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01-29-2021 , 03:41 PM
fu.ck. haven't played much but have been doing a fair amount of studying. will update soonish. results suck :P glgl all
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01-29-2021 , 03:48 PM
GL brother.
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01-29-2021 , 05:38 PM
Subbed. Appreciating your style! (Seeing the Loaded album cover made me feel happy). Faceplanting onto one’s bed has its charms, too, and is definitely a legit remedy for a tough day.
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01-30-2021 , 01:11 PM
Hey p0ptartz,

How are you studying on your days off?

Good luck and I will be following your progress.
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01-31-2021 , 01:31 PM
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GL brother.
thanks mang

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Originally Posted by DrTJO
Subbed. Appreciating your style! (Seeing the Loaded album cover made me feel happy). Faceplanting onto one’s bed has its charms, too, and is definitely a legit remedy for a tough day.
thanks doc. love that record and the velvet underground/lou reed overall.

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Originally Posted by HUMBLE.
Hey p0ptartz,

How are you studying on your days off?

Good luck and I will be following your progress.
thanks man. so i've been approaching studying several ways lately depending on my mood and my ability to concentrate. i've been watching a lot of videos on RIO as i have a sub for a month. even going as far back to Jeans89 videos from 2014. a bit outdated but still a lot to learn from his thought process. i'll watch theory videos, take notes, then dive into my HUD to go over how i played those specific spots. and after learning a new concept, i'll go into visions and practice it. visions has been super helpful for drilling specific scenerios. i'm also fortunate to know some good players i can run ideas through.
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01-31-2021 , 02:24 PM
Sounds like a good plan. I hear lots of smart people using Visions and liking its features.
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02-01-2021 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by p0ptartz
if anyone has suggestions on good/basic HUD stats for PLO i'd love to know what they are. mine is a little too much and i'm not even sure if i apply them properly or need them. i'll post what i run below. feel free to comment or PM.
i run a simple one,
vpip/pfr/3B/agg%(overall)
OpenLimp/RFI(overall)/WTSD/Sqz
AGG%Flop/Turn/River

pretty simple and works well for multitabling.
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02-01-2021 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by thegibson
i run a simple one,
vpip/pfr/3B/agg%(overall)
OpenLimp/RFI(overall)/WTSD/Sqz
AGG%Flop/Turn/River

pretty simple and works well for multitabling.
thanks. how do you apply agg% in game? on PT4 i have AF and AFq. i understand them in theory but i guess unsure of proper frequencies so i can exploit opponents.
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02-03-2021 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by p0ptartz
thanks. how do you apply agg% in game? on PT4 i have AF and AFq. i understand them in theory but i guess unsure of proper frequencies so i can exploit opponents.
i cant help with that as i dont have those but i found this article that might help.

https://www.postfloppoker.com/poker-...ow-to-use-them
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02-06-2021 , 02:45 PM
january 2021 results: -1500


i've delayed this post for a while now. guess i didn't feel like publicly acknowledging another losing month, but at some point i gotta face it. i just feel defeated.

i took some time off from playing, perhaps too much time but am getting back at it today. had a coaching session which felt great and hope to continue working with this person.

as for life, it's been relatively boring and not much has been going on. i'd like to blame covid for this but i'm possibly just becoming more of a homebody than ever before. nostalgia hits me hard in the winter. i miss the days of touring through New England to watch friends bands play in some moldy dungeon, not knowing what we were going to eat or where we were going to sleep but somehow always making it work out. never thought i'd miss the cramps you get from sleeping on a kids hardwood floor, waking up to the sound of crust punks puking in a bathtub full of empty beer bottles. if only somehow we could make enough money for cigarettes we wouldn't need to eat. funny how these moments become positive memories. meanwhile here i am, in a warm apartment, sitting in front of an expensive computer, attempting to do what i love for a living yet finding a reason to complain. maybe in 5 years this moment will become the next nostalgic memory. hopefully in 5 years i won't be back to sleeping with crust punks in moldy basements.

gl to everyone this month. except for my opponents. fu.ck you.

tracked hands for jan:

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02-06-2021 , 07:14 PM
Like the fact that Cut Worms is recorded in Memphis. Can hear the George Harrison in the voice. Always tough to post negative results, but untold benefits for doing so.

