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07-25-2012 , 07:44 PM
Hey cracked, I too am trying to grind low limit omaha high. My bankroll is only 8 bucks tho and the lowest stakes I can find are 2 cent 4 cent so I can go broke easily with only 2 buy-ins. It seems like some of your posted hands you hit your flop in regards to your hand, but you have to think about what other players could have flopped too. Fear the nuts. Look forward to hear on how your doing and maybe we can compete if I get my roll up soon. Also, I think omaha high is a great game to focus on(game of the future?). I recently played 1/2 at the casino and it was softer then 2 cent 4 cent. No joke. I think with your bankroll you should be playing a least 2 tables. You have a general understanding of basic strategy and you would have to get really unlucky to go broke. Alas, JMHO. Gl at the tables
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07-25-2012 , 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackedandBroken
I feel a new goal coming up at the start of August.....no playing zoom.

Mixed game of zoom and 6 max to post a small loss....all the loss on zoom and all the profit on 6max.

Session Hands 221
Total Hands 1636
Bank Roll $88.28
Sesson Profit / Loss $0.29
Profit / Loss $8.28

Is my fold too nitty here? The villan plays it strong with a pot bet on the flop and he made it just a bit too quick for my liking. Only a small sample of 7 hands and no real reads other than he was lining up to be fairly aggressive. Looking back on it I think it was worth seeing the turn and the re-evaluate.

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.41
BTN: $1.67
Hero (SB): $3.42
BB: $1.76
UTG: $0.96
MP: $1.00

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 5 A K K

UTG calls $0.02, MP raises to $0.06, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05, fold, UTG calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.20, 3 players) Q Q 7
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.19, fold, fold

Spoiler:
UTG wins $0.19


Another hand where possibly I was being too nitty. More happy with my fold on this one that the other above. I am losing to a flush and the boat.

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $2.34
BB: $1.72
Hero (UTG): $3.24
CO: $2.13
BTN: $1.88

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J 7 A A

Hero calls $0.02, fold, BTN calls $0.02, fold, BB checks

Flop: ($0.07, 3 players) K J T
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.07, fold, Hero calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.21, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.21, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.20

fold

Spoiler:
Hero mucks J 7 A A (Three of a Kind, Jacks)
BTN wins $0.20
i noticed in alot of your hh's you just seem to flat pre (from utg or what ever) even with double suited aces or decent run downs. Your better off 3betting them and raisin pre. Raise your hands pre more often, your playing way to passive pre.
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07-26-2012 , 03:08 AM
Hey 7ylerdurd3n. Thanks for your input. Totally agree, I think I mentioned above I am finding it difficult to work out what is a raising hand when out of position. I think my play adjusts to the table as well. If they play agro, then I play more passive knowing that when I hit my hand they will do the betting. If its nitty, I'll open up more. Still learning the ropes and need to get a book asap. Gotta start finding that raise button. What do you think the gap between vpip and pfr should be?
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07-26-2012 , 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -evlife
Hey cracked, I too am trying to grind low limit omaha high. My bankroll is only 8 bucks tho and the lowest stakes I can find are 2 cent 4 cent so I can go broke easily with only 2 buy-ins. It seems like some of your posted hands you hit your flop in regards to your hand, but you have to think about what other players could have flopped too. Fear the nuts. Look forward to hear on how your doing and maybe we can compete if I get my roll up soon. Also, I think omaha high is a great game to focus on(game of the future?). I recently played 1/2 at the casino and it was softer then 2 cent 4 cent. No joke. I think with your bankroll you should be playing a least 2 tables. You have a general understanding of basic strategy and you would have to get really unlucky to go broke. Alas, JMHO. Gl at the tables
Thanks for stopping by. Do you have your own PG thread?

If you can afford it, I would increase your bankroll. PLO requires an even bigger bankroll that NLHE does. It is much more swingy as you have seen from my results.

I am playing 3 - 4 tables now. Finding 3 is optimum unless one table is slow. I am also table selecting much more now.

I am defo up for some competition / prop bets. Let me know what you have in mind.

GL and may the run good be with you.
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07-26-2012 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
We've got a PLO study group on skype! (PLO5-PLO10 players atm) pm me your skype
ya do it Like half the people posting in this thread are in it lol, and we got our own PGC threads going too.

Come join the fun
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07-26-2012 , 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaRealClodo
ya do it Like half the people posting in this thread are in it lol, and we got our own PGC threads going too.

Come join the fun
Hey,

Sorry, must have missed this post. I usually try and respond to everything as you have bothered to post here.

My skype is: chrispy_1979

If i am right, most of you are aussies and kiwi's.....might make timing difficult for me, but will try and log in as often as possible. Any schedule drawn up or is it just a see who is on and open for a chat?

