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10-29-2010 , 02:37 PM
I've been playing since Dec 2008, fairly consistently (almost every night as I have a full time job during the day), I have had tons of up and downs, essentially a roller coaster experience, coaching from various people, have read tons of poker books, listen to podcasts everyday in my car including the TwoPlusTwo podcast, Mike and Adam do a great job, good stuff! Essentially, I'm obsessed as much as I can be with a full time job and a family. I play about 20 hours a week give or take 5hrs depending on my schedule. I have multiple databases so I don't know exactly but I'm guessing I've played somewhere around 800k-900k hands since Dec 2008

I'm currently playing NL50 and NL100, FR and SH, and NL50 HU. I'm also playing PLO25 and PLO50, mostly on Stars but some on Full Tilt. I played in a NL 1500 buyin tourney at WSOP this year but typically avoid tourney's in general as I prefer cash games. I had my roll up to about 8500 a few weeks ago before I had a bad shot taking experience at NL200 and NL400 (I know, I should have avoided NL400 all together with my BR size, ironically I was winning at NL400 and getting killed at NL200). So I'm back at NL50 and NL100, I think I figured out what I was doing lately to cause me to play bad, basically in a nutshell hyper aggression (I changed my game when I moved up to combat the perceived extra aggression and skill of the better players).

For the longest time I was on a roller coaster, BR up, BR down, moving up, moving back down, all of it self inflicted, moving up too fast, changing my game, tilt. I think I have some of this under control now, or at least I control it better than I have in the past. I came 4000 vpp's away from Supernova at the end of 2009, couldn't finish it out though because I destroyed my roll right before the end of the year playing too high and too many tables. It was agonizing being that close but I realized I needed to start from scratch and I have used 2010 to rebuild from NL10 briefly through NL25, NL50, and now NL100. My roll is about 4100 at the moment, I'll get the exact numbers tonight when I get home (I had to cash out 1k for a new comp or it would be higher).

I've begun to make some decent money, but with the amount of hours I have available to play, I really need to get up to NL200 at least to start making a serious impact on my finances, something higher would be even better, hence my goal of NL1000 with a stretch of NL2000. These goals seem a long ways away playing as low as NL50 right now, not to mention that my game feels shaky at the moment because I'm trying to get back to where I was the past couple of months where I was playing very well after a coaching session for 2.5 months straight, I need to get back to that kind of play.

I run about 22/19 in FR and about 28/24 in SH currently, and I play about 9-12 tables depending on how many FR or SH tables I have open as I can play more FR at one time. I'm definitely stronger at FR or at least feel more comfortable at it, but I know I need to master SH and HU to improve my game and I really enjoy HU even if I haven't done that well so far. I'll keep my screen name's to myself for now in this thread, may release it to the wild at some point.

I've been inspired to start this thread by YouFaiil's thread in the poker goals & challenges section. He's gotten a lot of help by posters on here and is doing well, I figure that this thread will make me post some hands and get the criticism of my game I think I need to reach my goals, hopefully I can take this criticism and make positive changes to my game where needed (my wife tells me I have a huge ego and I think she's right so I'll be working on that, humility is good . I don't play every single night but I will post my biggest winning and losing hands and updates as I go along.

Here we go, thanks in advance for any help!
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10-29-2010 , 03:11 PM
I cannot believe how similar our stories are, especially the part about my huge ego. When my wife found out I had a thread were people gave me advice she was more than surprised lol.

Anyways, this thread is a great tool to keep motivated and become a better player. I will subscribe and try to give you any advice and help along your way.

Good luck
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10-30-2010 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by architectpro
I cannot believe how similar our stories are, especially the part about my huge ego. When my wife found out I had a thread were people gave me advice she was more than surprised lol.

Anyways, this thread is a great tool to keep motivated and become a better player. I will subscribe and try to give you any advice and help along your way.

Good luck
Thanks for posting and following this thread Architect, I saw your posts in youfaiils thread but didn't know you had your own thread, I'll start following that as well and comment if I can help.

Yeah, my wife will think it's pretty crazy if she finds out about this thread, she'll probably get on here and crack a few jokes about my play, she always says I should listen to her more often, she's a pretty good player herself, I probably SHOULD listen to her more....

Had a pretty bad start tonight to my goal, down about $550, I was about 270 under EV and I ran bad as well, but I'm pretty sure I was overplaying some hands too, will post a recap of that session and some of the worst hands that I feel I played badly.
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10-30-2010 , 03:48 AM
So here's a recap of my session tonight, I'll leave out the bad beats and just go with what I think were my poorly played hands. This is the first time I've ever posted hands on the net so please be gentle

First, my graph of the session: Actually, not sure how to post an image, anyone have a link to the instructions for this?

Let's try some hand histories...



Villian is 14/11/3.7 over 569 hands, solid FR reg, blind vs blind battle, call turn, evaluate river if miss draw? His large bet on turn looked fishy to me, I guess I didn't need to semi-bluff with top pair though because I have showdown value if he's bluffing and draw misses and he checks river...

