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Old 07-14-2018, 04:36 PM   #26
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Re: PLO, Giraffes, And Probably Some Indigestion

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WSD% when hero calls on the river. It's the percentage of time I win when my action is to call any river bet. So that could be a donk and I call, check/call or my bet get raised and call. Essentially I'm calling to many bets on the river.

When I reviewed some of the hands that were captured by the filter the mistakes were pretty obvious. I believe my audible reaction on some were, "Oh that's really bad."
Right I meant what was the %? But I see you posted 12% below. Was just double checking it wasn't like 25% and you were thinking that was bad.
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Old 07-14-2018, 07:02 PM   #27
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Right I meant what was the %? But I see you posted 12% below. Was just double checking it wasn't like 25% and you were thinking that was bad.
Gotcha. The tutorial videos in PT4 explain all the different stats and there was a little info on the efficiency percentages. Something for me to work on.

Well this afternoon was a bit of a bust. I leave for work in an hour and was unable to log a session. I started having some medical tests run because I've had some issues for the last year or so on my digestive system. The Dr. gave me a kit to take home to collect a poo sample. This morning was the first chance I've had to get what they needed at a time where the lab was open. Man was that gross. Since I had that to deal with in the AM I got to bed late and then had to wake up and wait for a siding contractor that surprise surprise never showed. I didn't want to fire up a session and be semi distracted while playing anticipating company.

All good though. I should definitely have time to fit a session in tomorrow before work. Oh in other news my sis-in-law found out today they're having a boy! Little nephew on the way, can't wait.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:20 AM   #28
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Re: PLO, Giraffes, And Probably Some Indigestion

Got to grind out a session before tables broke this morning. Sometimes it's not your day. Today was not my day. Shake it off, shake it off. On the bright side I'm off tomorrow and should be able to grind out a long one in the evening.





Very first hand of the session. Not sure about the turn. Maybe I should be check calling versus the line I took. Wrap with a flush draw though, can't be in that bad of shape.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $46.45
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $38.39
CO: $18.22
BTN: $9.63

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T 9 8 J

fold, fold, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $1.00, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.00, 3 players) 6 Q 7
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.00, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $3.25, SB raises to $15.45, Hero raises to $22.50 and is all-in, SB calls $7.05

River: ($51.00, 2 players) 6

SB shows 4 5 A T (Straight, Seven High)
(Pre 48%, Flop 28%, Turn 58%)
Hero shows T 9 8 J (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 72%, Turn 43%)
SB wins $48.45



I think this one is pretty standard. Unfortunately the villain had a higher diamond draw and he got there on the turn.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $31.39
SB: $22.36
Hero (BB): $35.26
CO: $42.56

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q 9 T J

CO raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $4.25, CO raises to $14.45, fold, fold, Hero calls $10.20

Flop: ($30.60, 2 players) K 8 9
Hero checks, CO bets $28.11 and is all-in, Hero calls $20.81 and is all-in

Turn: ($72.22, 2 players) 3

River: ($72.22, 2 players) 6

Hero shows Q 9 T J (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 37%, Flop 46%, Turn 3%)
CO shows 8 A Q A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 63%, Flop 54%, Turn 98%)
CO wins $70.22


I'm not sure about this one. I 5bet to ISO the shorter stack who is a complete fish. BB calls it off with AKK5 ds which given the action should have been a fold on his part I do believe. My image isn't that crazy but I don't really expect guys to be paying that much attention.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $37.13
BTN: $28.85
SB: $27.80
BB: $14.74
Hero (UTG): $25.98

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has J 9 Q K

Hero raises to $0.85, fold, fold, SB raises to $2.80, BB raises to $9.25, Hero raises to $25.98 and is all-in, SB calls $23.18, BB calls $5.49 and is all-in

Flop: ($66.70, 3 players) 2 8 2

Turn: ($66.70, 3 players) 6

River: ($66.70, 3 players) 7

SB shows K 5 K A (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)

Main Pot [$44.22]: (Pre 28%, Flop 8%, Turn 3%)
Side Pot#1 [$22.48]: (Pre 68%, Flop 91%, Turn 100%)

BB shows A A 4 2 (Three of a Kind, Twos)

Main Pot [$44.22]: (Pre 47%, Flop 83%, Turn 97%)

Hero shows J 9 Q K (One Pair, Twos)

