Day 39 of Main Challenge / 11th Day of 50k hand challenge



Holistic Graph for 50k hand challenge



Uhhh I don't know if a 16 buyin downswing is common but yea I got absolutely f*ucked today. I was tired during most of this session but I feel like I played my C+ to B- game, however, I might only feel that way because I was too tired to notice my own mistakes.

You can see in the holistic graph that my blue line just completely flat lined out of nowhere meanwhile my red line stayed the same. I wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary during this session, I just simply wasn't winning any pots at showdown.

Time to make some progress in my mental game and move past the outcome of this session. I might take a look back at some of the hands from this session and check for any glaring mistakes but I don't think there was too much to analyze.

Hmm maybe I'm just a s*hit player and variance caught up to me today. 16 buyins is pretty huge downswing...

Current mood. https://twitter.com/i/status/1260331899488256000

Obviously didn't run well but dust yourself off, get back in the lab and plug some leaks.

One takeaway I have just from your graph is that your redline is -11BI in 3k hands, which is probably a sign you're not playing aggressively enough postflop.

Thanks for the support my man.

Yea I have a lot of flaws in my post-flop game that I'm trying to slowly patch up with Run It Once's Vision tool. I know it's going to take a very long time since there's so many post-flop scenarios for me to practice but eventually with enough hard work I'll start to develop a edge post-flop.

Goodluck man. Subbed in

Welcome to the party.

I am going to test out a pretty big change to my pre-flop ranges today. Since I started playing PLO 40 days ago, I've been following PreFlop ranges from Jnandez's course and if a hand is > 0.0 EV, I have been opening it.

I've now come to the realization that lot of these marginal hands that are only 0.0-0.1 EV to open are probably only +EV for the solver to open since it's plays perfectly post-flop. And for a player like myself who doesn't play anything close to perfect post-flop these hands are actually -EV to open. There is the counter argument that other players are not playing perfectly post-flop but I'm just gonna test this change out and see how I like it.

So to conclude, I'll now be playing a lot tighter pre-flop.

Huh. Well that was interesting...

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 350.56 BB
Hero (SB): 172 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K T T

Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 4 J T
BB checks, Hero bets 4.48 BB, BB raises to 19.44 BB, Hero calls 14.96 BB

Turn: (44.88 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 44.88 BB, Hero calls 44.88 BB

River: (134.64 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets 104.68 BB and is all-in, BB calls 104.68 BB

BB shows J 4 A 8 (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 40%, Flop 36%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows K K T T (Full House, Tens full of Fives)
(Pre 60%, Flop 64%, Turn 80%)
Hero wins 342 BB

I've been meaning to post hands that you guys can give me advice on but have been slacking lately. I'll make sure to grab a couple of hands from today's session that I struggled with.

Confusion increases...

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 248.12 BB
MP: 110.68 BB
CO: 85 BB
BTN: 32.2 BB
SB: 303.92 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4 5 A A

fold, MP raises to 3.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.4 BB, fold, Hero raises to 14 BB, MP calls 10.6 BB, BTN calls 10.6 BB

Flop: (42.4 BB, 3 players) Q 2 T
Hero checks, MP bets 42.4 BB, BTN calls 18.2 BB and is all-in, fold

Turn: (78.8 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (78.8 BB, 2 players) T

MP shows 4 A K 2 (Two Pair, Tens and Twos)
(Pre 39%, Flop 28%, Turn 33%)
BTN shows A J J 9 (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Pre 61%, Flop 72%, Turn 67%)
BTN wins 74.88 BB

Here is a hand I'd like some help with but it's kinda a weird one since it's a limped pot.
1) Would you guys bet turn here?
2) Would you fold turn here?

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 244.64 BB
CO: 40 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 40 BB
Hero (BB): 132.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has A Q 5 8

fold, CO checks, fold, fold, Hero checks

Flop: (2.4 BB, 2 players) A 5 7
Hero bets 1.8 BB, CO calls 1.8 BB

Turn: (6 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 4.48 BB, CO raises to 19.44 BB, fold

CO wins 14.24 BB

Here is another hand. Do you think that folding turn is possible?