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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UTG: $114.50
UTG+1: $109.15
MP: $102.65
CO: $209.85
BTN: $97.45
Hero (SB): $107.00
BB: $120.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with 6 K
5 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) 5 T K (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises to $10, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($26.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $22, Hero raises to $94 all in, BB calls $72

River: ($214.00) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $214.00
Hero shows 6d Kd (a pair of Kings)
BB shows Ts Kc (two pair, Kings and Tens)
BB wins $211.00
(Rake: $3.00)


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Solid 6max reg, we had been battling a bit, he was running 26/22/1.5


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Hero (BTN): $102.65
SB: $201.95
BB: $101.50
UTG: $100.00
MP: $38.50
CO: $123.05

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Q K
2 folds, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, CO calls $4

Flop: ($15.50) 9 2 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($15.50) J (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero raises to $30, CO calls $20

River: ($75.50) 6 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $65.65 all in, CO calls $65.65

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $206.80
Hero shows Qc Ks (high card King)
CO shows Jd Th (a pair of Jacks)
CO wins $203.80
(Rake: $3.00)


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Another good reg, felt like he was 3betting too much and was polarized here, and maybe missed a draw on river, his 6max stats were 23/18/4


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $100.00
SB: $91.70
BB: $107.35
Hero (UTG): $100.00
MP: $275.15
CO: $163.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises to $3, MP calls $3, CO calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($10.50) Q T 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $6, MP raises to $18, CO folds, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($46.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $22, Hero calls $22

River: ($90.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $232.15 all in, Hero calls $57 all in

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $204.50
Hero shows Qh Kc (a pair of Queens)
MP shows Td Ts (three of a kind, Tens)
MP wins $202.50
(Rake: $2.00)


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Mega fish, 67/27/.9


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $100.00
MP: $92.50
CO: $77.85
Hero (BTN): $101.05
SB: $263.15
BB: $58.65

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 2 3
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 2 7 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($14.50) 2 (2 players)
BB bets $7, Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $51.65 all in, Hero calls $31.65

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $117.80
Hero shows 2h 3d (a full house, Deuces full of Sevens)
BB shows 7d 4s (a full house, Sevens full of Deuces)
BB wins $115.80
(Rake: $2.00)



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same mega fish as above, can I lose less here and find a bet fold on river? Too aggro with TPTK?


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $100.00
UTG: $90.35
MP: $100.00
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $257.30
SB: $128.15

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with K A
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.00) 4 5 K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4

Turn: ($15.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8

River: ($31.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $36, Hero calls $18

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $103.00
Hero mucks Kh Ah
SB shows 5c 6h (a full house, Sixes full of Fives)
SB wins $101.00
(Rake: $2.00)


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Another mega fish - 67/0/5


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $50.00
MP2: $99.65
CO: $30.95
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $57.50
BB: $50.00
UTG: $67.05
UTG+1: $48.55
UTG+2: $48.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with T K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.50, UTG+2 calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.75) K K 8 (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $2.50, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($11.75) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $6.50, Hero raises to $13, UTG+1 raises to $44.05 all in, Hero calls $31.05

River: ($99.85) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $99.85
Hero shows Td Kd (three of a kind, Kings)
UTG+1 shows 8h 8c (a full house, Eights full of Kings)
UTG+1 wins $96.85
(Rake: $3.00)


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preflop passive player, 20/3/1.4 over 150 hands


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG+1: $101.50
UTG+2: $118.35
MP1: $107.15
MP2: $54.25
CO: $220.50
BTN: $13.60
SB: $47.30
Hero (BB): $159.25
UTG: $108.60

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with J T
6 folds, BTN calls $1, SB raises to $2, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($6.00) A 9 Q (3 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, BTN folds, SB calls $10

Turn: ($36.00) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $30.30 all in, Hero calls $10.30

River: ($96.60) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $96.60
SB shows Ah Kc (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Hero shows Jd Td (a pair of Queens)
SB wins $93.60
(Rake: $3.00)


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Bluff gone wrong here, hoping he would fold on turn A, villian is 23/18/4... better way to play it?




Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $100.00
BB: $94.00
UTG: $89.85
Hero (MP): $155.55
CO: $199.15
BTN: $58.15

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, CO calls $3, 3 folds

Flop: ($7.50) 4 J 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $6, Hero raises to $17, CO calls $11

Turn: ($41.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $25, CO calls $25

River: ($91.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $51, Hero folds

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $91.50
CO wins $89.50
(Rake: $2.00)

Last edited by Dr._Hyde; 10-30-2010 at 04:04 AM.
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10-30-2010 , 04:39 AM
No comments about your hands, i'm a SnG player (we don't play postflop ) You can upload an image to imageshack.us (works if your not in the US also), and it gives you the ''code'' to paste into here, after uploading it will automatically go to another page where it has a bunch of 'codes' to share your image. The one you want is the 'Forum Code'. Just copy and paste it in your post and there you have it. GL.
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10-30-2010 , 05:21 AM
Just happened to drop by. I'll give some quick advice on your hands before going to bed.

- Flop is alright if he will be raising gutshots and stuff occasionally. A turn shove accomplishes nothing. He's going to fold all his draws and call it off with any hand that beats you. Just call and play a river (check/call diamond and probably check/fold all else without better reads or reason to believe that he's bluff raising and barreling off).

- Here you are setting money on fire. Your hand looks exactly like what you have. Either bet the flop and continue on most turn cards, or just call the turn. Give up river after raising turn as your range remains the same.

- Fold the flop. His raise with one player left to act is very strong unless he's overly aggressive and spewy. You're either dead or he has a ton of outs, so spare yourself the trouble. You're behind his range. Having called the flop I can't fault the turn call. On the river he's sized it up well for value and it doesn't look like he has much fold equity AT ALL given your range for calling twice, so he shouldn't be bluffing (unless he's bad or thinks you're good enough to realize this and will fold, which is not the case), so fold.

