You mean that was a legit fold? christ, one of the worst folders ever.

yeah it is a terrible fold, I'm not sure what you were thinking

I've been saying it all along, rapid is one hell of a troll.

copied this over from BBV because it's better to talk here

What?! How is a 875r flop scary in a 4bet pot? lol

So much ******ation there.

Thread keeps getting better, I predict 5 stars soon

By that logic he should jam AA pre as well. I can totally see a 21/10 being scared pre and then deciding hes not folding at 1spr so he just puts the money in

btw boys, get ready!
Found a similar hand I played vs villain lol

sooooo sad =((((((


PokerStars - $2 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 160.47 BB
SB: 220.9 BB
BB: 94.8 BB
UTG: 100.87 BB
MP: 226.86 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 10 BB, MP calls 10 BB

Flop: (40.5 BB, 3 players) 9 6 9
UTG bets 87 BB, fold, Hero calls 87 BB and is all-in

Turn: (214.5 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (214.5 BB, 2 players) 8

Villain doing this with QQ just makes it reasonable he also did it with JJ/QQ in KK hand which makes KK fold worse

where are the graphs? GLGL

+1

Just a few more days until I make a monthly update

Btw, played today and asked the guy about the kk hand, he replied with:
"dont know, what was the desk?" Loooool

Did he mean the flop? lol.

Yes lol, but w are still missing some info, the reg that was in the pot probably had JJ/QQ, if he had QQ, then the fold was likely good. MMentalist, where are you?

Almost seems like you're purposely making the most ridiculous folds possible now just so you can troll people in your own thread... each to their own but if you hate money that much you could give to charity.

So you persist in thinking ur fold was fine?

Vs a very specific player type, if youre folding KK, its in that spot. Ofc the fold was bad because I didnt have enough data on the guy and didnt even consider that he started the hand with less than 100bb.

But its a closer spot than you might think, vs a player that knows he shouldnt be calling the 4bet preflop and just playing jam or fold, if he calls, we should give him a range thats always aa/kk because every other hand that calls there is -ev. If youre automatically stacking off in those spots without at least pondering a fold, youre playing suboptimally vs people playing exploitative lines.

You shouldnt be thinking about folding, just about ranges and optiomal plays. On top you run such massive exploits without considering Sample nor Stacksize? That Fold is criminal, this Spot vs non Regs is a Prime Example where you automatically Stackoff.

If villain would construct an optimal flat calling pre-flop range in that spot, which hands would he include there?

If someone cold calls a 4b in these positions he is most likely a recreational or bad reg, and I would say it is almost always TT-QQ or AK and some AA/KK. Also some random nonsense ofc.

and the AA wouldn't just open shove the flop to fold out all your bluffs

I've seen that. Yeah, AA would typically cold 5bet jam, unless he's some super good player reading that Rapidesh would fold everything else except AA twin in that spot.

Or he might, I've certainly see that in lower stakes in some occasions.

who is bluffing post-flop vs someone that cold calls a 4-bet in these positions? lol.

What do you think I was doing OTF if checked to with QQ?(and possibly KK)

he wasn't bluffing, he was value shoving worse than your KK obviously

Stop speculating, you degens (!!) Rapidesh, you know I'm cool 'w you, but had to bring up the degen-shaming. What I mean is, you have 150k+ h database at your stake, stop speculating, extract out the exact statistics. a)How often does an UTG or MP pfrs & cold call 4bet?* Probably rarely in the situations it could've done the particular play. b)To what range of hands does it correlate? Prob. AA, but does the data confirm this?

Btw, I'll agree with Rapidesh on this hand. The play by the enemy simply smells of AA trying to play fancy and not 5bet jamming, hoping you'd stack off /w weaker in this play and being afraid you'd fold all but AA-twin to 5bet jam.

*if your DB is even higher, do the same but with UTG being similar player types than the villain in question only.