I doubt I can add a lot at the moment and still only playing PLO2 at the moment because of bankroll. As soon as I reach $90 I am doing a one BI shot at PLO5. Got crushed Boat vs Quads 10 hands in last time. Got to be able to do better than that next time! lol.
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07-26-2012 , 06:58 PM
Well this just ruined my session.

Pre flop - was a little loose, but was playing to hit a set.

Flop - hit the set, but the straight is on the board. Wanted to lead out into the board and see what happened. Would be happy to take it down there to be honest. If not, I am playing for a boat or the ace for a split pot.

Turn - Another hand gets there. Agonised on the call. Should have folded it there really. Any thoughts?

River - Another hand gets there and I don't fill up. Gotta close it down and fold to the raise. Hoped to SD cheap.

Grateful for your thoughts


PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.00
BTN: $3.26
SB: $3.98
Hero (BB): $3.00
UTG: $2.20

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has K 6 Q K

UTG raises to $0.06, fold, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24, 4 players) T J K
SB checks, Hero bets $0.23, fold, BTN calls $0.23, SB calls $0.23

Turn: ($0.93, 3 players) 7
SB bets $0.90, Hero calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90

River: ($3.63, 3 players) 8
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2.07 and is all-in, fold

fold

Spoiler:
Hero mucks K 6 Q K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
BTN wins $3.50
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07-26-2012 , 09:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackedandBroken
Hey,

Sorry, must have missed this post. I usually try and respond to everything as you have bothered to post here.

My skype is: chrispy_1979

If i am right, most of you are aussies and kiwi's.....might make timing difficult for me, but will try and log in as often as possible. Any schedule drawn up or is it just a see who is on and open for a chat?

I doubt I can add a lot at the moment and still only playing PLO2 at the moment because of bankroll. As soon as I reach $90 I am doing a one BI shot at PLO5. Got crushed Boat vs Quads 10 hands in last time. Got to be able to do better than that next time! lol.
Just one Aussie and the rest US/Canada at at the moment. We're basically just going with a post a hand and if someone is on they'll reply or see it later. We're all in the micros for PLO so no worries on that.

Might be looking to get some scheduled seat sessions or hand talks going at some point though.

Will add you now
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07-27-2012 , 05:01 PM
I just don't get it, I seem to be getting worse.

I am leaking money from just about everywhere. I raise the flop, hit nothing on a wet board and have to fold to aggression.

Maybe I am just on a run bad, but nothing holds......example

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.31
Hero (CO): $3.00
BTN: $1.50
SB: $5.60
BB: $0.58

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has T A T 6

fold, Hero calls $0.02, fold, SB raises to $0.08, BB calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.24, 3 players) 8 T 5
SB bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20, Hero raises to $1.03, SB calls $0.83, BB calls $0.30 and is all-in

Turn: ($2.80, 3 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $1.89 and is all-in, SB calls $1.89

River: ($6.58, 3 players) 7

Spoiler:
SB shows 9 J J 8 (Straight, Jack High) (Pre 32%, Flop 38%, Turn 22%)
Hero mucks T A T 6 (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 26%, Flop 49%, Turn 69%)
BB mucks 5 K 5 K (Three of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 42%, Flop 13%, Turn 8%)
SB wins $6.35
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07-27-2012 , 10:25 PM
First- Raise from CO there unless you expect a 3bet often from BTN.

Rest is wp

he hit one of his 8 outs, unlucky

looks like runbad, welcome to good ol PLO
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07-28-2012 , 05:53 AM
Totally demoralised. Even when I am getting it in ahead, I am getting out drawn. I promised myself this thread would not turn into "woe me" and badbeats, but have to vent it somewhere.

This hand is on another computer so cannot access it, but essentially it was flop a set of 9's fill up to a boat when a 7 pairs.....all in. I have the nut boat, but of course, quads. Thanks for playing.

I even played a bit of NLHE last night to try and clear my head. Flop a boat and get it all in the middle....whats that, the only way you can win is runner runner queens.....oh yeah, here you go. Now please go and make a sacrifice to the poker gods.

Anyhow, the figures are like this

Total Hands 4207
Bank Roll $68.02
Total Profit / Loss -$11.98

Bring on August and some run good
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07-28-2012 , 07:51 AM
ill pray to the poker gods for you

August will be good
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07-28-2012 , 08:06 AM
4000 hands in a high variance game means ****. If you doubt yourself over that sample maybe it's not for you?
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07-28-2012 , 09:34 AM
I am not sure I doubt myself, more that I am getting stung hitting the top of their range. If I folded every boat because I was scared of quads I'd get nowhere.
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07-28-2012 , 01:30 PM
Happy days....just found a £10.00 deposit bonus I did not know about.

