I wouldn't advice you to call with 9J off suited unless there's a big fish in the hand. You won't win so much postflop the very rarely times you make a big hand but you can lose some when outkicked or in scnearios such a this especially oop.

this stake is easy just play a tight style and try to guess what each action of your opponents represent, what history is he telling you by the size of the bet, the timing, the street he bets, the card he bets. In this stake they tell you what they have easily you just gotta read the many signs

For sure. I called that one PF because I was getting 6:1 on a call, which I think is ok? Can easily get away from it even if I do flop a pair. Should I have gotten away from it on the river?

Plus side - this session I was down 350BB, but have managed to make all that back and am now running even for the day. Also, my AI EV is + 140BB for the day, so can't be mad

no, your calling is ok its only a few blinds. My point is would you call with 27 if you're getting 6:1, you should be thinking ahead and with 9Jo in a 3way very small pot there isn't much ahead to think about

Roger that.

I guess this one is probably standard, but I was close to folding this one. The guy just flatted my 3-bet PF, so wasn't putting him on JJ or better. He was fairly tightish though, 22/18. Flop call ok?

Gross gross gross. Should I have folded here? Don't think I could've got away from this...



Not sure if I played this right (below). When the guy raised I figured I was best just shipping it, as it was a 3-way... But dunno if that was a good play or not.

Even after some rough spots I'm up 120BB for the day, and that's running 130BB below EV.

The beatings continue!! BLEHH

And continue Bit tilted after running into a set with an overpair/lower set for about the 8th time today.

i think you should of just called the turn and see the river

Agreed. Was definitely a tilt move.

In retrospect I actually reckon folding the turn is ok. If he's bets that flop, calls my raise and leads out again on turn, KQ doesn't beat much.

when you raise the flop and he calls, he could have AQ or the flush draw as well, the bet on the turn could be him trying to set the price with his draw

but it could also be that hes tring to make you spaz out with a set or AQ, KJ is also a possibility i guess, doubt he has QT most of the time

you could call again and see if he continues again on the river and check back with showdown value incase he has AQ and is scared for some reason

next time when you flat his raise with KJ in position (play wide in position! now you see why) you could play the same line, check the turn and jamm the river with ur straight when he bets his stupid set that he will NEVER fold

*unless the river completes a flush, bet/fold in that situation when turn goes check/check*

Yerp I'm definitely flatting more hands in position, and stealing pretty much 100% of the time in unraised pots (unless villain or villains are loose, or if a super TAG villain has limped) from CO/BTN/SB.

So far... 13BI below EV still happy with that AI EV line though.

just runnin bad, it will happen dont let it bring you down, your making the right moves obviously, you just happened to start off on the wrong side of EV, if you can make it thru ur first downer u will the 2nd 3rd 4th...

keep it up man

Thanks bud. Looking forward to running +EV and moving up to NL5.

On another note, what sort of gradient should my redline have?

To be honest I wouldn't be too concerned about the dreadful red line

It could be break even if you pick the right spots to bluff and fold but in the micros anything can happen so having a negative could still result in being a big winning player

I would suggest reading up on any redline threads already posted or simply starting one yourself, everyone has a different opinion on the matter and soon you will decide how it will influence your play, everyone has their own style

Play the way that wins the most money and never just imitate another player, make every bet/fold have a reason why you decided that was the correct play at the moment and question it here on the forums to get feed back

If you disagree with the feedback on 2+2 your data base will reveal if it was the correct play or not (assuming you go to showdown) after you gather enough data to analyze hands that went to showdown

Tough spots. A day of grossness.

Sets/trips seem to responsible for losing me money today


Did I play this bad? Should I have just folded the flop? Doesn't seem like I can - villain had only sat down couple of hands before.








This one was disgusting.












BLEGHHH. Poker is brutal

Milestone!! 10k hands completed!! Today was the second day out of like 9 that I've run over EV, and first day that I'm in profit overall! Am still getting SPANKED by EV, but that AI EV line looks nice.



Had a nice little heater earlier but then got spanked by running KK into a flopped set of queens. Goddamn aggro players shouldn't be allowed to flop sets.

Villain is 3.3/0.0, 0.0 3-bet, 0%steal after 200 hands. Tight as a nun's nasty. I just can't see KK beating anything he would play like that. I mighta made a bad fold, but in NL2 they seem to have it in these situations. Thoughts?

Just lost some ridiculous hands. I'm sure nobody wants to read about disgusting hands like QQ > AA or AK > KK, am now 16BI behind EV from when I started

Am up 2.5BI over 11k hands. AI EV up 18.5BI. So disgusting.

So I caught some rancid cold/flu off somebody, not feeling so good today so only put in an hour or two of playing.

Pretty happy with my stats so far. This graph is all from NL2. I'm only 5BI up from where I'm started, but still about 12.5 BI below EV and my AI EV indicates a winrate of about 17-18 BB/100 so far. I'm just hoping I can keep it above 10BB/100, or 15BB/100 (maybe a little bit presumptuous...) for the next 10k hands.




Interesting point on that graph... My redline seems to be dropping way faster over the past 2-3k hands, even though my winrate is higher. Pretty sure this is due to having so many more loose players around today and yesterday (weekend donks maybe?). It's way less feasible to steal/3-bet/c-bet (with air) profitably when there's so many loose players around, and I've had to adjust and tighten up accordingly, i.e. not worrying about trying to steal from loose players in the blinds or barrel every flop IP, because these donks will call down a lot wider than the regs who play during the week. So, I'm not able to steal anywhere near as many pots, either PF or OTF, and am therefore losing more without showdown compared to the first 10k hands. However, as I've tightened right up and just value bet the pants off everything, my showdown winnings have gone up drastically. This is what it seems like to me anyway. I guess it could easily just be variance and I'm reading into it too much.

I do have a question. After reading up a bunch and watching my stats, I have tightened up my PF range OOP to the point where I'll happily fold AJ UTG. Is this good? Or is this too tight? Also, how should one play KQs UTG in a FR NL2 game full of TAG players? It seems sort of close. Folding seems a little tight, calling seems bad (except to mix up from time to time) and raising seems like I risk getting called by a hand that dominates me. Am thinking folding is still the best option though. Thoughts?

Gl sir sub'd

I wouldn't really worry too much about running under EV as it's pretty much meaningless anyways just focus on improving your own game. Also wouldn't be worrying about red line at 2nl either tbh..

KQs i sometimes open if fish are in the blinds but otherwise i'll dump it, you really want to just tighten up in EP and open up more in LP, what are your stats so far?

Thanks for the advice.

Stats are 23.5/15.4/2.7, 62% steal, 55% c-bet. Over past 8k hands

39.5/29.5 from the btn
13.1/9.7 from UTG

Think I need to be throwing away low pairs from EP more, I generally open or sometimes flat with a low pair and think it's a bad idea generally.