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Old 02-26-2015, 05:02 AM   #76
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Hello pokerenginer,

Im learning with pokersnowie too now at the moment. Preflop game is pretty easy to master. I see I play with same VPIP and PFR as your stats show. I only wonder why you 3bet % is aound 7? Mine is around 5 and im following pokersnowie strategy. Maybe its because I now only tested it at 25 NL zoom.
My 3bet is higher cause i 3bet more for bluff than Snowie does. This isn't big mistake for Snowie. If you check it, some hands are very close in EV when you want to fold or 3bet bluff. Like 0.00bb EV FOLD and -0.02bb EV RAISE.

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So in a short question. Can you please describe how you can get such few pokersnowie errors now?
With 6 months 8 hour training
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Old 02-26-2015, 05:06 AM   #77
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What I also dont understand is how you can get $ 180 rakeback by playing only 4 k hands of 100 NL. At stars you get hardly anything for that...
Dont know the answer man. Holdem manager calculate the rake, i have 60% rb so 180$ is the rakeback. And it was pretty accurate compared to the real rakeback i got.
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Old 02-26-2015, 05:12 AM   #78
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Hi Poker Engineer! Really like your thread, interesting point of view you've got. Gonna subscribe!
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:11 AM   #79
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Hi Poker Engineer! Really like your thread, interesting point of view you've got. Gonna subscribe!
Ty man...welcome
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you should post your stats by # of players like i told you

his 6 handed winrate is very high, hes only losing his profits at 5 handed and less. too much snowie 6max work
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Old 02-26-2015, 11:22 AM   #81
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I'm probably getting trolled, but wouldn't it just be like 6max without utg?
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Old 02-26-2015, 01:44 PM   #82
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Thanks for the answer man. You mean 8 hours per month for 6 months so total of 48 hours?

BTW how did you first sessions go?
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Old 02-26-2015, 02:01 PM   #83
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Thanks for the answer man. You mean 8 hours per month for 6 months so total of 48 hours?

BTW how did you first sessions go?


Hahahah

You can't be serious, can you. If you want to achieve great result in anything(including poker) 4-5 hours a day it's absolutely minimum.
By the way, I would love to get such a results with Snowie after just 48 hours. I don't thing it's possible to anyone though.

Good luck on your journey with Snowie. It's a great tool. Definitely worth spending a time with. But it's just a tool. It's not going to make you a constant winner. You will have to make your own adjustment depending on a game you play.
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Old 02-26-2015, 03:12 PM   #84
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you should post your stats by # of players like i told you

his 6 handed winrate is very high, hes only losing his profits at 5 handed and less. too much snowie 6max work
The sample is very small man. You showed me 4.7k hands in 5-handed and 6k hands in 4-handed. Maybe it doesn't mean anything or i dont adjust properly cause of multitabling.

Snowie hasn't to do with 6max or 5max. Actually it's exactly the opposite. Snowie is much better player on HU format than 6max, and better on 6max than 9max. It is very likely that Snowie is a bit closer to the true solution for heads-up.(Of course HU rake is hard to beat)
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Old 02-26-2015, 03:16 PM   #85
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Thanks for the answer man. You mean 8 hours per month for 6 months so total of 48 hours?

BTW how did you first sessions go?
Per day I mean. But it depends on the person i guess.

Haven't start on ipoker yet. I m thinking of quit ipoker and start in some smaller networks or french/italian ipoker till i see what's going on with the rakeback.
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Old 02-26-2015, 03:29 PM   #86
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Best of luck
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Old 02-27-2015, 07:32 AM   #87
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Hi OP,

Been working with snowie for almost a year now and it def was a factor to beat 50nlz (low winrate though). Now playing 100nlz (2.5bb/100 in 100K hands). I reviewed every single session with snowie and got an averag rating of WC (around 6). My ideas: (and i 'll copypaste some prev comments due to very accurate)

+ usefull tool that has a good defending strategy and teaches a way to play somehow balanced
- it advocates calls in spots where the average population (or in fact that type of player) is never bluffing, bluffs in spots where you have 0 FE and doens't go for thin value enough. It just doens't take specific players and their ranges into account.