Moved to two tables and making more notes. Feel much more comfortable with it. Possibly I was guilty of auto piloting before I even really knew the game.

At least I have plugged the leak for now.
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07-29-2012 , 12:41 PM
Good session this afternoon. Even though I only made a dollar, I was almost $3 down at one point, so it feels like a result.

This was the first hand of the day. I dont think the hand is a raising hand really. I am only really looking to spike a king or a flush. I spike the king, but the flush draw is out there. I know I am the stastical dog here, but should I be calling the turn and the shoving on a brick? From a psychological point of view is it easier for villan to find the fold button with a brick on the turn? Possibly if we were deeper it might be. Not sure. Would be grateful for some thoughts.

I also find it is only ever villan who gets it in and hits in these positions. Grrrrr.

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $3.00
UTG: $5.04
MP: $0.74
CO: $2.43
BTN: $2.29
SB: $0.79

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 2 K 7 K

fold, MP raises to $0.07, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) K T 2
Hero bets $0.10, MP raises to $0.44, Hero raises to $1.46, MP calls $0.23 and is all-in

Turn: ($1.49, 2 players) 4

River: ($1.49, 2 players) Q

Spoiler:
Hero shows 2 K 7 K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 54%, Flop 45%, Turn 55%)
MP shows A J 6 Q (Royal Flush) (Pre 46%, Flop 55%, Turn 45%)
MP wins $1.44
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07-29-2012 , 12:42 PM
Talking about me never hitting

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.46
BTN: $0.18
SB: $1.41
Hero (BB): $3.06
UTG: $3.03
MP: $1.54

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 4 Q J A

fold, fold, CO calls $0.02, fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero raises to $0.04, CO calls $0.02, SB calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.12, 3 players) 9 T 8
SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, fold

Turn: ($0.24, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $0.11, CO calls $0.11

River: ($0.46, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26

Spoiler:
CO shows T 4 9 8 (Full House, Nines full of Tens) (Pre 42%, Flop 32%, Turn 15%)
Hero mucks 4 Q J A (Straight, Queen High) (Pre 58%, Flop 68%, Turn 85%)
CO wins $0.95


This is what makes me play passive as villan always always always hits
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07-29-2012 , 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackedandBroken
Talking about me never hitting

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.46
BTN: $0.18
SB: $1.41
Hero (BB): $3.06
UTG: $3.03
MP: $1.54

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 4 Q J A

fold, fold, CO calls $0.02, fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero raises to $0.04, CO calls $0.02, SB calls $0.02

Flop: ($0.12, 3 players) 9 T 8
SB checks, Hero bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, fold

Turn: ($0.24, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $0.11, CO calls $0.11

River: ($0.46, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets $0.26, Hero calls $0.26

Spoiler:
CO shows T 4 9 8 (Full House, Nines full of Tens) (Pre 42%, Flop 32%, Turn 15%)
Hero mucks 4 Q J A (Straight, Queen High) (Pre 58%, Flop 68%, Turn 85%)
CO wins $0.95


This is what makes me play passive as villan always always always hits
Against a passive villain I like c/f (If he's tight) or b/f of $.20 (If he's loose)

Cheers!
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07-29-2012 , 05:47 PM
In the interests of full disclosure, I did get my fair share of luck here

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.00
BTN: $0.80
SB: $5.30
Hero (BB): $3.00
UTG: $3.80
MP: $1.35

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 9 A A Q

UTG calls $0.02, fold, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.10, SB calls $0.09, Hero calls $0.08, fold, CO calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.42, 4 players) 9 9 3
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, fold, fold, SB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.02, 2 players) 7
SB checks, Hero bets $0.73, SB raises to $3.17, Hero calls $1.87 and is all-in

River: ($6.22, 2 players) A

Spoiler:
SB shows 7 T 8 9 (Full House, Nines full of Sevens) (Pre 36%, Flop 36%, Turn 88%)
Hero shows 9 A A Q (Full House, Aces full of Nines) (Pre 64%, Flop 64%, Turn 13%)
Hero wins $6.00
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07-29-2012 , 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackedandBroken
This was the first hand of the day. I dont think the hand is a raising hand really. I am only really looking to spike a king or a flush. I spike the king, but the flush draw is out there. I know I am the stastical dog here, but should I be calling the turn and the shoving on a brick? From a psychological point of view is it easier for villan to find the fold button with a brick on the turn? Possibly if we were deeper it might be. Not sure. Would be grateful for some thoughts.

I also find it is only ever villan who gets it in and hits in these positions. Grrrrr.