- Fold preflop. The flop bet, turn check and river raise is fine (given that he might find a call with a pocket pair or Ax) but calling the river 3-bet is like setting money on fire. He has 7x here always (didn't look at results).

- Betting three streets is the only way to go, but you could bet a little bit larger all around I think (no big deal). Snap fold to the river minraise. No one bluffs like this and he always has the straight or a six (unless he has a boat). (Didn't look at results).

- Just call the turn. When he leads his range is typically polarized between a decent king or air (although some will lead a mid pocket pair here for some reason). Raising at any point against that range with KT doesn't accomplish anything. Also, by calling the flop and raising the turn small you're basically declaring that you have a king. If you had KQ or better I would find a raise at some point. With KT, call down. (Didn't look at results).

- You say you're playing a preflop passive player. When this player raises from the blinds and c-bet an ace high board, he's got a decent hand. Even though you have a really good draw, raising doesn't accomplish much as he's rarely going to fold (could fold KK perhaps). On the turn he's not going to fold either, so just check it back. If you bet you have to call it off, of course. (Didn't look at results).

- This doesn't make any sense. With what value hand would you check/raise the flop here? And even if you did do it with many value hands, it doesn't matter because no one will expect you to do that for value. Your hand looks a lot like some weird spazz play (which is what you have), often with AQ/AK type hands. So if I for some weird reason found myself on the turn I would bet. And then I would shove the river. Having checked the river I'd probably call, actually. He shouldn't be betting a jack here in fear of you having Ax, or any worse pocket pair. The only hands that he should be betting here are AJ or some other Ax two pair combination, or JdXd, and he could still have missed hearts (if he's not great). So I'd call. (Didn't look at results).

I say that I didn't look at results because whilst they are pretty obvious, they never affect the thoughts process or analysis of a hand. If they show up with something crazy that's just new information you didn't have at the time. Just wanted to point out that I'm not biased by the results, and I wouldn't be even if I had seen them.

Hope this helps. Good luck!
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10-30-2010 , 05:25 AM
Hey, great to see you made the thread, it's definitely worth it with the help you'll get. Interesting story as well, didn't know you played such a variety of games now.

First hand: I much prefer check calling the turn as I think when we shove he rarely calls with worse, and as he raised the flop he either has air or your beat, its a dry board so theres only a very small amount of draws there. We don't see sets here a lot as hell 3bet TT/KK. So I think c/c turn, re evaluate river because then it becomes super thin and without reads that hell bet super super thin on the river, we're rarely ahead.

Second hand: 3bet pre is fine imo considering how wide a 26/22 CO range is, what was his fold to 3bet if you remember? I think im just calling turn because you don't want to pump money in on smaller chances you'll get there unless of course you think he's taking a stab and will fold the river. I think the shove on the river is fine imo, he can miss a lot of draws and probably doesn't have a flush here as he might 4bet/shove the turn as you represent a lot of strength. Also the stack to pot sizes are awkward you can't bet small ish without leaving yourself with $10 behind.

Third hand: Absolutely fine imo with calling the raise on the flop however there is still one player to act so he must be really strong here to target your raise, c/c turn is okay but im probably folding the river, i agree theres quite a few missed draws and its likely he has one as he just called pre.

Fourth hand: I think this was played well except for the river, my guess is BB will probably c/r the turn so checking behind is good, I think he was a little tricky/passive in this hand as well, I'm in two minds about the river raise because of the way it was played, he might show up with PP's here a lot so i think in the long term a raise is fine but i'd like to say fold to the shove but if i was at the table i would probably call.

Fifth hand: I think this was played perfectly and you lost the minimum imo as he only min raised the river, bets were good and river call is fine, he won't have a 6 a lot and might min raise with KQ/KJ hoping it's good.

Sixth hand: Again I think this is fine, the only problem with this hand is hes betting really small which is either a really big hand or just trying to get to showdown cheaply, another problem for us is that hes limping 67% of hands and raising 0% so his range isn't the same as another limpers range (e.g. PP's/SC's) so it's hard to put him on a limped K/88/77 etc. I think this hand is all about his post flop play, how often he's showing a good hand at showdown, how aggressive he is one each street, this is super important because we can't get a good idea of his range pre.

Seventh hand: I hate getting the money in on the turn here just because we're putting in 30 into 36 to see one card and hes almost never folding worse, I think im going to check behind, if we get there hes always going to call or shove the river and if we dont and he shoves we can get away cheaply, of course in that spot we can get a little frustrated that he might have air.

Eighth hand: Don't like the c/r on the flop, imo that's a good flop to c-bet, if u do c-bet and get raised again it's an easier decision barring reads that hell raise draws etc. Another reason I don't like the c/r is because of how deep you both are, 155bb is just too much to start making plays imo. I don't think the turn is a good card to bet as you'll get called a lot, thers 2 fd's, AJ improves, KJ/QJ look better because the chances you c/r flop with an A is lower. Give up on turn I think.

As always it's just how I see this, I've never played 100nl so I might be way off here. Hope this offers a different point of view at least.

GL as always.
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10-30-2010 , 02:32 PM
I think your play is quite similiar to mine.... Theres a few major mistakes that u can easily work on which i also do...

- Your turning your hands into bluffs when you dont need to be.

- Maybe your a bit to suspicious of regs making moves, at nl100 its rare that a player would 3 barrel with air. Although i do understand your thinking.