Altough it def helped me reaching 100z i will not prolonge my subscription as i have the feeling that it won't teach me something extra. I also think it's a tool for the kind of lazy pokerplayer (mea culpa) who doesn't want to do the extra effort f.e. writing out ranges, doing deep HH reviews. Constantly doing your own research is imo the thing that will bring you to next level. Poker is a game of human adjustments and Snowie is just a programm.
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Old 03-01-2015, 07:49 AM   #88
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Hi OP,

Been working with snowie for almost a year now and it def was a factor to beat 50nlz (low winrate though). Now playing 100nlz (2.5bb/100 in 100K hands). I reviewed every single session with snowie and got an averag rating of WC (around 6). My ideas: (and i 'll copypaste some prev comments due to very accurate)

+ usefull tool that has a good defending strategy and teaches a way to play somehow balanced
- it advocates calls in spots where the average population (or in fact that type of player) is never bluffing, bluffs in spots where you have 0 FE and doens't go for thin value enough. It just doens't take specific players and their ranges into account.

Altough it def helped me reaching 100z i will not prolonge my subscription as i have the feeling that it won't teach me something extra. I also think it's a tool for the kind of lazy pokerplayer (mea culpa) who doesn't want to do the extra effort f.e. writing out ranges, doing deep HH reviews. Constantly doing your own research is imo the thing that will bring you to next level. Poker is a game of human adjustments and Snowie is just a programm.
I agree 100% man, ty for sharing your thoughts and experience with us
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:46 AM   #89
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Great thread!
Just bought Snowie and really like it so far.
Will follow (might even start similair thread).
Good luck, OP!
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Old 03-17-2015, 03:24 AM   #90
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Great thread i'm awful losing/breakeven player at the micros I've been messing with snowie it's ranges seem really tight and seems to advocate a weaker style. Not sure how right this is, the site I play on doesn't let me use huds can I still benefit from using this in your experience?
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Old 03-17-2015, 09:31 AM   #91
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Great thread i'm awful losing/breakeven player at the micros I've been messing with snowie it's ranges seem really tight and seems to advocate a weaker style. Not sure how right this is, the site I play on doesn't let me use huds can I still benefit from using this in your experience?
Hello my friend,
First of all gl in your effort at the micros. Well if you take a look on the first pages of the thread you can see that Snowie's game is not the best choice for micros. Of course without a hud it is not easy, probably you should just try a very tight abc strategy because bluffing and balancing ranges in a soft site's micro stakes doesn't sounds like very good option
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:00 PM   #92
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Re: PokerSnowie student on the road for NL1000 ipoker

What is cost to buy and import 20.000-50.000 hands per month in Poker snowie
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:50 PM   #93
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PokerSnowie prices
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Old 03-17-2015, 10:28 PM   #94
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Hello guys, did you miss me ?

First of all sorry for not update for so long but the things was a bit weird for me from the time I quit ipoker. So let me tell you my news in a few lines...

First of all I succeed in my last lesson and finally took my degree in civil engineering after 7 years of studies! I m very happy from one hand but from the other the economical crisis in Greece doesn't let me many options. For the next 1-2 years I ll focus on poker full time and I hope sometime in the future ,when the conditions are better, to work as civil engineer.

Now about poker...In the first days of March I needed some easy fast money to cover some expenses (without hurt my bankroll) so I grind up a ton on planetwin365 NL50. Usable software, good rakeback and a small cash race was enough for me. Of course I didn't play a lot of Snowie in there and this is why I didn't update. I ll post the results just for the records...


So what's next...
I decided to move all my poker bankroll to the french ipoker (Turbopoker). I ll play NL100 there and hope some NL200 soon. I ll try to use Snowie as much as possible in order to continue my challenge. Second thing, I accepted a staking deal with great terms on an italian soft network. Probably I m not going to play a lot Snowie game in there, it's more for bumhunting but I think it is a very good alternative and it could give my bankroll a good boost on the way for higher stakes.

So let's stick to Turbopoker for now, here is the first session...