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $3.00
UTG: $5.04
MP: $0.74
CO: $2.43
BTN: $2.29
SB: $0.79

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 2 K 7 K

fold, MP raises to $0.07, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) K T 2
Hero bets $0.10, MP raises to $0.44, Hero raises to $1.46, MP calls $0.23 and is all-in

Turn: ($1.49, 2 players) 4

River: ($1.49, 2 players) Q

Spoiler:
Hero shows 2 K 7 K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 54%, Flop 45%, Turn 55%)
MP shows A J 6 Q (Royal Flush) (Pre 46%, Flop 55%, Turn 45%)
MP wins $1.44
Villain had a massive hand here. Very likely they're going to hit something with it. What do you mean about calling the turn? You have to get it in on this flop all day with top set if you can. Doesn't really matter what happens after and it simplifies your decisions to scary turns. It sucks that you're holding a blocker to full house outs but still have to get it in - many times you will see a set or top 2 here as well. Be honest here...if a diamond or straight card hits were you going to check/fold top set? I'm guessing the answer is you'll probably check/call.

Villain won't fold turn, the hand is too big to fold and if you're deeper then there's greater implied odds so even less chance they will fold. It's just one of those standard PLO hands which play themselves out where you both have massive hands and want to get it in on the flop.
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07-30-2012 , 01:13 PM
If only everyday was like this

Session Hands 10
Session Profit $4.24

The very first hand

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $1.81
Hero (CO): $3.00
BTN: $1.33
SB: $1.19
BB: $0.28
UTG: $2.99

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has 7 T A A

UTG calls $0.02, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, fold, SB calls $0.07, BB calls $0.06, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.32, 4 players) T 3 7
SB checks, BB bets $0.06, UTG calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.42, fold, BB calls $0.14 and is all-in, UTG calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.36, 3 players) 7
UTG bets $1.31, Hero raises to $2.50 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.18 and is all-in

River: ($6.34, 3 players) 9

Spoiler:
UTG shows 6 3 8 7 (Full House, Sevens full of Threes) (Pre 26%, Flop 20%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 7 T A A (Full House, Sevens full of Tens) (Pre 47%, Flop 70%, Turn 94%)
BB shows 6 K K J (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens) (Pre 27%, Flop 10%, Turn 6%)
Hero wins $6.12


5th hand after having changed tables and everyone quit! lol

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $2.06
BTN: $1.93
Hero (SB): $3.00
BB: $1.14
UTG: $1.46
MP: $2.10

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J 8 6 Q

fold, fold, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08, 4 players) 2 J J
Hero bets $0.06, BB raises to $0.20, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.48, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BB bets $0.46, Hero calls $0.46

River: ($1.40, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BB bets $0.46 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.46

Spoiler:
BB shows K 3 J 4 (Straight, Six High) (Pre 50%, Flop 60%, Turn 78%)
Hero shows J 8 6 Q (Full House, Jacks full of Sixes) (Pre 50%, Flop 40%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $2.24


I insta quit before my luck ran out. Anyone else carry on playing?
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07-30-2012 , 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrackedandBroken
I insta quit before my luck ran out. Anyone else carry on playing?
erm..yeah? Why would you stop just because you're winning? You think because you had some good luck by cutting your session short you will prevent the bad luck? You will have to play again another time, if your game doesn't change regardless of your P&L you have no reason to stop.
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07-30-2012 , 03:48 PM
Ok so I know it's a day early, but going to review July and set my goals for August.

July Goals were as follows

[X] play 2000 hands of PLO by the end of July
[X] man up and make a decision on a HUD
[ ] get bank roll to $100 by end of July
[ ] every 3 days post 1 hand I played well, 1 hand I played badly and
one completely random hand from that days play

2 out of 4 is not bad.

Played 4665 hands so crushed objective number 1.

Decided on PT3 for the HUD. Although I preferred HEM2, I think having access to PT4 free of charge when it comes out really swayed it for me.

Bankroll is sitting at $93.37. This has been bloated by a £10.00 bonus as well so really it is sitting at around $80.00. Breakeven over 4665 as first introduction to PLO is hopefully not too bad. Onwards and upwards from here.

The last objective was a little ambitious only because I played far more sessions that I thought I would. I need to revise that for August.

August Goals

[ ] Play 5000 hands
[ ] Read one PLO book
[ ] Review my own hands after each session and post 5 hands for review each week
[ ] No zoom. If I cannot commit to 1 hour of playing, then don't play.
[ ] Watch 1 PLO video (you tube? - any suggestions?)
[ ] Table select. Avoid aggro tables and target passive tables. Make more money without SD
[ ] Get bankroll to $110

I think that is enough for one month.

Go......
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07-30-2012 , 04:16 PM
Why would you avoid aggro tables? I love them personally. There's nothing better than spewy people who pot bet everything pre-flop and on the flop. Better than just winning a little bit of blinds and getting in against top of the range hands.
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07-30-2012 , 04:23 PM
You need more BIs to play aggro tables and get past the variance
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