- When playing Fish you are trying to justify calling because there fish. 99% of the time when fish minraise on turn or the river, they have it.

- Think about decisions more, In the K6s hand think about what hands are calling your raise and why you think its the best decision. This links in with turning hands into bluffs when you dont need to... If you actually think about it, theres no merit to raising because theres no worse hands calling your raise.

But i wish you gl and will follow contently. Btw what site do you play ?
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10-30-2010 , 02:42 PM
I have to say I quite like swires analysis, gives Dr._Hyde some general things to think about rather than individual mistakes in individual hands.
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10-30-2010 , 05:45 PM
To all of you guys that commented, really, really appreciate your feedback!

I think on the 7th JTd hand, I'm worried I won't get value on the river if I hit my draw so I bet on the turn, but I'm unlikely to get folds either on the turn though, if he has an ace or some two pair so I might as well try to get value from those hands on the river I suppose?

The 8th hand, I'm trying to get him to fold air on the flop and/or rep a set or perhaps AA or KK which I might play the same way on the flop. This is a really tight range though, so like you guys say, most of the time I have air or something spewy like 77 so it's probably not a good play in general.

I completely agree with DonkeyFishFight and Youfaiil on all the other hands though, not much I can say in defense of my poor play.

DonkeyFishFight, your Avatar is nuts, does the guy make it out of the way of the bus?

Swire, totally agree with your general analysis as well. Looking back through these hands as you guys analyzed them, I should have seen some/most of this stuff in real time, but I didn't and that's a big problem. I think the reasons I could have missed a lot of this is being tired, playing too long, lack of focus, too many tables, or tilt. In this particular session, I wasn't tired, but I may have been subtly tilting after a few hands went down where I got sucked out on (didn't post these hands). I didn't feel like I was tilting but I might have been. I only played for 3 hours, so I don't think I was getting mentally drained until the very end. That leaves the following probably problems:

Too many tables
possible lack of focus
possible subtle tilt

I'm gonna keep all that you guys said in mind on my next session and also ramp down to 8 tables max and see what happens. I need to be seeing these things in-game and finding folds and resisting the urge to bluff too much as well.

One more bad session and I'm gonna have to play NL50 solely soon so hopefully I can get a good session in to rebuild the roll to something more comfortable, I think I'm at about $3500 now.

Thanks again to everyone that commented, super helpful, hopefully have better results when I fire the tables up again!
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10-30-2010 , 10:14 PM
wow wow wow relative hand values dude

what were you thinking in the 24 hand?

also theres no need to continue aggression in many spots; I like the fact you are capable of it, but check the kq hand on the river when a blank hits, and take a free card after the nit calls your big raise with jtdd

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- Just call the turn. When he leads his range is typically polarized between a decent king or air (although some will lead a mid pocket pair here for some reason). Raising at any point against that range with KT doesn't accomplish anything. Also, by calling the flop and raising the turn small you're basically declaring that you have a king. If you had KQ or better I would find a raise at some point. With KT, call down. (Didn't look at results).
as played raising the turn is really bad, but we should be raising the flop not close (guy is a fish, we want value.) raising the turn is ******ed because the whole point of calling the flop is to allow someone to bluff and raising the turn is ******edly strong, you are almost turning your hand into a bluff (not vs the fish though obv) raise more preflop though, don't go 4x is my standard there are 2 limpers, make it 2.5-3

yeah at +xxx to stop turnign hands into bluffs in bad spots, k6 and 77 just call not close

Last edited by BitchiBee; 10-30-2010 at 10:20 PM.
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10-30-2010 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
wow wow wow relative hand values dude

what were you thinking in the 24 hand?

also theres no need to continue aggression in many spots; I like the fact you are capable of it, but check the kq hand on the river when a blank hits, and take a free card after the nit calls your big raise with jtdd



as played raising the turn is really bad, but we should be raising the flop not close (guy is a fish, we want value.) raising the turn is ******ed because the whole point of calling the flop is to allow someone to bluff and raising the turn is ******edly strong, you are almost turning your hand into a bluff (not vs the fish though obv) raise more preflop though, don't go 4x is my standard there are 2 limpers, make it 2.5-3

yeah at +xxx to stop turnign hands into bluffs in bad spots, k6 and 77 just call not close
Cool, thanks for the input, agree with you in these spots. Sometimes I get in a mode where I try to win every hand, bad habit, like the 77 hand, I was thinking, ok, I missed, maybe I can convince him I have the set. The 24 hand I just wasn't thinking, that's a major problem, I need to always be thinking, at the least, I for sure should have folded the river when he raised me. I think I was in autopilot mode here.

Thanks for the advice!
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10-30-2010 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
but we should be raising the flop not close (guy is a fish, we want value.)
I disagree. If we had KQ or better I'd be more comfortable raising the flop intending to put a lot of money in, but I think KT is sort of in the middle of our value range here, so I'd rather just call down with it. A typical donking range is also full of a lot of air that he's just going to fold, so raising accomplishes nothing. I'd much rather raise 88 here than KT, and AK rather than KT. Although I would raise neither of them. As far as hands to get value from, I think by raising with KT we're almost turning it into AA (obviously not entirely, but slightly) which sucks.

The board is super dry so the only hands to get value from are 8x and pocket pairs, or worse kings. Change the 8 to a 9 that brings a flush draw and I'm raising all day. As is I'd just call down. And once we raise the turn (which I wouldn't) I'd be pretty damn unhappy to get shoved on. Might be able to find a fold there actually.

