guess you haven't been reading the thread up until now then
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Old 03-11-2017, 04:38 AM   #245
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Why do you ONLY slate people? Does it make you feel big? Post constructive feedback for once in your life instead of trying to make yourself look good.
thanks man!
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Old 03-11-2017, 04:40 AM   #246
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Why would you 3 bet AJ on that flop
it's something people sometimes do
this hand could go into check-check mode until the river, but I found a guy that played like me and the madness began OTF, then both players thought that the other had a monster.

Then we both gave up, thinking the other was slowplaying to induce spew(one of the reasons we usually get punished by villains) lol!
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Old 03-11-2017, 04:43 AM   #247
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BTW, bankroll is at $350,
got it up to $450 in the first 4 hours, was playing really well, but in the last 6 hours played poorly and lost $100.

ofc ran good, sad that I spew so much of that

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Old 03-11-2017, 04:56 AM   #248
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Is it fine to get it in always AK in steal dynamics vs CO?
I'm not sure if I should keep doing, just getting destroyed every time
what about UTG vs BTN?

UTG vs blinds I'm sure it's wrong, right?


PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100.69 BB (VPIP: 24.95, PFR: 17.50, 3Bet Preflop: 6.11, Hands: 539)
SB: 180.38 BB (VPIP: 29.50, PFR: 21.58, 3Bet Preflop: 1.89, Hands: 143)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 950.5 BB (VPIP: 26.54, PFR: 20.39, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 367)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 27.29, PFR: 19.66, 3Bet Preflop: 7.84, Hands: 684)
CO: 532.5 BB (VPIP: 33.46, PFR: 26.17, 3Bet Preflop: 17.35, Hands: 262)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, fold, Hero raises to 18 BB, CO raises to 532.5 BB and is all-in, fold, Hero calls 82 BB and is all-in

Flop: (207.5 BB, 2 players) 5 Q T

Turn: (207.5 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (207.5 BB, 2 players) K
Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (207.5 BB, 2 players) 6 4 8

Turn #2: (207.5 BB, 2 players) 6

River #2: (207.5 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows A K (One Pair, Kings)
Board #1 (Pre 7%, Flop 17%, Turn 9%)
(One Pair, Sixes)
Board #2 (Pre 5%, Flop 1%, Turn 0%)

CO shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
Board #1 (Pre 93%, Flop 83%, Turn 91%)
(Two Pair, Aces and Sixes)
Board #2 (Pre 95%, Flop 99%, Turn 100%)

CO wins 99.13 BB
CO wins 99.06 BB
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Old 03-11-2017, 05:07 AM   #249
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More crucial spots to worry about than that one


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Which do you think they are?

I'm confused when I'm in single-raised pots on steal dynamics, usually don't know what to do.

Sometimes I decide to bluff, fight for the pot, make some lighter calls, but it usually goes bad.

Sometimes I fight 0 for the pot and I feel people are running me over, I don't know what to do when SB steals and I'm the BB and flat its steals, so I mostly 3-bet them.

Here are some examples of hands I played by calling steals today.

do I check the river to induce bluffs? Should I check-fold the river(vs a TPTK/overpair bet-check-bet line?) Should I bet the river for value?


PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 177.44 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
Hero (SB): 102.81 BB
BB: 189.94 BB (VPIP: 19.57, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)
UTG: 229.75 BB
MP: 133.88 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 218.44 BB (VPIP: 10.48, PFR: 7.62, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 106)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 7 5 5
Hero checks, CO bets 4.44 BB, Hero calls 4.44 BB

Turn: (15.88 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (15.88 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO checks

Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 83%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
CO mucks T T (Two Pair, Tens and Fives)
(Pre 17%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 15.19 BB



Should I call the flop? Also I should probably fold the turn, right?

PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 194.38 BB (VPIP: 18.56, PFR: 14.96, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 375)
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 143.81 BB (VPIP: 30.56, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 37)
UTG: 47.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
MP: 102.25 BB (VPIP: 20.62, PFR: 12.71, 3Bet Preflop: 7.26, Hands: 295)
CO: 181.13 BB (VPIP: 18.06, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 73)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 4 2 2
Hero checks, CO bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Turn: (15 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets 7.19 BB, Hero calls 7.19 BB

River: (29.38 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, CO bets 14.06 BB, Hero calls 14.06 BB

Spoiler:



Is this river call fine?

PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 119.75 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 43)
SB: 59.13 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): 106.31 BB
UTG: 185.31 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: 139.38 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
CO: 331.44 BB (VPIP: 23.89, PFR: 14.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 254)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 T

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) A 3 9
SB bets 2.88 BB, Hero calls 2.88 BB

Turn: (11.75 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (11.75 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

Spoiler:



Is a float OTF ok?(thought about barreling some gutshots OTT) Also is flatting trash hands IP vs min-raises fine?

PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 95.75 BB (VPIP: 11.97, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 119)
SB: 112 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 108.94 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: 44.88 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
CO: 135.44 BB (VPIP: 19.36, PFR: 14.32, 3Bet Preflop: 9.21, Hands: 389)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 2

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 6 A K
SB checks, Hero bets 1.94 BB, SB calls 1.94 BB

Turn: (7.88 BB, 2 players) 8
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (7.88 BB, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:



Should we bet KJ OTF after checked to? I think my float bet frequency is super high and Kx has some showdown value here, so if villain knows we're always betting when checked to, they can always check their value hands and own us.

PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 201.69 BB (VPIP: 20.59, PFR: 16.91, 3Bet Preflop: 1.92, Hands: 139)
SB: 107.13 BB (VPIP: 24.54, PFR: 17.04, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 495)
Hero (BB): 102.06 BB
UTG: 260.44 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 88)
MP: 89.56 BB (VPIP: 41.67, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.39, PFR: 10.99, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 92)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J K

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.5 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) 6 7 6
SB checks, Hero bets 2.44 BB, fold

Hero wins 4.75 BB

Should I fold the river? Or the turn?

PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.48, PFR: 13.65, 3Bet Preflop: 4.90, Hands: 256)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 10.14, Hands: 330)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 149.25 BB (VPIP: 16.73, PFR: 12.35, 3Bet Preflop: 2.75, Hands: 260)
MP: 208.63 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 21)
CO: 199.25 BB (VPIP: 25.10, PFR: 20.40, 3Bet Preflop: 9.50, Hands: 1,239)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 7

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4 BB, 2 players) 4 4 7
SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Turn: (8 BB, 2 players) 4
SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (16 BB, 2 players) 5
SB bets 8 BB, Hero calls 8 BB

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Sorry if those spots are too basic, but they're the ones I struggle the most, since the way I learned poker was a mix of fit-or-fold/bluffing like a monkey. When I started playing, I only flatted pre AQ and PPs to setmine, so I didn't develop that part of my post-flop skills: playing pots with marginal hands.

I basically had the nuts(set), or a check-fold hand, that I could either check-fold or turn into a bluff, so I don't know when to hero call. I've been trying to force myself to call more and try to find some bluffs, but they rarely show up.

But on the other hand, I feel I'm getting bluffed a lot, specially on these spots.

The good thing is that I know how to fold pretty well lol. In theory, that + valuebetting should be enough to beat the micros, but I'll never be good if I can't call turn and river barrels with marginal sdv hands when the time is needed, right?
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