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Originally Posted by p0ptartz

nostalgia hits me hard in the winter. i miss the days of touring through New England to watch friends bands play in some moldy dungeon, not knowing what we were going to eat or where we were going to sleep but somehow always making it work out. never thought i'd miss the cramps you get from sleeping on a kids hardwood floor, waking up to the sound of crust punks puking in a bathtub full of empty beer bottles. if only somehow we could make enough money for cigarettes we wouldn't need to eat.
Can’t say I have much nostalgia for sleeping on floors. I recall being ushered into my room for the night at a place (Italian punk variety) and been shown a couch (which was relatively decent). I noticed a hefty smell, saw there was cat fur on the couch, and thought, oh well, fair enough, but then turned on a lamp and saw a big cage in the centre of the room with rats in it. I gave up the couch and gladly took the floor in another room on that occasion.
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02-10-2021 , 01:29 PM
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Can’t say I have much nostalgia for sleeping on floors. I recall being ushered into my room for the night at a place (Italian punk variety) and been shown a couch (which was relatively decent). I noticed a hefty smell, saw there was cat fur on the couch, and thought, oh well, fair enough, but then turned on a lamp and saw a big cage in the centre of the room with rats in it. I gave up the couch and gladly took the floor in another room on that occasion.
haha punk houses were the worst. for some reason they love letting their cats piss all over the house. it's not a real punk house without the smell of urine.
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02-10-2021 , 01:48 PM
feb 1-10 - +200

this month has been pretty meh. i've only played 4 sessions but haven't taken a day off from studying/reviewing. i'd really like to get more volume in but would prefer to develop a more solid strategy first, that way i'm not just punting money. for this reason, i'm trying to limit myself to 4 tables and really focus on each spot and talk through my thought process.

a buddy of mine spun 2k up to 60k in january, and in one 24hour degen binge went bust playing blackjack/baccarat. lent the fuc.ker some money and hope he can get back on his feet.

going to try to start reading again. if ya have any suggestions feel free to post em.

tracked hands in feb:



currently reading and would highly recommend:

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02-11-2021 , 03:15 PM
feb 10 - +200

had a friend rail my session yesterday. he said i'm playing a bit straightforward and lacking in aggression. i think of myself as fairly aggressive compared to the pool, but time to reevaluate. any suggestions on how to find more aggression? i'm not entirely sure how to go about this.

feels good to book some wins, even small ones. also feels good to flop quads vs top boat.






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02-11-2021 , 03:20 PM
Post your stats.. specifically the ones I put in the "HUD" post and ill be able to give you a rough idea.
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02-11-2021 , 07:04 PM
The Ginger Man is something I should be reading, soon. That track feels good.

Interesting that you believe you we’re sufficiently aggressive — using stats to check your intuition could be useful.
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02-12-2021 , 01:30 AM
Hey, fellow PLO player here, but at the micros. May I ask how long your sessions are and how many tables you play? I have a problem of marathon sessions where I start off well and then it all ends in ruin until the next payday. (which, because of my job is the next day ;-p)
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02-12-2021 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thegibson
Post your stats.. specifically the ones I put in the "HUD" post and ill be able to give you a rough idea.


cbet in non 3b pot looks a bit low but i wonder how much multiway spots play into this. anyone feel free to give feedback about any of the stats or what else youd like to see
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02-12-2021 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ProblemPlaya
Hey, fellow PLO player here, but at the micros. May I ask how long your sessions are and how many tables you play? I have a problem of marathon sessions where I start off well and then it all ends in ruin until the next payday. (which, because of my job is the next day ;-p)
hey man, i usually play between 3-8 hours depending on multiple factors. i like to take breaks and play 2 or 3 sessions per day instead of one long session. i'm trying to focus on playing better, so ive been trying to limit myself to 4 tables, but when i'm feeling sharp i'll add 2 tables and remove them when games are bad or concentration is lacking.

trust me, i've experienced that for a long time, and still do. it's easy to grind for hours once getting stuck/upstuck just trying to get back to even or your peak. the only thing i can recommend is trying to realize when you're not playing well and quit the session regardless of the $ amount lost. but i still struggle with this so i may not be the best person to ask. gl
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02-12-2021 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by p0ptartz




cbet in non 3b pot looks a bit low but i wonder how much multiway spots play into this. anyone feel free to give feedback about any of the stats or what else youd like to see
WTSD is pretty high, your vpip is high compared to your PFR too. My guess is your calling IP with too many mediocre hands that are either low connectors (T986ss) or 3 broadways and a dangler ( AKJ6ssA). That would explain your low flop aggression as well.