Anyway, I don't hate a flop raise. I just think it's better to call down since he has air so often (then maybe raise the river if you have something close to the top of your range and think there's value).

Actually, I do hate a flop raise now that I think about it. And I don't know if the guy makes it from the bus, but I think so.
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10-30-2010 , 11:12 PM
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I disagree. If we had KQ or better I'd be more comfortable raising the flop intending to put a lot of money in, but I think KT is sort of in the middle of our value range here, so I'd rather just call down with it. A typical donking range is also full of a lot of air that he's just going to fold, so raising accomplishes nothing. I'd much rather raise 88 here than KT, and AK rather than KT. Although I would raise neither of them. As far as hands to get value from, I think by raising with KT we're almost turning it into AA (obviously not entirely, but slightly) which sucks.

The board is super dry so the only hands to get value from are 8x and pocket pairs, or worse kings. Change the 8 to a 9 that brings a flush draw and I'm raising all day. As is I'd just call down. And once we raise the turn (which I wouldn't) I'd be pretty damn unhappy to get shoved on. Might be able to find a fold there actually.

Anyway, I don't hate a flop raise. I just think it's better to call down since he has air so often (then maybe raise the river if you have something close to the top of your range and think there's value).

Actually, I do hate a flop raise now that I think about it. And I don't know if the guy makes it from the bus, but I think so.
Yeah, I guess I sort of had the feeling that since he was a donk I could get value from him even with KT, but agree, not a good raise. Probably just calling down to the river unless hit a T is the way to go.

I think it's really close, the bus that is, he had to have jumped for it if he was gonna make it.
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10-31-2010 , 04:34 AM
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I disagree. If we had KQ or better I'd be more comfortable raising the flop intending to put a lot of money in, but I think KT is sort of in the middle of our value range here, so I'd rather just call down with it. A typical donking range is also full of a lot of air that he's just going to fold, so raising accomplishes nothing. I'd much rather raise 88 here than KT, and AK rather than KT. Although I would raise neither of them. As far as hands to get value from, I think by raising with KT we're almost turning it into AA (obviously not entirely, but slightly) which sucks.

The board is super dry so the only hands to get value from are 8x and pocket pairs, or worse kings. Change the 8 to a 9 that brings a flush draw and I'm raising all day. As is I'd just call down. And once we raise the turn (which I wouldn't) I'd be pretty damn unhappy to get shoved on. Might be able to find a fold there actually.

Anyway, I don't hate a flop raise. I just think it's better to call down since he has air so often (then maybe raise the river if you have something close to the top of your range and think there's value).

Actually, I do hate a flop raise now that I think about it. And I don't know if the guy makes it from the bus, but I think so.
Well there are several factors to consider in the hand,
1. Its limped preflop so the guy has alot more kx than premiums like ak and kq.
2. Its limped preflop so has alot of 8x and pp
3. His bet sizing is small indicitive or a weak hand or air

Reasons to call the flop:
1. He can continue bluffing
2. He can catch up with a one pair hand
3. We can get more value by floating because he'll let an 8 go vs a flop raise

Reasons to raise the flop:
1. get more money in against pocket pairs
2. protect our hand against an underpair pair which won't put any money in if we call
3. to induce a 3bet bluff
4. to induce a light call from a good hand reader

Now obviously some of these reasons are pretty irrelevant, but imo the crux of this hand is his limping which increases the number of hands he'll put in action with that we beat and the fact that he's betting tiny: we are not getting very much value from his bluffs, so we pretty have to raise as we want to maximize our value vs his value range instead. although yeah maybe not so clear cut as I once thought
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10-31-2010 , 04:43 AM
Oh and op, I think one general thing you are missing from your game is coherence.

For example with the kt hand calling flop and raising turn isn't a coherent line.
With value hands either you want to maximize value vs value hands or vs bluffs.
When you make a bet know whether you are bluffing or value betting.

Really focus on making sure you have a plan for your action which makes sense throughout all streets. For example don't c/c a set on the flop then c/r a blank turn, either c/c, c/c, c/r or just c/r the flop. With the k6 hand when he raises the flop he's either bluffing or has AK+, since you beat all bluffs and have diamonds to protect you vs draw there is no point in jamming because you are only folding out worse while never getting called by worse.
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10-31-2010 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
Oh and op, I think one general thing you are missing from your game is coherence.

For example with the kt hand calling flop and raising turn isn't a coherent line.
With value hands either you want to maximize value vs value hands or vs bluffs.
When you make a bet know whether you are bluffing or value betting.

Really focus on making sure you have a plan for your action which makes sense throughout all streets. For example don't c/c a set on the flop then c/r a blank turn, either c/c, c/c, c/r or just c/r the flop. With the k6 hand when he raises the flop he's either bluffing or has AK+, since you beat all bluffs and have diamonds to protect you vs draw there is no point in jamming because you are only folding out worse while never getting called by worse.
Thanks, that makes sense. I think I was playing too many tables to be thinking about consistent lines like you're discussing. The past two sessions I have backed down to 7-9 tables and I think it was really helpful, if only I could run decent I'll be posting an update soon on these sessions, at least I'm playing better than I was before. Keeping ranges and line consistency in mind while I'm playing will certainly be helpful to my game.

