wtf?

Think.

Another "herofold". Im on a roll.
https://www.boomplayer.com/24821685_ECD5EA1047

So I was toying around on party, testing the waters and then I got to clash
with a reg in three consecutive hands. What makes this more special it happened on fastforward.
Apologies for revealing nickname but u know, for proof purposes..















Will post this in BBV as well

Oh come on lol. At some point you need to draw the line. We don't even have any stats to go with. All we know is that we're deep. Villains got plenty of bluffs in this spot imo. I think folding is lolbad unless you have a very specific reason to do this.

Edit: That being said, sick fold.

Name a few of the "plenty bluffs" pls.

AJ AT T9 JT and lots of sc's w/ bdfd at a freq?

^ plus a few more than I can think of atm

Not even close to realistic to fold imho.

Worst case scenario he freezes when you make the bizarre flop check and checks back his potential bluffs almost always (prob how I would respond as a default). But even so, he might decide he's comfy with his KK blocker when he has AK and start to barrel and thus we just can't ever c/f.

Maybe its just me but from experience - and thats something Salmo partially touched -
This is a board that gets rarely check folded after a 4bet.
I dont think it makes too much sense to bomb the flop with some weak draws - for there arent really strong draws out there.
Very often their draw outs wil be strongly blocked as well.
Most villains will just a take a free card and will never bet hands as KJs or go ahead and charge themselves a huge amount when they
dont think they got much FE.
Thats why I believe when facing such a "I dont care what u hold"- bet I am being coolered close to always.
Even AK doesnt feel comfortable building a huge pot here. I got AA, KK, AK in my checking range - basically my entire value. And if Im checkfolding some of my bluffs then again it makes no sense for villain to go large vs hands that he is ahead of anyway.
I can simply checkfold AA, check-call my AK and some KQs, KJs and ofc KK so Im certainly not overfolding when dropping AA right there. (at least vs this sizing).
Its more or less the only made hand Ill check fold with.

You're getting coolered by only a few combos. I understand that you check strong strong hands otf, but you haven't mentioned how villain perceives you. Depending on how he does, he may or may not be justified to valurbet top pair here. Without getting too much into it, I think checkfolding flop when you are beating a decent chunk of villains valuebet range is poor. Checkfolding when you account for bluff combos just makes it total spew, unless you've got soul reads on villain. Again just my opinion.

Lets look at it from combo's perspective.|

Bluffs:
2 AJs
2 ATs
3 JTs
3 J9s total 10
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value:
3 KK
3 QQ
2 KQs total 8

With a remark that all of villains bluffs also have equity.
So if he starts out with already a 50:50 bluff:value ratio he is too valueheavy OTR.
Normally you can get away with 50:50 ratio on the turn almost as long as u got
close 2:1 value OTR.

We dont have much of a plan for our hand but check-call and hope he somehow
shuts down and we are good OTR. If he bets properly we are not only indifferent
to calling down but will eventually end up losing money since he starts out with
"too many" value combos.

Given (see above) how little of my range is checkfolding there im not too worried of
being exploited by picking AA as a checkfold since it heavily blocks the part of
villains valuerange that we are ahead of: AK (Its again very questionable how
many people bomb AK here thinking they can play for stacks.)

If im planing on check folding to a triple I may just as well fold the flop. The hand
doesnt really improve and it blocks none of villains top-range but it does block
many possible bluffs.
On top there is the betsizing that does not make the impression like
villain intends to slow down very often.

Again maybe I'm crazy but to me this makes perfect sense.

Like I said earlier, whether or not he bets top pair of is very villain specific. Ofc against someone who is well balanced betting anything less than tptk on this flop is questionable and that I agree with. Yes, given the hands in your checking range, folding AA is one of the better candidates. However this is done with the assumption that villain knows you are balanced in this spot, and adjusts his betting range accordingly.

Also, just because you plan to fold to a triple doesn't mean you should fold flop. Whether or not you call down is going to depend on whether you're playing GTO or exploitative. From the sounds of it you play a more exploitative style. That being said, you have stats on villain and we don't, so you obviously have a better idea of what he'd do so I'll give you some credit.

Edit:I appreciate the discussion. Don't take it as me trying to talk down to you. You've got plenty more experience than me in the z200 pool, so I'd defer to you in general. I'm just doubtful of certain lines every once in awhile

Loving these types of talks. Leaning towards realistic exploitative play, instead of imaginary GTO mumbo jumbo.

Can be totally wrong, but id take Oros thinking over any GTO thoughts any day here.

Sounds stuff man, thanks for sharing.

But that's the thing, GTO isn't just "imaginary mumbo jumbo".

I'm not advocating one style over the other, I was just merely pointing out that what you end up doing is going to largely depend on what style you favor.

That hand was pretty anti climatic, I was expecting like a 10$ river bluff jam or something...

Are you folding there 100% of the time? It seems wrong to fold there imo

I dont really have much to add to what I said earlier however there is no
such thing as ALWAYS in poker. There is always room for exceptions.

You definitely make valid justifications for your play, and like always there will be others who disagree with certain plays, so you discuss them. That's what improvement looks like and tbh this is one of the more interesting pgcs

Ty, I could use some kind words after a rather shi**y start of the month.
At least I'm still having fun.

The donation of the year so far:

https://www.boomplayer.com/24860953_B082900505

Way too much equity and just 50bb for donation of the year

What range are you putting villain on in the TT hand? Why bet? Genuine questions

Only way I see he is trying to make some 8x to pay. No Kx, Ax is folding. Or if he has some read on the villain and tries to induce bluff shove.

Thats how bad im running

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"moremore" is very close to the truth with his observations.
Villain is basically always giving up there.
Or he has to have a: Check-raise/call, Check-raise, Check-raising range If thats the case he deserves my money.
Also I gotta take care of my redline

Are you sure it's running bad and not the brutal rake? A player like you would be receiving around 6% RB from what I understand.