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Originally Posted by Aaralynn
>200/month
-wrong
>implying joining forces with bfizz11/turbokings isn't massively +ev for both parties
-wrong
>implying people making millions don't push edges
-wrong
Pretty hilarious he uses BBZ, of all stables, to showcase his point.
Pads gonna Pads
My point was more, people believe poker staking is easy, they probably think I made 7 figures from it or something but its really not the case.
I definitely do not make $1m from it and its very very unlikely anybody else does either. Sure Pocarr/BBZ are still around but what the hundreds that failed?
Sure people have made money for me, but what about the dozens of people I've dropped in 5 figure makeup.
Think of it this way:
I have a guy who wins $100k in 12 months
In the next year he goes on downswing, I spend a lot of time trying to fix it, rectify it but in the end drop him for $30k (very common situation)
With this guy I have:
1- Initially profited $50k
2- Spent 24 months of coaching at around $1k/month cost
3- Spent roughly 2 hours/month personally on (roughly $5k cost over the 2 years)
4- Dropped 30k worth of makeup.
So the horse who it looks won 70k for me and I got 75k, I actually LOST $9K.
People only see the rosy side of staking, but like I have said so many times, its so so so ****ing hard. Poker is literally easiest thing in the world compared to staking. If it is easy thing there would be dozens and dozens of guys making huge huge money through it, but I guarantee theres not.
I am in my "peak" years, I can be learning something very big right now, studying, getting an internship somewhere really cool, focusing on poker, or whatever else but I choose to do it on staking, its a cool thing which hits a lot of my interest points. I love when there is a new staking team, very often they will make heaps of mistakes and players in my games will be big losers and players in my horses games will be big losers who I'll be making money from, remember every player (including myself, I think I'm 3rd best player in every SHR ffs) thinks they are way better than they are, it is NOT hard to have a pretty sharkscope graph and it IS hard to be able to analyse the data properly, thus many new stakers (including still currently myself) get game selection very, very wrong.
For the guys who I know try as hard as me like BBZ/Rob at Pocarr etc I treat it in a way where they are basically the same as me. If they had the info I had then I would want them to tell me if it was opposite. I have never met BBZ before but I really think all the staking teams should work together (sure I wrote this just few days ago) there is such a big divide between them because of the huge competition which makes it difficult for people to accept. But staking companies individually are keeping tournaments alive and staking companies collectively could help the industry more than anybody else. They could force almost every negative change away from every site if they wanted to do it.
Its also a little bit like poker, I give away so much free strategy to competition, other hs regs, speak about hands etc rather than just keep it to myself, that was always the case on 2p2 back in the day, sharing info, it is fun, cool, nice to have people who are very similar to you etc, with staking I see it really similar. There are few big players
Demetri - Get on exceptionally well with, play for same football team, would see myself doing business with him in the future
Rob - Will always get on with him really well and have great relationship
BBZ - Never met before but have huge respect for
I really like speaking to all of them, would love to all sit together at dinner in Vegas etc, all I was trying to say is that staking is so bloody tough and all of those ^ would definitely agree and many, many others who have lost hundreds of thousands if not millions would tell you exactly the same thing.
I genuinely make more money because of staking companies (not including my own obv) than I would if there was none around. In fact I most likely wouldnt be playing poker anymore if there wasn't such thing as staking, it would be basically dead.
Quote from Moorman interview:
"I don’t regret staking, but I have no interest in ever doing it again"