Hello, this is Loudpacquiao. 30 year old male in Nashville, TN. This is my second PG&C. The first failed the usual way (run hot, feel unbeatable, run breakeven,feel devestated and stop posting). I really want this to document my rise, and serve as a place for constructive criticism.

I have played NLHE for 6 years. Regularly cashing on Bovada. I would deposit $100, run it up, withdraw and repeat. I started holdem as a complete nit, and it took so long to get out of that and change my mindset towards holdem and poker in general. I was only concerned with showdown value, and viewing everything through that lens makes your red line look horrible lol.

I want to learn PLO bc its honestly more fun. Also I noticed the biggest game in casino was always PLO, and the ppl playing it were not near the best. PLO is a gamblers game, even NLHE pros have leaks where they play PLO on tilt and lose bankrolls. (Just check some of the PG&C here). Also its way less solved.

So my plan is to learn PLO and eventually be able to play and win in Mixed Games. For so long poker=NLHE, but my eyes have been opened to other fun games. This is getting long so:

Goals

• Play 30k hands/ month
• Study/ watch videos 10 hours/ week
• Post 10 hands a week
• Comment on 10 hands a week
• Meditate every day
• Play live PLO in Cincy or Tampa by end of year.
• Use Poker Money to start passive/semi passive invesments

I want this thread to be a place of learning. I remember reading through other people's threads and being motivated to play, I want to return the favor.

Play will begin on ACR. I started with $120 at 10PLO, but now have $63. Once I reach 100PLO i will go back to Ignition. Once I am rolled for live PLO i will take shots. I want to eventually get to grinding the 5/5 PLO and higher in Florida. My extra money will be used to begin finding passive/ semi-
passive investments.

So TLDR

• learn to beat micro plo
• crush low states online plo
• crush live 5/5+PLO in florida and midwest
• learn mix games on the way
• use poker to travel and build up side money to start passive / semi-passive investments

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I got tired late last night and started playing passive with fish. I was getting involved with hands i shouldn't, seeing as how my post flop skills are not good enough. Basically played fit or fold last portion of graph and it shows.

PLO is different, and my holdem brain gets me in trouble. Here are some hands. Feel free to flame away


here i thought I was flipping or favorite. ended up getting it in horrible. is this standard or ima fish?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
CO: 140.5 BB (VPIP: 43.24, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 8.89, Hands: 114)
BTN: 124.5 BB (VPIP: 21.19, PFR: 13.14, 3Bet Preflop: 3.09, Hands: 239)
SB: 114.7 BB (VPIP: 48.15, PFR: 25.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
Hero (BB): 115.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 Q Q K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 3 J 7
SB checks, Hero bets 6.4 BB, UTG raises to 23 BB, fold, Hero raises to 77.6 BB, UTG raises to 97 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 19.4 BB

Turn: (203 BB, 2 players) T

River: (203 BB, 2 players) 8



again standard variance or me being horrible?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 173.6 BB
SB: 135.3 BB (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 1.82, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q 4 2 Q

Hero raises to 2.8 BB, SB calls 2.3 BB, fold

Flop: (6.6 BB, 2 players) 8 T 2
SB checks, Hero bets 4.7 BB, SB raises to 12.5 BB, Hero raises to 43.8 BB, SB calls 31.3 BB

Turn: (94.2 BB, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets 89.5 BB, SB calls 88.7 BB and is all-in

River: (271.6 BB, 2 players) 6

Firstly, I wish you good luck in your endeavors! As a player who will only sit in a NL cash game if there is literally nothing else to play, it pleases me when I hear players seek to expand their poker lives beyond NLHE.

The second PLO hand you posted: Q-Q-2-4 does not warrant an early position raise. Most of the best PLO players I know insta-fold this hand. Your raise pre suggests to me that you should likely avail yourself of more of the PLO books/guides/vids/etc. before giving too much more action. As played, you should expect for Villian to show down the nut diamonds approximately 99% of the time--and the rest of the time Villian will show down the second nuts, which also beats our Q-high flush.

Also: what other games do you seek to learn? PLO and HE are VASTLY different games (NL players learning PLO too often underestimate the extent to which this is so); but they're both "big bet" flop games. Do you seek to learn the stud and draw variants, too? Or by "mixed game" do you mean what is referred to as "half and half": a round of NLHE, then a round of PLO?

