The reason snowie checks a lot though is that assumes calling ranges are very tight so it is assuming villains ranges are much stronger.

Since villains usually call much wider it makes sense to both value bet thinner and also cbet bluff more.

From memory snowie folds hands like 99 in UTG+1 to an UTG open in a 9 handed game. The calling range is like TT and AQs and that's it. It is quite aggressive with 3 bets but it doesn't call much except from the big blind.

Do you mean that I thought it was villain who raised 4 bet? I missed the word call in my first sentence and maybe this is confusion about. I wrote after that we need a bigger hand to call a 4 bet, otherwise he would raise or fold. I'm not saying you move was wrong, I was just trying to explain the Snowie's decision.

Indeed, I only considered the range where Snowie advises Villain to raise 100% of the time. Ok, this is something which is not clear about Snowie for me. I will be happy to get your comments. Anyway...
I've asked Snowie support how to exactly should I interpret these numbers. The reply was, these numbers are the borderline which I should raise from time to time, depending on a situation and opponent. Meaning I can raise less, much less, or nor raise at all, if the situation requires, but never more. In this case, considering short stack, I assumed that Snowie would raise minimal percentage of the hand with just an option to raise. I might be wrong though.


After you gave a HUD detail the preflop raise makes more sense. I decided to run this scenario and I see it know. I think I didn't pay much attention before that the villain was on a BB with a wide range. Hero was on a Button with a lot of Q and 9 in a range. Also whem T comes, it's another great opportunuty to bluff, as we have a lot of Ts in our range and to secure our bluff. Bluff on a river is more understandable for me now, but Snowie suggested the villain to call.

I've run this csenario again putting villain on a tighter range(CO). As I expected Snowie suggested villain to check/raise flop and Turn, and check/ call a all-in from the Button.

Did you agree with my assessment of last two hands in another post?

Have you ever tried using Snowie strategy in Sng or MTT? This is pretty much a reason why I started with Snowie. I know ICM pretty well, so I decided to improve my postflop game.

Good luck with your session.

Did it help you with SNG game ?

I haven't played any SnG since I started working with Snowie. But I definitely start noticing postflop mistakes I wasn't aware of before. I had a good preflop strategy and pretty good understanding of ICM. But my postflop strategy was to be very aggressive, c-bet 70-80%, betting medium and strong hands on every street and slow-playing big hands. Not very impressing. So in this case Snowie helps a lot.

Interesting, subbed ..

Bear in mind that Snowie is not a replacement for an ICM. In terms of preflop it only works for early stages. In a later stages the stack sizes and blinds dictate the preflop strategy. I will try to play in a future with freezeout(its like a tournament but blinds stay the same), but I've read then Snowie doesnt play well against of shorter or deeper stacks, so I dont have a big expectations.

Hello again guys.

Sorry for not update last couple of days. Exam period for university is coming and need to study a lot...so boring

Well about the questions for Snowie in MTTs and Sngs. Firstly I have to say that I used Snowie challenge mode only for 100bb deep, so I m not an expert on Snowie's shortstack game but I ll share my thoughts with you.

I believe that Snowie doesn't worth try in Sngs and mostly in MTTs especially in micro-low and midstakes. Balanced game in mtts is a bul*it. MTTs are full of donks, nits, bad regs etc. Even the good regs have HUGE leaks in postflop game. You can just exploit their tendencies, it's a LOT LOT more +EV. Also there is no point at all to ''balance'' your ranges since the you probably never see again the same opponents. As for Sngs, as you said Snowie doesn't know ICM. And also I strongly believe that Snowie doesn't play very well vs shortstacks, but I cannot prove it...even at cash games many times I don't follow Snowie vs shorts.

Update
Reached the 14k hands. In my last sessions I cut the NL200 tables and played more NL100 speed (after your suggestion )

With few words, I am happy enough cause day by day I gain confidence. I believed I played my A game in last 3 sessions, avoid big mistakes and keeped my error rate low. I made some adjustments vs shortstacks too (against Snowie). The bad news are that I run bad.

Results
Profit +135$ (EV line +458$)
Error rate 3.95
Hands 3800






I ll make a summary when I reach 20k hands. I ll post my stats per position as well.

Some interesting hands...

I agree with you about that. I should have asked you more accurate question. What I meant was... If you just sat at the table and had no stats and no any read on your opponents, would you just play an optimal game until you get to know you opponents better? It's always been suggested to play tight at the begging of the tournaments, but I don't know if 6max ranges suggested by Snowie are tight enough, as I played full ring so far.

Anyway, good luck with your studies and keep posting (maybe not too much with a last one, as studying should be first in my opinion).