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 58.16 BB
BTN: 158.24 BB
SB: 119.64 BB
Hero (BB): 261.32 BB
UTG: 138.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T T 7 A

fold, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 4.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.4 BB, CO calls 3.4 BB

Flop: (13.6 BB, 3 players) K T 4
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 6.8 BB, Hero calls 6.8 BB, fold

Turn: (27.2 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 20.4 BB, Hero calls 20.4 BB

River: (68 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, BTN bets 34 BB, fold

BTN wins 64.6 BB

Thoughts? I was confused what to do in this hand on every street.

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 155.04 BB
UTG: 194 BB
CO: 103.04 BB
BTN: 97.92 BB
SB: 219.76 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q 9 T 7

fold, CO raises to 2.8 BB, BTN calls 2.8 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.8 BB

Flop: (8.8 BB, 3 players) Q T 2
Hero checks, CO bets 8.8 BB, BTN calls 8.8 BB, Hero calls 8.8 BB

Turn: (35.2 BB, 3 players) 7
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 17.6 BB, Hero calls 17.6 BB, fold

River: (70.4 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 68.72 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.72 BB

Hero shows Q 9 T 7 (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 50%, Turn 58%)
BTN shows K K J 5 (Flush, King High)
(Pre 63%, Flop 50%, Turn 43%)
BTN wins 197.48 BB

Here is a god awful hand... I was so close to just calling the river but thought it'd look stupid if he just has a flush. I don't even get value out of flushes when I reraise river! And then I call the river reraise?! F*ucking terrible.


Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 165.04 BB
BB: 134.12 BB
CO: 121.88 BB
BTN: 508.08 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K J 3 J

CO raises to 3.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (7.8 BB, 2 players) 8 J Q
Hero checks, CO bets 5.8 BB, Hero calls 5.8 BB

Turn: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, CO checks

River: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets 15.8 BB, Hero raises to 41.28 BB, CO raises to 112.68 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 71.4 BB

Hero shows K J 3 J (Full House, Jacks full of Eights)
(Pre 40%, Flop 9%, Turn 3%)
CO shows Q 6 Q 6 (Full House, Queens full of Eights)
(Pre 60%, Flop 91%, Turn 98%)
CO wins 236.76 BB

Quick thoughts in order starting with AQ58:

1- yes bet turn is fine, by the book probably call the turn raise. Against a passive limping player I'm just dumping the hand to the raise.

2- not folding turn, hand seems finely played

3- flat flop is good. I like a shove on the turn. You block all sets and have outs against them (with fd) and don't block KJ at all (can charge KJQx type hands and are in good shape). Call river is fine as played.

4- I think is wp other than yes fold to the river rejam...annoying spot for sure. I'd be really surprised if river is supposed to be just a check/call with 3rd nuts.

Were you scared of JJ or looking to fold a / river?

Once villain pots turn it's somewhat obvious they're not folding to a shove. The board is really draw heavy and lots of scare cards are going to hit on the river and then what's your play?

You were just a bit fortunate to get such a safe river.

Yes I was scared of JJ until he checked river.

Are you recommending I shove turn? I'll assume you are but please correct me if I'm wrong but yea I think I call in spots like this way too much because I wanna be able to see the river card and get away from the hand if a bad river hits. I'm starting to realize this passive mindset is not good...

Having a negative red line is part and parcel of playing PLO. I wouldn't worry about it.

And yeah, definitely shove that TT hand, the board is extremely wet and villain can have so many other combos aside from JJ.

Why are we even checking the river with jacks full? We can just go ahead and bet-call. IMO you can't ever really fold an overfull at micros because there is always a substantial chance of someone spazzing out with the underfull.

Thank you for the solid analysis.

1 & 2) Okay sounds good.

3) Like I said to Masq, yea I think my mindset postflop is way too passive. I like a jam on the turn here is as well. Im going to try to fix this but it might take a while to implement.