Think of flop play like this..

before checking back this hand, how much pressure can I take on the turn? On how many turns can I continue vs a bet? If the answer is "not much" and "not many" then you should consider turning that hand into a bluff on the flop and bet folding it.

Example: APLO: to the moon (or the grave)KPLO: to the moon (or the grave)KPLO: to the moon (or the grave):6PLO: to the moon (or the grave):..
You open BU, BB call
Flop QPLO: to the moon (or the grave):TPLO: to the moon (or the grave):5PLO: to the moon (or the grave):

Bet/folding the flop is far better than checking back because there aren't really any "good" turns that we can put more money in with. Villain can literally just pot turn and put us in a really tough spot on almost every card in the deck. (Including the King)


Also your aggression should be going down into the later streets, not up.
Example
Flop AF 2
Turn AF 1.8
River AF 1.6

Your river AF is nuts, your bluffing too often or value betting too thinly. Without hands to look at I can't help with that lol but just work on cold calling less preflop and bet/folding more on the flop vs checking back. That should get your thought process in line.
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02-12-2021 , 06:18 PM
Hey man just come across this thread. Loving the honesty of the tough grind. Also in a similar spot with plo where I just can’t seem to win . Def mixed variance and some bad play. I like gibsons post above , made me think a lot about those exact situations and I am def guilty a lot of this. Anyway man , rooting for you. Keep up the studies and I’m sure you start turning it around and logging some decent results.
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02-12-2021 , 07:26 PM
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just feel as though i cannot win. i want to blame variance but i'm just not sure. i guess this is how a losing PLO player rationalizes losing
I think especially in PLO the variance is just too much for our cavemen brains to handle. At a 5bb/100 winrate your chance of being negative is ****ing 13%, and you'll have a 50BI+ downswing 28% of the time. And you can tell yourself that as often as you want, after getting beaten up for one month straight you're still gonna start asking yourself what you're doing wrong. It's how our brain works.

Probably because us humans are so self-centered that anything that happens in the world somehow has to relate to our own actions
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02-12-2021 , 07:27 PM
^ Like the analysis @thegibson.
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02-15-2021 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by thegibson
WTSD is pretty high, your vpip is high compared to your PFR too. My guess is your calling IP with too many mediocre hands that are either low connectors (T986ss) or 3 broadways and a dangler ( AKJ6ssA). That would explain your low flop aggression as well.


Also your aggression should be going down into the later streets, not up.
Example
Flop AF 2
Turn AF 1.8
River AF 1.6

Your river AF is nuts, your bluffing too often or value betting too thinly. Without hands to look at I can't help with that lol but just work on cold calling less preflop and bet/folding more on the flop vs checking back. That should get your thought process in line.

hey thanks, yeah my vpip/pfr by position is looking pretty good tbh. i think the gap is coming from over defending the BB. in BB i'm 37/8. i'm also playing a bit too tight from the BTN.

as for AF, my initial thoughts were you'd want a slightly higher AF by each street. definitely will be looking into this. thanks for taking the time
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02-15-2021 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh345
Hey man just come across this thread. Loving the honesty of the tough grind. Also in a similar spot with plo where I just can’t seem to win . Def mixed variance and some bad play. I like gibsons post above , made me think a lot about those exact situations and I am def guilty a lot of this. Anyway man , rooting for you. Keep up the studies and I’m sure you start turning it around and logging some decent results.
yeah man, same to you. tbh i overestimated my skill set when deciding to go full time. it's ok though. i'm very determined and view each set back as an expensive learning experience.
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