Main Pot [$44.22]: (Pre 25%, Flop 9%, Turn 0%)
Side Pot#1 [$22.48]: (Pre 32%, Flop 9%, Turn 0%)

SB wins $22.48
BB wins $41.22


Another spot where I turn the low end of a straight with a redraw to a flush versus a rec. PSB left on the turn and he shows up with the goods. No luck on the river.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $6.18
Hero (BB): $31.91
UTG: $35.67
MP: $23.30
CO: $5.73
BTN: $17.68

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has 7 J A 8

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.85, fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80, 2 players) A 9 T
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.71, Hero raises to $5.55, BTN calls $3.84

Turn: ($12.90, 2 players) J
Hero bets $12.26, BTN calls $11.28 and is all-in

River: ($35.46, 2 players) 5

Hero shows 7 J A 8 (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 59%, Flop 71%, Turn 28%)
BTN shows J K 8 Q (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 41%, Flop 29%, Turn 73%)
BTN wins $33.69


And then there was this one. Got it in good, just couldn't hold.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.25 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $25.00
BTN: $45.02
Hero (SB): $56.67
BB: $12.93
UTG: $11.97

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A 8 6 7

UTG calls $0.25, fold, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, BB calls $1.00, UTG calls $1.00, BTN calls $1.00

Flop: ($5.00, 4 players) 4 T 5
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($5.00, 4 players) 8
Hero bets $4.00, BB calls $4.00, UTG raises to $10.72 and is all-in, fold, Hero raises to $17.44, BB calls $7.68 and is all-in

River: ($39.08, 3 players) Q

Hero shows A 8 6 7 (Straight, Eight High)

Main Pot [$37.16]: (Pre 30%, Flop 22%, Turn 44%)
Side Pot#1 [$1.92]: (Pre 43%, Flop 43%, Turn 67%)

BB shows 7 K 9 A (Flush, Ace High)

Main Pot [$37.16]: (Pre 38%, Flop 24%, Turn 25%)
Side Pot#1 [$1.92]: (Pre 58%, Flop 57%, Turn 33%)

UTG shows 3 7 Q J (Flush, Queen High)

Main Pot [$37.16]: (Pre 32%, Flop 54%, Turn 31%)

BB wins $37.13



Happy to hear feedback on any of these hands.
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Old 07-15-2018, 01:58 PM   #29
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Could you expand on river call efficiency? What should I be looking at? I mean I understand that how often you need to be correct increases or decreases based on the size of the bet in a given instance.

From the filter I ran on my river calls I won 12% for a total loss of like 3 or 4 buyins over about 5k hands. 5k was the total hands I had to sample from not the total that were river calls. I assume numbers can be skewed too because the majority of the called hands were for small amounts where post flop action was minimal. But I had about 6 hands within the sample where big river bets were placed and given the action post flop my calls were pretty bad given the price and how often I needed to be correct.
It shows the return for every chip you invest as a river call. 1 is breaking even and that would be the number if a perfect bot played vs another perfect bot. In reality there are spots where our opponent has no bluffs at all and we can fold every single bluffcatcher and be very far off minimum defence frequency, therefore we want that number to be higher, like 1.2-1.3. If your number is below 1, than you'd be making more money if folded vs every single river bet.
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:56 PM   #30
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It shows the return for every chip you invest as a river call. 1 is breaking even and that would be the number if a perfect bot played vs another perfect bot. In reality there are spots where our opponent has no bluffs at all and we can fold every single bluffcatcher and be very far off minimum defence frequency, therefore we want that number to be higher, like 1.2-1.3. If your number is below 1, than you'd be making more money if folded vs every single river bet.
I think I've misconstrued the data from the filter I ran or didn't run what I thought I was. I'll have to look at it again. Without filtering data the advanced stats "By Stake" chart already has "Call R Eff" column. I'm at 1.55 for all hands played.
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:45 PM   #31
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Re: PLO, Giraffes, And Probably Some Indigestion

Hand 1- no reason to jam turn. We have no SD value or fold equity now and can save the rest if we miss river. Bet more on flop btw and more OTT (or check)

Hand 3 - zero reason to iso jam this pre; folding would be better. QJT9ds would be significantly better to cold call too.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:28 PM   #32
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Hand 1- no reason to jam turn. We have no SD value or fold equity now and can save the rest if we miss river. Bet more on flop btw and more OTT (or check)

Hand 3 - zero reason to iso jam this pre; folding would be better. QJT9ds would be significantly better to cold call too.
I wondered about hand 1 and the turn action. So it would be correct to call given our equity and fold unimproved on the river. This is probably a mistake I'm making frequently too. It's an odd adjustment coming from NLHE but it makes sense.