If you do seek to learn the other games, keep in mind that they can have steep learning curves. If you wish to learn the mix, here are just a few random thoughts I've shared with others similarly situated:

-Learn LHE to get used to limit play. LHE is a much tougher and much more sophisticated game than most NLHE players understand--especially when played at the mid-to-high stakes levels. It's a good game to start with, IMO, because it will require you to adjust to a much faster pace of action. You will need to make many important decisions, quickly, and this is such an important skill to adopt when making the move from big bet games to mixed games.

-Expect to take large swings in the deuce-to-seven triple draw rounds.

-Remember that stud hi takes a particularly long time to excel in, and that the lessons on your way up will be somewhat expensive. Depending on the ante and bring-in structures, consider playing the stud-hi round rather nitty for a while, and observe what the strongest players are doing well in stud hi, and compare their execution to what you've read about optimal stud play. Like 2-7 triple, stud hi is swingy!

-Answer for yourself whether PLO and Omaha 8 are as different from one another as NLHE and LHE, and ponder why it might be that limit Omaha hi is almost extinct. Asking these KINDS of questions of yourself will help in your overall learning process as you transition to the mix.

I hope some of this proves helpful, and GL GL!!

thanks for taking time to respond

In reference to the Q-Q-2-4, it was 3 handed. I had the BTN, SB was loose passive fish, BB was uber tight nit. So i felt i'm getting HU in position with fish vast majority of time. Does this change things in your view?

My end game is to play the High Stakes Mixed games. This is my long term goal. I have played stud Hi, nothing serious tho. Just small volume a couple of times on Bovada. I have not decided which games to focus on once i get experience in PLO. Maybe PLO8 since its spread in casinos as well. I know in most USA casinos mix games are not spread until higher stakes, so i feel learning PLO and PLO8 will be beneficial to build a roll. I really appreciate the questions you told me to consider and I will probably be asking more questions about mixed games, or order in which to learn in the future.

Again, any advice or comments on my play is appreciated. I'm here to learn and I can accept criticism.

Also as far as studying I have been reading the donkr PLO articles, 2x6 video series with Selbst, and KasinoKrime videos. These are kind of old, but the 2x6 videos are about transitioning and from NLHE and learning fundamentals. I also have Hwang's "PLO Big Strategy", which is more for full ring, but I have been reading the hand structure chapters( donkr PLO articles are based off this, but for Short Hand.)

I know I need to learn to use ProPoker Tools so I can practice equities. Because i'm surprised on the regular at equities looking back at HH.

QQ42ss is a fine open on the button. You should be opening pretty wide in position, as position is even more important in PLO than hold em.

Flop is an easy check back. Your villain is usually going to over-fold if they don't have the nuts or second-nuts, so you want to be polarized in that spot -- nuts or air. The third nut flush is basically a showdown value hand.

You could maybe bet small to force Villain to call it off with sets or 3-pair type hands and start building a pot, but you have to be ready to jettison the hand if he pots it in your face. Villains at those stakes are not sophisticated enough to turn a hand with outs into a bluff, since all such hands are made.

This all sounds right on to me. I'm not sure that I read the hand history correctly the first time?

I'm not familiar with the Selbst vid's, but I will check 'em out! I remember when she was starting to learn the other games, she sat in our 75/150 mix at Borgata one night during a tourney series. It was mid-week, so a lot of the mix reg's were at Parx (as is customary for the mix players in that market), so we were short-handed. She and I played a very interesting Omaha 8 hand heads-up that I will never forget. That was years ago. But even though she was just starting to learn the mix, one could tell that she was such an intense thinker about the games and optimal play, that she would be capable of success in the mix. So I'm interested to see what her vid's are like.

There's also a book by Ken Lo called "A Poker Player's Guide to Mixed Games" that gives a decent rundown on basic strategy for most of the games in the mix--including the badugi variants. Some people disagree with some of what's written in there, but it's like any poker tool: you take the good and leave the rest.

PLO 8 isn't my strongest game, so...

What part of the country are you playing in? Are you playing both live and online?



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