Thanks again to everyone who is giving advice, I can already feel my game getting better
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10-31-2010 , 05:42 PM
Ok, so the good news is, I've been playing much better since all of you reviewed my previous hands, the bad news is that I'm not playing perfect and have been running REALLY badly. But that's ok, I've run worse than this before and I'm glad I'm at least playing well! Thanks to everyone who has given advice so far.

In the past two sessions, I've had two set under sets for full stacks along with running about 250 big blinds under EV. In the past 5 days I've run over 700 big blinds under EV. Again though, despite my runbad, I'm only 80 dollars negative for the past two session so that makes me feel really good about my play. Below are some hands, the first one is my worst bad beat, I know it's a bad beat, no need to comment, I just wanted to vent. The other hands I actually think I might have played badly or at least not optimally. Feel free to comment!

Hand 1 - Vs bad player, just a bad beat, he had 10% chance on turn to win


Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP2: $104.15
CO: $99.85
BTN: $178.35
SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $202.80
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $60.00
MP1: $117.80

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 2 2
2 folds, MP1 raises to $3.25, 2 folds, BTN raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 1 fold

Flop: ($21.75) 4 2 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.00, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $18

Turn: ($81.75) K (2 players)
Hero bets $49.00, BTN raises to $139.35, Hero calls $90.35

River: ($360.45) 3 (2 players)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $360.45
BTN shows Ad Kc
Hero shows 2s 2d
BTN wins $357.45
(Rake: $3.00)


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Hand 2 - Vs another bad player, 56/10/5, should I have just gotten it in on the turn?

Poker Stars $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP2: $104.15
CO: $99.85
BTN: $178.35
SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $202.80
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $60.00
MP1: $117.80

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 2 2
2 folds, MP1 raises to $3.25, 2 folds, BTN raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 1 fold

Flop: ($21.75) 4 2 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12.00, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $18

Turn: ($81.75) K (2 players)
Hero bets $49.00, BTN raises to $139.35, Hero calls $90.35

River: ($360.45) 3 (2 players)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $360.45
BTN shows Ad Kc
Hero shows 2s 2d
BTN wins $357.45
(Rake: $3.00)


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Hand 3 - Villain was 43/28, - Not sure what I could have done differently here, maybe bet even more on the turn?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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MP2: $104.15
CO: $99.85
BTN: $178.35
SB: $100.00
Hero (BB): $202.80
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $60.00
MP1: $117.80

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 2 2
2 folds, MP1 raises to $3.25, 2 folds, BTN raises to $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, 1 fold

Flop: ($21.75) 4 2 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12, Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $18

Turn: ($81.75) K (2 players)
Hero bets $49, BTN raises to $139.35 all in, Hero calls $90.35

River: ($360.45) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $360.45
BTN shows Ad Kc (a straight, Ace to Five)
Hero shows 2s 2d (three of a kind, Deuces)
BTN wins $357.45
(Rake: $3.00)


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Hand 4 - Villain was 67/27/1.6 - I felt like he missed his draw on the river and I could take him off of it with about a half pot bet, I guess though, that my AQ could be good here with a missed draw too, not sure about this one... Too much bluffing again?

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em $0.10 Ante - 9 players
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Hero (CO): $135.50
BTN: $125.30
SB: $95.75
BB: $100.00
UTG: $11.55
UTG+1: $107.50
UTG+2: $95.85
MP1: $57.35
MP2: $141.75

Pre Flop: ($1.65) Hero is CO with A Q
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50, UTG calls $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50

Flop: ($9.15) 8 J 9 (4 players)
BB bets $4.50, UTG folds, MP2 calls $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($22.65) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $15, BB calls $15, MP2 folds

River: ($52.65) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $29, BB calls $29

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $110.65
Hero shows Ac Qs (high card Ace)
BB shows 7h 5h (a straight, Five to Nine)
BB wins $107.65
(Rake: $3.00)


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Hand 5 - Villain was a 17/14/3.5 with a 7.5 3bet % in FR game - I felt like this was a light 3bet (my steal % in general is about 55-65 and about 100% on btn) which is why I called pre-flop in position, sometimes I light 4bet instead. I should have fired the flop and turn at least, as played, I should have bluffed the A too I think and I would have gotten a fold...


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $100.00
MP2: $100.00
CO: $65.60
Hero (BTN): $109.15
SB: $127.75
BB: $100.00
UTG: $106.20
UTG+1: $100.00
UTG+2: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 6 5
6 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB raises to $9.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $24, SB calls $14.50

Flop: ($49.00) T J J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($49.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $32, SB calls $32

River: ($113.00) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $113.00
Hero mucks 6c 5h
SB shows 8h 8s (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
SB wins $110.00
(Rake: $3.00)


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Hand 6 - Villain was 65/5/.5 - I'm thinking check turn back or bet less on river, I really felt like he was on an A and I could get value from that because he's so bad, in reality I just value owned myself on river...


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
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BB: $86.75
Hero (BTN): $110.95
SB: $158.10

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 2 5
Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 3 4 A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

River: ($30.50) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $29, BB calls $29

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $88.50
BB shows 5s 3s (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows 2s 5d (a straight, Ace to Five)
BB wins $87.50
(Rake: $1.00)


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Hand 7 - Villain was 47/0/5 - was thinking he was bluffing river with busted clubs, in reality a bluff is the only thing I beat here...