Hand 3 I knew right away I goofed and having a lower rundown would be better considering I'm sharing outs or cards with their ranges. Do you think when the shortstack shoves I should be folding a hand like a Q hi DS rundown since the action would be left open to the other deeper stack who could then shove? Or at that point would we be committed with the amount of money in the pot versus what we have behind?
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:00 PM   #33
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Pretty exciting day in my PLO journey. I signed up for the PLO Mastermind course at JNandez Poker. Managed to get my account setup and browse through what they have to offer. I started going through the initial introductory course which has close to a dozen videos.

There's so much information it's almost an information overload if not approached in an organized fashion. I watched the first two intro videos that cover preflop hand selection and cbetting strategies/mistakes. I took about three pages of notes and reviewed them after the two videos. What I'm going to do is focus on these two areas before moving on to anything else.

Currently on the waiting list for the one game running right now which is fine. I'm going to limit tables so I can focus on the information that I covered. We'll see how it goes.
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Old 07-18-2018, 06:45 PM   #34
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No games were running yesterday when I had time in the afternoon to play between getting up and going to work. I spent that free time on study and watching a few videos on my training site. Today I was able to log about an hour of play before shutting it off as I was getting rather frustrated and needed to break before tilt set in. Which is odd because at this point I don't really tilt, but I felt it coming.

My biggest issue right now is I have only a few weeks of grinding at PLO and I'm so lost on what to expect. I know swings can be big and I'm okay with that but the uncertainty of knowing if I'm doing things correctly or not is a bit tough. It doesn't help that I've had virtually zero success. Maybe 1/3 of my sessions I've ended up, one third has been about a buy-in down and the rest is just running 4-5 buy-ins below ev. It's hard to make sense of the data especially with such little experience. I'm done playing for the day and will have to look at it with a fresh set of eyes tomorrow.
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Old 07-19-2018, 03:53 AM   #35
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How much did u pay for PLO mastermind? Is it worth it from what you've seen so far?

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Old 07-19-2018, 05:08 AM   #36
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How much did u pay for PLO mastermind? Is it worth it from what you've seen so far?

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Monthly subscription is $99 USD. The content I've reviewed so far has been pretty decent and the team that works with Fernando seems pretty active. They've clearly put a ton of time into content and there are a lot of tools available. It's going to be one of those things where what one gets out of it depends on the effort you put in. I would say the price per month is fairly reasonable for what you get in return.
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:42 PM   #37
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Thought I would throw out an update, mostly for myself. As previously mentioned I signed up for the monthly subscription on JNandez Poker so most of my time away from the tables relating to PLO has been spent over there on study. As for hours logged it has been a bit hit or miss. Two things working against me right now are the games I frequent haven't been running a lot during the 3:00 PM - 6:00 PM window I have to play around sleep and my work schedule. That I have no control over. The other challenge right now is two guys at work were fired and their shift is the exact opposite of the one I work so for the foreseeable future I'm working nearly every day for the next two months. That means when I am off I have other responsibilities that take priority over poker. Tonight is one of those nights off and I'll be going to a baseball game with my wife and sister-in-law. The weather is beautiful out and I'm really looking forward to it.

I do however expect to get a session logged later tonight after the game. After tonight I have Monday off and after that I'm working about two weeks straight.
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Old 08-14-2018, 02:50 AM   #38
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...Two things working against me right...The other challenge right now is two guys at work were fired and their shift is the exact opposite of the one I work so for the foreseeable future I'm working nearly every day for the next two months...
As I alluded to at the end of last month a couple of guys were let go and I knew I would be working a ton. That's been that case. In the last 5 weeks I've had about 6 days off working 12 hour night shifts. It's been a pain in the butt. As yet another unforeseen obstacle I found two sections of cedar siding on my new house that had damage. Turns out there was a decent bit of water damage on one side and carpenter ant damage on the other. I had a contractor working on it all last week which really hurt my sleep schedule on three of those six days off. Hard to rest with a guy pounding away at the outside of your house. But it's done now so I can put that behind me.