Very interesting thread and looking forward to following.

I downloaded the free trial yesterday and will explore it a lot this week.

I got your point now. Well probably yes, Snowie's game style should be good in that case, especially if you play with deep stacks. Also Snowie pot control a lot which I believe it might be good in MTTs. I cannot judge Snowie's push/folding ranges for shortstacks though (I never played shortstack strategy).

P.S. Sorry for my last HUGE post, I m new to forum posting

Interesting experiment. I was going to try something similar, as I've been practising with Snowie for a few months, but found it wasn't leading to a great winrate in the micros. I think there's more money to be made by deviating from Snowie lines, in order to exploit the unbalanced/predictable players.
Your error rate is impressive. Getting the "ET" rating over large sample sizes is amazing, and would probably make you a very tough opponent for players at higher stakes, so I'm very interested to see if playing this way will enable you to build up a bankroll.

Hello guys, time for update !

First of all thank you all for your interest in my challenge.

Few words for last days. Great last sessions in speed NL100. I played 5 tables, won approx 900$ (1300$ in EV). Bad news that I couldn't keep the volume I should had played. So for that reason I m going to set some volume targets each week and post them here in order to be more motivated.

Session results
Hands 7700
Profit +887$
Bankroll 3090$
Error rate





I know i promised post some position stats...i ll do it by the end of the month in order to have bigger sample. I also post the NL20 hands i promised to TheRider...

Total hands 20k
Volume target till 31th of Jan-->Reach the 40k hands

Nice work.
How many challenge hands did you put in before getting that low an error rate?

It's not only the challenge hands. The most important is what you will do with them?? Study them and analyze them correctly is biggest part of your training. Understand why Snowie is making each move, what assumptions is it making for the opponent. In that way you can always play a solid balanced game, but sometimes adjust your strategy to exploit someone weakness as well (because you ll know that Snowie's assumptions are wrong against a specific player).

P.S. Not sure but I estimate more than 500k challenge hands

Updates?

GL

Do you thing that snowie is exploitable?
I played a lot with it and it reacts bad to 3 bets, i made like 20bbs 100 playing 40-30 style full ring

You'd need an extreme amount of hands to determine true winrate. How many hands did you play?

I have no opinion on Snowie's strength.

Hello guys, time for update

Sorry for haven't update sooner, but studies and grinding on the same time can be really exhausted.

So I here are my sessions after 21th of Jan. Around 10k hands, had some losses and running again under EV line. Good news, I keeped my error rate really low. I think I played well in overall. I could had avoid some spewy Snowie moves vs some nits/shortstacks. The swing is around 6 buyins (i play in euros) and I hope it's normal for these stakes and not result of my game.

Results
Hands 9889
Profit -752$ (EV line -455$)
Error rate 3.64







In total we got 30k hands till now...on the way to 40k

with that blueline you probably cant win over that sample

Snowie isn't true GTO, it's just a very good gto approach. Of course it's exploitable from top class players. You said that you win the machine with a LAG style. I agree that Snowie have lot of ''bugs-weaknesses''...like not react good to very big or very small sizes, playing vs shortstacks etc.

But you miss something here. You maybe exploit these bugs vs the machine, but vs a real Snowie player these things wont gonna work. Everyone will use a HUD and also adjust somehow to the strange sizes,3bets etc. Snowie never adjusts but this cannot be correct on the real world. You can play a pretty balanced game but adjust against huge tendencies is still important

It's still a small sample size, so variance has a lot to do with it, but it's starting to look like players are still very exploitable at your stakes and that Snowie would not do well against them. If you want to make money, I think you'll have to deviate somewhat from what you've learned from Snowie.
That said, if you're playing on iPoker, about the best you can hope for is to become a breakeven rakeback grinder. Isn't 100NL Speed Poker virtually impossible for anyone to beat?

Yes I think you re right. Well I don't listen to Snowie 100%, I know some of my moves are against Snowie...so I try to adjust sometimes.

I don't know if I can win speed NL100...I don't have any experience of midstakes till now so probably you re right again. What stakes are the most suitable for Snowie in your opinion ?

If Snowie is balanced, it's not that they don't beat lower stakes it just means you'll miss out on some very easy/profitable exploits.

Intuitively, I guess Snowie is best against more balanced villains, but then might fall apart slightly at the highest levels.

And when I say best, I just mean it might be a better idea to stick strictly to Snowie at those stakes. As opposed to lower or higher. Arbitrarily o guess 400-600NL I have in mind here.

Use snowies advice when you are unsure and deviate when you are certain you know how to exploit villains unbalanced strategy?