4) You are probably right about 3rd nuts not being check/call on the river. Maybe my views are heavily skewed by the outcome of the hand. I think it is hard to get value from flush but villian can definitely have a lower full house on the river when he checks back turn. Anyways what i should mainly take away from this hand is to not dump off another 70+ bb by calling the river reraise like that.

JJ is a possibility of course, but it's a really wet board and plenty of other hands that could be doing that.

I like a turn shove because it means I don't get stuck having to make a decision on the river. Also it gets drawing hands to commit their stack on the turn and they're unlikely to put it in on the river if they totally brick.

A lot of rivers are going to look bad and you'll end up folding when some players can run bluffs. Although in the micros it feels like more often than not there aren't many big bluffs. Much like your JJ hand when they're willing to stack off after a big check-raise. I think it's rare you see Q8/J8/86 or bluffs unless they're a giant fish or pulling a sick bluff.

Day 40 of Main Challenge / 12th Day of 50k hand challenge



Holistic Graph for 50k hand challenge



I forgot to upload yesterday's graph so here it is. It does appear that my new tigher pre-flop strategy has less variance well at least for this session.

1) What size would you make turn bet here?

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 103.52 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 50.4 BB
BB: 85.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q 7 Q 6

fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, BB calls 2.4 BB

Flop: (7.2 BB, 2 players) Q T J
BB checks, Hero bets 3.6 BB, BB calls 3.6 BB

Turn: (14.4 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets 7.2 BB, BB raises to 18.12 BB, Hero calls 10.92 BB

River: (50.64 BB, 2 players) 2
BB bets 37.96 BB, Hero raises to 74.88 BB and is all-in, BB calls 22.72 BB and is all-in

Hero shows Q 7 Q 6 (Full House, Queens full of Tens)
(Pre 68%, Flop 77%, Turn 98%)
BB shows 8 2 J J (Full House, Jacks full of Tens)
(Pre 32%, Flop 23%, Turn 3%)
Hero wins 164 BB

1) What do you think about turn bet sizing? I decided to go big here which is kinda the opposite of what I did in the last hand.

Yatahay Network - $0.25 NL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 320.6 BB
UTG: 200.36 BB
Hero (MP): 125.52 BB
CO: 113.48 BB
BTN: 341.28 BB
SB: 88.68 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A K 8 8

fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, BTN calls 3.4 BB, SB calls 3 BB, fold

Flop: (11.2 BB, 3 players) 7 8 Q
SB checks, Hero bets 5.6 BB, BTN calls 5.6 BB, SB calls 5.6 BB

Turn: (28 BB, 3 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets 21 BB, BTN raises to 91 BB, fold, Hero raises to 116.52 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 25.52 BB

River: (261.04 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero shows A K 8 8 (Full House, Eights full of Sevens)
(Pre 52%, Flop 85%, Turn 75%)
BTN shows 7 8 Q J (Full House, Sevens full of Queens)
(Pre 48%, Flop 15%, Turn 25%)
Hero wins 249.04 BB

1) What do you think of my flop bet sizing? Not sure what to do when we have super strong hand like this.

2) I probably bet on this turn 80% of the time but decided to check. What do you think about this? My reasoning. He might have a set and the if the river pairs the board we can get his entire stack. If we check turn he might think his flush is good on the river and bet himself, which ends up happening. Not sure if we would get a call if we bet pot on turn.

Yatahay Network - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 103.72 BB
BTN: 50 BB
SB: 113.24 BB
BB: 109.88 BB
UTG: 61 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 8 Q A Q

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.4 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 3.4 BB

Flop: (10.2 BB, 2 players) Q 4 7
UTG checks, Hero bets 2.52 BB, UTG calls 2.52 BB

Turn: (15.24 BB, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (15.24 BB, 2 players) 6
UTG bets 15.24 BB, Hero raises to 60.96 BB, fold

Hero wins 43.44 BB