As for PLO, tonight I had off and I logged two hour long sessions four tabling $10 PLO grinding out a tiny bit of volume. Here's the giraffe for this session:




Here's a few of my bigger hands from the session:

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): $10.15
CO: $17.02
BTN: $20.35
SB: $10.00
BB: $11.56
UTG: $8.88

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 4 7 6 9

fold, Hero raises to $0.35, CO raises to $1.20, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55, 2 players) 9 J 4
Hero checks, CO bets $1.70, Hero raises to $7.53, CO raises to $13.36, Hero calls $1.42 and is all-in

Turn: ($20.45, 2 players) 2

River: ($20.45, 2 players) 3

Hero shows 4 7 6 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Fours)
(Pre 47%, Flop 69%, Turn 70%)
CO shows T A 3 A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 53%, Flop 31%, Turn 30%)
Hero wins $19.43


HU vs a rec playing 63% of hands


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $9.14
BB: $32.58
CO: $14.65
Hero (BTN): $10.17

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 7 K J T

CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, fold, fold, CO calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05, 2 players) 4 9 7
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.05, 2 players) 8
CO checks, Hero bets $1.00, CO raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2.25

River: ($7.55, 2 players) 5
CO checks, Hero bets $6.47 and is all-in, CO calls $6.47

CO shows 2 J 7 9 (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
(Pre 33%, Flop 62%, Turn 33%)
Hero shows 7 K J T (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 67%, Flop 38%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins $19.47


Got lucky here vs a guy playing 85% of hands. Gotta love that backdoor equity


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $11.06
BTN: $18.48
Hero (SB): $12.05
BB: $17.26
UTG: $21.12

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A 4 K 5

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.15, fold, BTN calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40, 2 players) A 4 Q
Hero bets $1.71, BTN raises to $7.41, Hero raises to $10.90 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.49

Turn: ($24.20, 2 players) 3

River: ($24.20, 2 players) J

BTN shows 4 Q J A (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 43%, Flop 79%, Turn 64%)
Hero shows A 4 K 5 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 57%, Flop 21%, Turn 36%)
Hero wins $22.99


Not sure I would call this thin value on the river but once the flop went ck/ck and ck/call on the turn I was pretty sure he had KKxx.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): $23.30
BTN: $26.22
SB: $26.00
BB: $14.52

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J T A A

Hero raises to $0.35, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.05, Hero raises to $3.15, BB calls $2.10

Flop: ($6.35, 2 players) J 4 Q
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.35, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets $4.80, BB calls $4.80

River: ($15.95, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets $15.16, BB calls $6.57 and is all-in

Hero shows J T A A (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 68%, Flop 84%, Turn 93%)
BB shows K 9 7 K (Two Pair, Kings and Fours)
(Pre 32%, Flop 16%, Turn 8%)
Hero wins $27.64


Not sure when the next update will be. I believe I work the next 10 nights in a row. How well I sleep and if games are running in the afternoon will dictate how many hands I'm able to get in.
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:28 PM   #39
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Been able to log a few short sessions before work yesterday and today for a modest victory of 6.64bb/100. Had some decent spots yesterday that didn't go in my favor. I had one of my tables get down to HU for a few hands and lost a few buyins. One was 2nd nut flush vs 3rd nut flush. Don't really have any HU experience so I'm not sure if I played it right or not. No worries...we're up.


Hand vs LAG with a fairly wide opening range. 45% on the flop, I can live with it.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $14.24
SB: $4.56
BB: $9.70
UTG: $3.28
MP: $13.48
Hero (CO): $12.97

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has K T A T

fold, MP raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $3.60, Hero calls $2.40

Flop: ($7.35, 2 players) 4 7 K
MP bets $6.99, Hero raises to $9.37 and is all-in, MP calls $2.38

Turn: ($26.09, 2 players) 9

River: ($26.09, 2 players) 2

MP shows 6 5 A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 71%, Flop 55%, Turn 73%)
Hero shows K T A T (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 29%, Flop 45%, Turn 28%)
MP wins $24.79


Wasn't real thrilled calling on the river, probably a fold but the call was specific to this opponent. My line isn't typical either post, again villain specific. Given the hand he has my intuition was right. He just had quads this time.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $15.98
CO: $12.43
BTN: $20.14
Hero (SB): $12.17
BB: $9.07
UTG: $13.77

