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Originally Posted by Donkwithout$
I read couple of last pages of this thread i know why all or many of you are micro limit players, guys your are insane , dont try to be perfect and stuff GTO talk for now, you are far from it, and dont need it, simples. Simples rules for crushing, you ingore them all, and trying to find solutions.
Just because you talk like a ship builder does not mean you are one. Remember that guys. It hurts my soul and poker brain looking at this , and reading it, so i know why i stayed of it most of my life, and bad english of course, tho for my country im one of the better in it.
First off, appreciate what you were trying to do for that guy in the other thread (if I'm remembering the name correctly). Haven't looked at that thread since then, so not sure what, if anything, became of that.
First off, not sure what those "simple rules" are; feel free to share.
However, I do enjoy working on the theoretical aspects of the game from time to time. So even if "GTO" is not needed, it's still fun to try and learn. And it does help in getting a better idea of how we can deviate from that to exploit players. Maybe it's obvious to you what those "simple rules" are, but for me, it's not. And working on the theoretical side helps me to figure stuff out.
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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Ok, I thought a little bit more about your idea. You didn´t put any specifics, but I´m assuming you´ll be using a very polarized range postflop right? And check calling or folding the remaining ones? While playing tighter pf. So I guess there is a way to play that strategy while being unexploitable, but I can´t see how the regs will do any mistakes vs you when your ranges are going to be so much tighter and face up. Even considering you will add the right amount of bluffs. FR is easier than 6-max and has lower variance for a reason, and it´s not only because the level of play is worse.
But it might work for a while until ppl get more reads on you, which might take a while. I hope you don´t overplay your big pairs and tptk hands tho, as the range they will be calling or especially 3betting your big ep raises pf and big cbets won´t be dominated Ax or Kx as you might think They will still have hands that play very well vs you, like a few suited connectors for example.
I´m talking about regs btw, not fish.
Yes, it will be very polarized postflop. And you are correct; tighter preflop ranges, and just check-calling or folding the rest. Even regs can make mistakes against this strategy. Calling too many hands preflop for example, or the wrong types of hands. With the 5bb open-sizing, it's not quite big enough for them to fold everything. I think a lot of them will treat it similar to a 3bb raise, but maybe eliminate the weakest of hands from their defending range.
Postflop, they can make mistakes by calling with hands that are worse than my bluffs (such as dominated draws, for instance), or worse "air" hands as another example (like if I'm bluffing with A-high with AK, and they call a bet with A-high with AQ). Fish are the most likely to make these kinds of mistakes, but regs can do so as well (with lesser frequency though).
And not to worry, I'm not overplaying those types of hands you mentioned. My raising/cbetting ranges/frequencies are based purely on math. So if I'm betting with a hand, it's because it's profitable against the range of hands they have to call with. And if they only continue with a tighter range than they should, the lost EV will be made up for with my bluffs.
And I hope they call preflop with suited connectors lol, because they will be more likely than not to get into trouble. First off, they won't have the odds to call preflop (this is based on my EP range; their odds might get better as we get closer to the BB, but still might not be good enough). Second, when they do hit, they're gonna have second-best draws a lot of the time when most of the money goes in.
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Originally Posted by MMSS
Because people establish themselves at the next stake up and feel they are that calibre of player. If you are constantly moving up/down you never have this issue to begin with.
Grinding a month at 5nl to move up to 10nl then running bad and having to move down sucks, this way you are never established at a stake just trying to move up as quickly as possible.
There are definitely flaws in it and I'm not sure really on how it establishes itself but does playing higher than you are a winner really become more of an issue than grinding a stake forever when you're a small winner? You're much more likely to try harder to learn when you're playing higher. The main issue I have is it isn't a beginner friendly way of playing and I'm not trying to encourage people to play higher than they should.
FWIW I think OPs interpretation of what I posted is pretty bad and kind of misses the point of what I'm talking about.
I agree, I probably misinterpreted your intentions. However, my idea was just trying to expand upon that based on what I thought your intentions were. I thought you were just trying to find the quickest way to be able to establish yourself BR-wise at a certain stakes, to get past the micros ASAP. And I'm not certain my idea would be quicker, but seems like it might be.
The only thing I'm unsure about is the setback once you lose your shot and you have to move back to nl2.
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Originally Posted by enzet
this is very ******ed. based on your handful of topics, nl2 or nl5 is the highest limit you can beat consistently, so gambling with no bankroll in order to shot nl50 is pointless for you. it can be fun, but learning a winning strategy and making it work is way more fun.
I appreciate your thoughts. I am working on a simpler strategy right now which should help with those stakes. I don't think I'll need much more than that to beat up to (and including) nl50. Even in my short stint at nl25 so far, I felt like I could already be beating that level. Going forward (after settling in at nl50) to nl100, nl200, and beyond is where I think I'll need to work on my game a lot more. I could be wrong, and if I am, at least I'll have a better idea of where I stand at nl50 after having spent some time playing there.