Poker Stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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BTN: $188.70
SB: $74.00
BB: $106.00
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $96.90
Hero (MP): $89.60
CO: $192.85

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $3

Flop: ($9.50) 8 J J (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $6, UTG+1 calls $6

Turn: ($21.50) A (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($21.50) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $31, Hero calls $31

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $83.50
UTG+1 shows 6s Js (three of a kind, Jacks)
Hero mucks Kc Ks
UTG+1 wins $81.50
(Rake: $2.00)
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10-31-2010 , 05:53 PM
Ok i have subscribed as well. Looks like your thread is going to be a bit similar to mine too so i will have to keep track of how your doing.
You mention about coaching do you mind me asking what you were coached at?6max, FR? Who did you get to coach you and do you feel it benefitted you? Im just on my second coach now and i have to say its the best thing i ever did hiring a couple of really good coaches.
How do you manage to play so loose in FR? Is that your 6max experience that helps with that? I always end up dropping back to my 15/12 style, i just cant imagine opening out to the 20`s for any long period.
Anyway gl at the tables and with your goals and maybe i will see you at the tables next year when i may make the move to Stars.
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10-31-2010 , 06:07 PM
1st three hands are the same fwiw.
22 lead the flop unless you have a read he cbets ak here and will call a c/r. I'd rather get floated by ace high and be able to b3b an overpair.

AQ hand I'd fold the flop, you are drawing to 4 outs at best and are unlikely to have implied odds. If I wanted to bluff the river I'd jam because he has 2 pair alot. And yeah preflop stop giving them odds to call.

65o unnessasary, sure gameflow considerations but you are 9 tablings so meh. generally you want to set up your frequencies so you have the most amount of equity vs a calling range. In 4bets card removal is also very important. 65o has none of those things. I like the aggressive attitude though.

52o fold preflop, its unnessasary. As played guy is an LP fish, set up your bet sizing to stack an ace not get light calls from gutters. 5.5 on the flop 16 on the turn and jam the river.

KK. If its a blank 6 I probablly call, while overbet is rarely a bluff, I don't fault you for calling though it is close. This hand is important, make sure to note it so your future hands are easier to play.
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11-01-2010 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Ok i have subscribed as well. Looks like your thread is going to be a bit similar to mine too so i will have to keep track of how your doing.
You mention about coaching do you mind me asking what you were coached at?6max, FR? Who did you get to coach you and do you feel it benefitted you? Im just on my second coach now and i have to say its the best thing i ever did hiring a couple of really good coaches.
How do you manage to play so loose in FR? Is that your 6max experience that helps with that? I always end up dropping back to my 15/12 style, i just cant imagine opening out to the 20`s for any long period.
Anyway gl at the tables and with your goals and maybe i will see you at the tables next year when i may make the move to Stars.
Yeah, I'm following your thread too, will chime in if I think I have anything helpful to say

Regarding coaching, I've mostly been coached at FR, my first coach, who was somewhat helpful, but not totally, and therefore I won't mention his name, repeatedly suggested I play more FR because it was easier. I think he was right about that part at least, even if a lot of his other coaching was questionable.

My second coach has been Splitsuit and some leakfinding with Mpethybridge as well. These guys have been super helpful to my game to say the least, I think Splitsuit ONLY coaches FR last I checked but that could have changed. I highly recommend a leakfinder session with these guys, especially if you play FR.

All that being said, I haven't had any 6max specific or HU coaching, I could probably use some HU coaching for sure. My 6max game isn't as good as my FR game but I think it's getting better and even then, I think I'm still a winner at the 6max for the stakes I play.

I play so loose in FR because I'm a crazy thief, seriously, I'm not joking when I say I steal 55% - 65% on average, that's roughly 36% from the cutoff, 100% from btn, and about 65-75% from small blind when limped or folded to me in those positions. I'm pretty profitable employing this strat in general, I alter it somewhat depending on the blind and btn tendencies and my image. So my ranges are super wide from late position and that's why my overall VPIP is so high.

I wouldn't suggest this technique to everyone, I might even be overdoing it, but it's something I just sorta fell into and it has seemed to work. I'd love to hear comments about this part of my game if anyone has any opinion's.

Definitely will see you over at Stars if you move, I will be playing more FT going forward as well so maybe I'll see you on there too, is your screen name the same as your 2+2 name?
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11-01-2010 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
1st three hands are the same fwiw.
Damn, that was some major user error on my part, meant to put other hands in

Quote:
Originally Posted by BitchiBee
AQ hand I'd fold the flop, you are drawing to 4 outs at best and are unlikely to have implied odds. If I wanted to bluff the river I'd jam because he has 2 pair alot. And yeah preflop stop giving them odds to call.
I bet 4 bb here pre-flop with position (NL50), should be enough right? Even if they call, I'm in position with a superior range with huge SPR.

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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
65o unnessasary, sure gameflow considerations but you are 9 tablings so meh. generally you want to set up your frequencies so you have the most amount of equity vs a calling range. In 4bets card removal is also very important. 65o has none of those things. I like the aggressive attitude though.
I agree, this was a questionable call pre-flop, I probably should have waited until I had at least a suited hand. If I had fired the river, I think he was folding, I kinda froze up in this hand, not sure why.

When you say the most amount of equity vs a calling range, I'm not sure what you mean by that statement?

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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
52o fold preflop, its unnessasary. As played guy is an LP fish, set up your bet sizing to stack an ace not get light calls from gutters. 5.5 on the flop 16 on the turn and jam the river.
I steal pretty much ATC on the button, flopped gin here, but this is unusual hand, usually I take it down on the flop with a cbet or the turn it's over when I give up with a hand like this and on this sort of flop. So you suggest a bigger bet on flop, I like that suggestion, especially against a fish, I usually cloak my cbets to prevent betting more or less with the goods, but that's against regs, no reason not to maximize value against a fish like this.