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q 2 Q K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.15, fold, BTN calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40, 2 players) 4 4 5
Hero bets $1.14, BTN calls $1.14

Turn: ($4.68, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $2.22, BTN calls $2.22

River: ($9.12, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $8.67, Hero calls $7.66 and is all-in

BTN shows 2 4 8 A (Four of a Kind, Fours)
(Pre 35%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
Hero shows Q 2 Q K (Full House, Fours full of Queens)
(Pre 65%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
BTN wins $23.22


Here's the HU flush over flush spot. Really not sure about the river call. The turn check got me to be honest.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $16.26
Hero (BB): $11.79

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 3 7 Q 8

SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 8 4 7
Hero checks, SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.42, SB calls $1.02

Turn: ($3.44, 2 players) 9
Hero bets $1.63, SB calls $1.63

River: ($6.70, 2 players) T
Hero bets $3.70, SB raises to $10.10, Hero calls $4.74 and is all-in

SB shows 6 J K 4 (Flush, King High)
(Pre 55%, Flop 59%, Turn 90%)
Hero shows 3 7 Q 8 (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 45%, Flop 41%, Turn 10%)
SB wins $23.08


Was going to fold pre vs the SB but the whale BB over called so we peel.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $10.00
BB: $11.97
UTG: $10.10
MP: $7.70
CO: $16.12

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J Q 3 Q

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.35, SB raises to $1.15, BB calls $1.05, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($3.45, 3 players) 5 Q K
SB bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50, Hero raises to $8.85 and is all-in, fold, BB calls $6.35

Turn: ($23.65, 2 players) 9

River: ($23.65, 2 players) 2

Hero shows J Q 3 Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 67%, Flop 79%, Turn 93%)
BB shows 9 5 5 J (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 33%, Flop 21%, Turn 8%)
Hero wins $22.47


Nothing like a 7bet preflop all-in. Turn sweat was real.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $9.65
Hero (BB): $11.23
CO: $10.37
BTN: $25.19

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 9 A 5 A

fold, fold, SB raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, SB raises to $1.80, Hero raises to $5.40, SB raises to $9.00, Hero raises to $11.23 and is all-in, SB calls $0.65 and is all-in

Flop: ($19.30, 2 players) J 3 2

Turn: ($19.30, 2 players) 9

River: ($19.30, 2 players) A

SB shows J T 7 8 (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 40%, Flop 34%, Turn 38%)
Hero shows 9 A 5 A (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 61%, Flop 66%, Turn 63%)
Hero wins $18.34


I have the entire weekend off so I'll have some time to play. Most likely I'm going to treat myself to a few NLHE MTT's as well. Still digging those when I have time.
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:16 AM   #40
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Friday night mine field session complete. Played four tables for a bit more than two hours and snagged 47 BB/100. The main adjustment I made tonight was to tighten up my preflop ranges because every table had a few people playing 75-85% of hands. Normal Friday night stuff. Not going to post a slew of hands because most of them are fairly straight forward...except this gem where I got it in really really poorly against a terrible recreational player. It's just bad bad bad but sometimes you get lucky.




Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $14.42
Hero (CO): $10.38
BTN: $10.01
SB: $15.30
BB: $18.40
UTG: $8.50

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A 7 A 4

UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.60, fold, fold, fold, fold, MP calls $1.15

Flop: ($3.45, 2 players) 8 3 8
MP checks, Hero bets $2.40, MP raises to $10.48, Hero calls $6.38 and is all-in

Turn: ($21.01, 2 players) 2

River: ($21.01, 2 players) 5

MP shows 6 Q Q 8 (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 35%, Flop 86%, Turn 85%)
Hero shows A 7 A 4 (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 65%, Flop 14%, Turn 15%)
Hero wins $19.96
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Brutal day today. Dropped about 8 buy-ins over 2 sessions of roughly 1k hands. Ran about half of that under ev. Big pots were either chopped or lost. I had quite a few hands as 70-80% favorites when the money went in that didn't go my way.

I really don't know how to play aces on the flop. So many times you pot it pre after limpers and get at least two calls. Either the board texture is poor and you're not putting more money in or have an overpair and flush draw and run into a set or something else with decent equity. I need to review a lot of these spots.

Whatever, bankroll is plenty healthy. I almost never have decent sessions on the weekend it seems regardless of the adjustments I make playing against a table full or recs.
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What's your ACR screenname? GL this weekend
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Okay so I filtered out all AAxx hands at $10 PLO and it turns out I'm winning 235bb/100 with all combos. I'm not sure if that's decent or not.