Played pretty good I think, some lost coinflips didn't let me make a good score but no worries...I ll be back next days with some hands for discussion, until then gl at the tables
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what do you think of the bots on planetwin

You seem to have done well against them woah.
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Old 03-18-2015, 12:47 PM   #96
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Hey man , I trained extensively with snowie also and used to get ET level or low worldclass level so between 2.5 and 5 maybe 6 error level in pretty much every session I played . But when I filtered for bigger pots I was doing much worse more like 9 or 10 error level avg

What I mean by this is it's really pretty easy to get a low error rate from playing snowie strategy preflop and in small pots and this is the vast majority of hands so it can make your overall error rate low .

I think you def need to use the filters to pinpoint where you may be making mistakes away from the easily learnable preflop and flop strategies.

Also , like if a hand is 70% bet and 30% check and you're always betting it , then this becomes a compounded mistake and that sort of thing is hard to spot . I know it's impossible to play the exact frequencies of snowie but I feel like if you're always 4 betting , for example , in a spot where it says 4bet 65% of the time and fold 35% then that could add up to a big mistake

Interested to follow because I was a small winner at 100nl zoom from studying with snowie but I lost heavily at 200nl zoom over a smallish sample . Then I went back to mtts

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Old 03-18-2015, 04:28 PM   #97
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First of all I succeed in my last lesson and finally took my degree in civil engineering after 7 years of studies! I m very happy from one hand but from the other the economical crisis in Greece doesn't let me many options. For the next 1-2 years I ll focus on poker full time and I hope sometime in the future ,when the conditions are better, to work as civil engineer.
Have you considered moving?
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Old 03-19-2015, 07:08 AM   #98
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Hey man , I trained extensively with snowie also and used to get ET level or low worldclass level so between 2.5 and 5 maybe 6 error level in pretty much every session I played . But when I filtered for bigger pots I was doing much worse more like 9 or 10 error level avg
This makes sense, but part of the problem is the way that "error rate" is calculated, which isn't - as far as I know - precisely explained anywhere. It's pretty clear that it's based on the size of the errors in BBs and how often you make them, but it's obvious that it's possible to make a bad call on the river that costs you 50bb in EV, whereas it's really hard to make a 50bb error pre-flop, unless you're open jamming 32o or something ridiculous.
Making correct river decisions is obviously crucial to achieving a high winrate (and a low error rate in Snowie) but I agree with you that it seems one way to achieve a lower error rate is to be more passive and not build big pots in the first place. When I do a Snowie challenge and get the ET rating, it's usually because I was card dead! It's only when I'm getting playable cards that I have the opportunity to make mistakes!
Thoroughly understanding the pre-flop strategy is obviously important, of course. It's easier to make big mistakes post-flop if you have a sub-optimal range to begin with.
It's a great idea to use the filters, though, as you suggested. I also like to check how balanced I am on the turn and river, because pre-flop and the flop are relatively easy to get correct.
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river call quality is the least important imo. i have the ****tiest river call effectiveness in the world and i still win with pretty good winrates.
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Old 03-19-2015, 12:21 PM   #100
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This makes sense, but part of the problem is the way that "error rate" is calculated, which isn't - as far as I know - precisely explained anywhere. It's pretty clear that it's based on the size of the errors in BBs and how often you make them, but it's obvious that it's possible to make a bad call on the river that costs you 50bb in EV, whereas it's really hard to make a 50bb error pre-flop, unless you're open jamming 32o or something ridiculous.
Making correct river decisions is obviously crucial to achieving a high winrate (and a low error rate in Snowie) but I agree with you that it seems one way to achieve a lower error rate is to be more passive and not build big pots in the first place. When I do a Snowie challenge and get the ET rating, it's usually because I was card dead! It's only when I'm getting playable cards that I have the opportunity to make mistakes!
Thoroughly understanding the pre-flop strategy is obviously important, of course. It's easier to make big mistakes post-flop if you have a sub-optimal range to begin with.
It's a great idea to use the filters, though, as you suggested. I also like to check how balanced I am on the turn and river, because pre-flop and the flop are relatively easy to get correct.
Yes being card dead is a great way to achieve a low error rate

I often found I'd get my lowest error rate after a horrible losing session where nothing worked out and I lost endlessly. Similarly , after a great session I'd often get a relatively high error rate from all those big pots where I stacked someone and maybe I should have folded or c/c instead of c/r etc . I would have stopped using pokersnowie but it's advice always made sense to me so I perservered but it can be very very frustrating at times
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