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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
KK. If its a blank 6 I probablly call, while overbet is rarely a bluff, I don't fault you for calling though it is close. This hand is important, make sure to note it so your future hands are easier to play.
What about this hand is so important, that he overbet with the goods? I see what you're suggesting about the 6 being better than the 7, 9T won't get there with the 6o.

Thanks as always for the feedback!
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11-01-2010 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr._Hyde
Yeah, I'm following your thread too, will chime in if I think I have anything helpful to say

Regarding coaching, I've mostly been coached at FR, my first coach, who was somewhat helpful, but not totally, and therefore I won't mention his name, repeatedly suggested I play more FR because it was easier. I think he was right about that part at least, even if a lot of his other coaching was questionable.

My second coach has been Splitsuit and some leakfinding with Mpethybridge as well. These guys have been super helpful to my game to say the least, I think Splitsuit ONLY coaches FR last I checked but that could have changed. I highly recommend a leakfinder session with these guys, especially if you play FR.

All that being said, I haven't had any 6max specific or HU coaching, I could probably use some HU coaching for sure. My 6max game isn't as good as my FR game but I think it's getting better and even then, I think I'm still a winner at the 6max for the stakes I play.

I play so loose in FR because I'm a crazy thief, seriously, I'm not joking when I say I steal 55% - 65% on average, that's roughly 36% from the cutoff, 100% from btn, and about 65-75% from small blind when limped or folded to me in those positions. I'm pretty profitable employing this strat in general, I alter it somewhat depending on the blind and btn tendencies and my image. So my ranges are super wide from late position and that's why my overall VPIP is so high.

I wouldn't suggest this technique to everyone, I might even be overdoing it, but it's something I just sorta fell into and it has seemed to work. I'd love to hear comments about this part of my game if anyone has any opinion's.

Definitely will see you over at Stars if you move, I will be playing more FT going forward as well so maybe I'll see you on there too, is your screen name the same as your 2+2 name?
Ah ah Splitsuits videos are the reason i became a decent winner at 25nl. Total quality and really easy to watch especially for me who dosnt learn that well from videos. Looks like you made a very good choice. At the moment im been coached by Fooz from Cardrunners and even though ive only had 2 sesssions they have both been very helpful. Its easily the best thing that i have done since playing poker, for me the 1 to 1 situation is just far superior to watching videos where i just drift away in to my own world.
Nice work on the stealing, just out of interest do you adjust your bet sizes in the steal positions or are you pretty consistant. I end up changing mine around a bit depending how much the people in the blinds re-steal as i seem to get played back at quite a lot because my steal % is a touch high as well.
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11-01-2010 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Ah ah Splitsuits videos are the reason i became a decent winner at 25nl. Total quality and really easy to watch especially for me who dosnt learn that well from videos. Looks like you made a very good choice. At the moment im been coached by Fooz from Cardrunners and even though ive only had 2 sesssions they have both been very helpful. Its easily the best thing that i have done since playing poker, for me the 1 to 1 situation is just far superior to watching videos where i just drift away in to my own world.
Nice work on the stealing, just out of interest do you adjust your bet sizes in the steal positions or are you pretty consistant. I end up changing mine around a bit depending how much the people in the blinds re-steal as i seem to get played back at quite a lot because my steal % is a touch high as well.
Yeah Split and Mpethybridge are a great combo, I made about 5k in the 2.5 months after my last leakfinder session with them.

I played around with bet sizing at one point but I stay pretty standard now, I get played back at a LOT more if I start using 2 bb steals in the sb for instance so I just stick with 3+1 per limper right now.
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11-01-2010 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr._Hyde
I bet 4 bb here pre-flop with position (NL50), should be enough right? Even if they call, I'm in position with a superior range with huge SPR.

there are two limpers, you can get more value preflop and isolate vs a single hand (which is what you want as you can have more control of the hand) by making it 6bb preflop

When you say the most amount of equity vs a calling range, I'm not sure what you mean by that statement?

you never want to get called when you are bluffing; since you can only bluffa certain amount of the time you want to be bluffing with hands so that if you get called you atleast have equity. ie. you want to be c/r bluffing paired board some of the time, make sure that when you c/r you c/r backdoor flush, instead of just random air.

I steal pretty much ATC on the button, flopped gin here, but this is unusual hand, usually I take it down on the flop with a cbet or the turn it's over when I give up with a hand like this and on this sort of flop. So you suggest a bigger bet on flop, I like that suggestion, especially against a fish, I usually cloak my cbets to prevent betting more or less with the goods, but that's against regs, no reason not to maximize value against a fish like this.

well you shouldn't steal atc, even fish notice when you do that, 25o if profitable is so marginal its better to have in your folding range than calling

What about this hand is so important, that he overbet with the goods? I see what you're suggesting about the 6 being better than the 7, 9T won't get there with the 6o.

He flatted preflop with j6o, c/c a drawy jjx board then overbet a blank on the river. This shows hes loose preflop, slowplays!/bad hand reader (he could be really sick because that overbet on the river is really good, but I doubt it due to his play on previous streets) his ranges are going to be very unbalanced; if he c/r, you can stack off much lighter, with his bet sizing if he pots you can bluff catch much lighter, and stop calling his overbets because fish are very consistant with that

Thanks as always for the feedback!
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