However last night I lost three buy-ins during the last hour and a few of them were pretty close together which probably led me to my earlier comment about confusion with how to play there hands. Here are three of those hands.


Villain is 79/43 pre over 74 hands. Not sure if this is a spew or not. Versus this player I just went with it holding an 8 blocker.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG): $20.16
MP: $9.74
CO: $10.00
BTN: $18.14
SB: $33.39
BB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 8 A K A

Hero raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, fold, BTN calls $0.35, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.20, 3 players) 9 7 T
Hero bets $0.85, MP raises to $3.69, fold, Hero raises to $12.21, MP calls $5.70 and is all-in

Turn: ($19.98, 2 players) 8

River: ($19.98, 2 players) 8

Hero shows 8 A K A (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 61%, Flop 32%, Turn 18%)
MP shows 9 J 9 T (Full House, Nines full of Eights)
(Pre 39%, Flop 68%, Turn 83%)
MP wins $18.99


Versus a reg, IDK maybe this is a ck/call on the flop?


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): $10.76
CO: $9.50
BTN: $18.75
SB: $4.90
BB: $35.04
UTG: $15.21

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A 2 T A

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.05, fold, BTN calls $1.05, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.30, 3 players) 5 4 6
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.14, BTN raises to $12.56, fold, Hero calls $6.57 and is all-in

Turn: ($22.72, 2 players) 4

River: ($22.72, 2 players) 2

Hero shows A 2 T A (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 60%, Flop 35%, Turn 25%)
BTN shows 7 8 J 9 (Straight, Eight High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 65%, Turn 75%)
BTN wins $21.59


Villain is an 87/38 over 209 hands. Top set and an OESD on the flop.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $13.05
SB: $9.25
Hero (BB): $10.50
UTG: $7.69
MP: $8.39
CO: $4.17

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A A 8 7

fold, MP raises to $0.35, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.05, MP calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15, 2 players) 6 A 5
Hero bets $2.05, MP calls $2.05

Turn: ($6.25, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $5.94, MP calls $5.29 and is all-in

River: ($16.83, 2 players) 3

Hero shows A A 8 7 (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 67%, Flop 68%, Turn 26%)
MP shows 4 8 9 4 (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 33%, Flop 32%, Turn 74%)
MP wins $15.99


Not sure what to make of these hands. I'll spend some more time reviewing other AAxx spots in my DB though and keep working on it.
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:04 PM   #45
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Not a lot of table time so far this week. Kid started back up at school today and I'm on a stretch at work. After tonight I have the next 4 nights off though. As a nice little kicker I just received an email notifying me that my rakeback with ACR is now active. Not too shabby.
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Old 08-26-2018, 09:49 PM   #46
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Had a pretty interesting session today. Ran a few buyins below ev and I was a net loser but I feel like I played one of the better session of PLO to date. There are a few areas that I've needed to improve upon namely I cbet too low and overfold on the flop. I've basically over adjusted with some of the things I learned during the month I had my training site subscription. I didn't renew it because I knew I wouldn't be able to play a lot at the time it was up for renewal. Anyways I loosened up in spots where I hadn't been betting or folding a bit too tight and I managed to pick up a lot more pots post flop attacking what seemed like weakness from my opponents. Something to keep building on. Here's today's graph though.


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August is in the books.

10PLO Graph




Had a good month in terms of learning PLO. During the last week I really focused on post flop play. I started making adjustments to my cbetting frequency and found I was under cbetting and overfolding on flops when I wasn't the preflop aggressor. You can see some big dips in my redline but here's a graph showing the last week.




Ran pretty poorly in terms of ev but it's such a small sample. This is one or two sessions for most people. As I stated earlier volume wasn't going to be the focus. Most of my sessions were 2 tabling and paying close attention to everything going on.

The other really big step I took was studying on post flop SPR's and when to stack off based on effective stack sizes post based on potential equity in a hand. Didn't run too well at the end but I'm please with my progression.

Here's the overview from all hands/stakes played.



I have a little 100PLO in there. I had a few weekend "fun" sessions where I splash around with a buyin for an hour or two while I watch Twitch or some Netflix and relax.

September Goal

10k hands?

This might be a tough one. For the first few weeks I have a lot of overtime at work and then off for two weeks where I'll be going to Vegas for my brother-in-laws bachelor party. We're only gone for four days so most of that two weeks will be off. May have to paint the house, not sure yet. I know 10k hands is pretty low but I two table for the most part for an hour or two when I play so I may get 400-600 hands in per session. I logged around 45 hours in August with 95 table sessions. Happy with the hours in Aug but I think I can do a little more at the table. We'll see how it goes.
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Three days into September and I managed to log winning sessions all three days. Feels pretty good. I've been doing a little work away from the tables on starting hands which I felt really paid off this session. Mostly hand ranges for late position opens and I found I've been missing some opportunities. Part of the learning curve I suppose. Here's today's graph (mostly two tabling).




And some fun hands...


Illustration of how I've been running ev wise lately.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $10.00
CO: $7.64
BTN: $41.67
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $13.62
UTG: $9.09

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A 2 A 8

UTG calls $0.10, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.55, BB calls $1.45, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.65, 2 players) 7 4 2
Hero bets $3.47, BB calls $3.47

Turn: ($10.59, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $4.98 and is all-in, BB calls $4.98

River: ($20.55, 2 players) 5

Hero shows A 2 A 8 (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens)
(Pre 60%, Flop 56%, Turn 83%)
BB shows J 9 K 8 (Flush, King High)
(Pre 40%, Flop 44%, Turn 18%)
BB wins $19.53


Unknown villain. Wasn't really sure about the correct flop bet sizing here. Top two with a nut blocker but there's an immediate straight on the flop. Down bet the turn crushing the board, lovely river.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $11.38
BTN: $10.00
SB: $9.90
BB: $12.28
UTG: $8.44
Hero (MP): $17.49

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q A K 2

fold, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, fold, SB calls $0.30, fold

Flop: ($0.80, 2 players) Q A J
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.60, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB calls $0.70

River: ($3.00, 2 players) 2
SB bets $2.13, Hero raises to $9.24, SB calls $6.32 and is all-in

SB shows Q 5 A 4 (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 43%, Flop 37%, Turn 6%)
Hero shows Q A K 2 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 57%, Flop 63%, Turn 94%)
Hero wins $18.91


Hand vs a whale ie poker is dead.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $21.52
BB: $6.13
UTG: $13.29
CO: $4.20
BTN: $9.79

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J T T K

fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.05, 3 players) 7 T 7
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, fold

Turn: ($3.05, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.90, Hero raises to $11.60, BTN calls $5.54 and is all-in

River: ($19.93, 2 players) A

Hero shows J T T K (Full House, Tens full of Sevens)
(Pre 34%, Flop 86%, Turn 93%)
BTN shows Q Q K 7 (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 66%, Flop 14%, Turn 8%)
Hero wins $18.94


Same whale.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $14.09
BB: $7.06
UTG: $9.31
MP: $5.27
CO: $10.57
BTN: $12.74

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 2 9 A A

fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.45, BTN calls $0.45, Hero calls $0.40, fold, MP calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.90, 4 players) A 2 Q
Hero bets $1.81, fold, CO calls $1.81, fold

Turn: ($5.52, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, CO bets $5.25, Hero raises to $10.50, CO calls $3.06 and is all-in

River: ($22.14, 2 players) 4

Hero shows 2 9 A A (Full House, Aces full of Queens)
(Pre 72%, Flop 82%, Turn 100%)
CO shows T A K K (Two Pair, Aces and Queens)
(Pre 28%, Flop 18%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $21.04


Biggest hand of the session. We have a non-believer


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $23.73
SB: $12.32
BB: $8.10
UTG: $19.59
CO: $13.19

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J 8 9 T

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, Hero raises to $1.05, SB calls $1.00, fold, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.25, 3 players) 2 9 J
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $2.00, fold, UTG calls $2.00

Turn: ($7.25, 2 players) 5
UTG checks, Hero bets $5.16, UTG calls $5.16

River: ($17.57, 2 players) 7
UTG checks, Hero bets $15.52 and is all-in, UTG calls $11.38 and is all-in

Hero shows J 8 9 T (Straight, Jack High)
(Pre 38%, Flop 74%, Turn 80%)
UTG shows A Q 7 A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 62%, Flop 26%, Turn 20%)
Hero wins $38.32


Monthly hand goal: 794/10,000
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Nice start! GL!
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