Are you just pulling numbers out of the air? There are 45 possible cards that can be dealt for the turn. There are 3 more aces left in the deck. That's a 1 in 15 chance of an ace being dealt on the turn. Which is around 7%. I have no idea how you came up with 33%. So just calling the flop bet for the villain, villain would need 14:1. And that's not even considering the chips he put in preflop. And again, I'm not defending my river call. It may be correct at some frequency, or it may not. I'm defending the hand as a whole still being profitable.

I really don't know what to say. Just so much negativity here and misinformed "facts" being defended by baseless assumptions. I'm starting to become more negative just by letting myself get mixed up in this. I know not all of you are like that. But I'm just tired of all this negativity. I'm out for now.

Maybe I'll return again at some point. I'm just gonna take a break from this madhouse and spend my time in a more useful manner. Thanks to those who were actually trying to be helpful in a positive way.

I mean preflop odds of A3s v KK is like 30/70% roughly speaking...

Honestly sorry if I have caused any negativity, I don't even think your river call is that bad depending on the player, it's more the attitude of never folding that might get you into trouble. Was just trying to overstate that it's completely okay to fold when it's likely this spot is heavily underbluffed.

And just to say i feel like everyone agrees with you about everything apart from the river spot...

But yeah, maybe could have worded things more passively, honestly just passionate about trying to help, many apologies x

Ok, I'm back lol. 291, you weren't the worst culprit, but you were the final nail in the coffin so to speak lol. I'm gonna try not to get caught up in any further negativity should any arise, and try to better separate the advice from the tone in which it was delivered.

After working around the clock for the past few days, I've finally completed the revamped strategy. Well, version one anyway. I have a complete gameplan now from preflop to river. I'm glad I got it all done at once now, cause it would have taken forever just doing a little bit each day. This should be good enough now until I get out of the micros, so I'm gonna focus on just playing and putting in lots of volume for the foreseeable future.

And FazendeiroBH, it is a somewhat simplified strategy. I think the tradeoff between EV loss and simplicity is favorable. It's a "pseudo-GTO-lite" strategy, and I think I can crush the micros, even if I'm simplifying things. I can see how the potential is there for my opponents to make huge mistakes against my strategy. And that's before I add in exploitive adjustments.

At any rate, I'll let my playing do the talking now, and my results will show whether I'm progressing, or regressing.

Good to see you didn´t leave the forum

Will you keep playing 16nl, or are you planning to move down?

Just a quick comment about the negativity issue you brought: I agree that it exists and is very strong here at 2p2, since I began reading this forum 10 years ago at least. But sometimes what seems like negativity is just people not agreeing with you (and showing their disagreement). Some are nice, some are blunt.

Good luck, and keep updating pls!

Thanks, dropped down to nl2 for the time being. My main focus right now will be on volume. Will be 4-tabling, and just trying to get hands in. Had some life stuff past few days where I didn't get as much playing time as I'd have liked. Also, will probably be doing some job-hunting, so that might affect my playing time also. But I'll post graphs once I'm able to get a decent amount of hands in.

Impossible to beat nl2 anymore.

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.86 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
SB: $1.91 (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 13)
Hero (BB): $6.29
UTG: $1.05 (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
MP: $3.36 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
CO: $5.90

SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to $0.05, CO raises to $2.56, fold, fold, Hero raises to $6.29 and is all-in, fold, CO calls $3.34 and is all-in

Flop: ($11.86, 2 players) K 2 T

Turn: ($11.86, 2 players) 4

River: ($11.86, 2 players) K

Nice , if you find this villain again, tell him on chat to move up to 5nl where people will respect his raises. I´m in desperate need for something like this right now lol

GL with the 2nl grind!

Don't bother with NL2 or NL5, it's better to earn some cash and start higher to avoid wasting time.

Pay for a credible coaching course like Upswing and have them carry out a lot of the hard work for you.

Good luck with everything.

Thanks reihana. The issue is that I can't afford to deposit enough of an amount for nl10 right now, or pay for any other coaching/subscriptions/etc. So for now, will continue with nl2, and taking shots higher when I feel like it. I did play nl5 again a few days ago, but sessions didn't go well. So grinding back up again at nl2.

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Faz, this one is for you again hahaha:

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $2.24 (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 17)
SB: $5.07 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
BB: $10.04 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (UTG): $3.86
MP: $1.89 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
CO: $5.05 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to $0.05, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.11, 2 players) 7 K Q
BB bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, BB raises to $0.42, Hero calls $0.24

Turn: ($0.95, 2 players) 4
BB bets $9.57 and is all-in, Hero calls $3.39 and is all-in

River: ($7.73, 2 players) 2

lol, and ppl still say poker is dead

It's the weekend, so I'm going to go fishing at nl10z lol. Thought I'd post the graph for the last little while at nl2 (since working on my game). Volume still not great; that's the one area I still need to really work on. If anything, I want to be known for a strong work ethic, so I'm looking to improve upon that.

Zoom will help with your volume, also feel like it accelerates the learning process because you recognise more spots more frequently.

Congrats on the heater, let us know how zoom goes =)

I'm a bit confused in the title of this thread hahaha. Guess I haven't been consistent in my use of 'z' lol.

Anyway, happy birthday to me! (Actually, it's not even close to my actual birthday)

Putting in some solid hours today; will post a graph later tonight.

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.97 (VPIP: 26.39, PFR: 22.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 72)
SB: $2.13
BB: $2.32 (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
Hero (UTG): $5.45
MP: $3.20 (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 10.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
CO: $2.87 (VPIP: 20.17, PFR: 16.81, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 123)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A A

Hero raises to $0.08, MP calls $0.08, CO raises to $0.35, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.81, fold, CO raises to $2.87 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.06

Flop: ($5.85, 2 players) 7 K 8

Turn: ($5.85, 2 players) 8

River: ($5.85, 2 players) 9



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PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.74 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (SB): $2.82
BB: $10.56 (VPIP: 16.33, PFR: 8.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
UTG: $2.12 (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 87)
MP: $4.13 (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 20.37, 3Bet Preflop: 13.04, Hands: 56)
CO: $3.33 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.08, fold, Hero raises to $0.24, fold, CO calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.50, 2 players) 7 8 A
Hero bets $0.16, CO calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.82, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $1.19, CO calls $1.19

River: ($3.20, 2 players) 3
Hero bets $1.23 and is all-in, CO calls $1.23

What's your thoughts on sticking at nl2z for a while longer to build distance? It seems you're finally beating it solidly, but the sample is small and I think it would make sense for you to play over 100k hands there for a more considerable sample

What volume do you manage to play per day?

I remember I was hitting around 150k hands a month average when I grinded 6max zoom cash on Pokerstars w/ hotkeys.

Not sure how much time I'll spend at nl2z; I'd like to do things the right way, but I also know my job situation is still uncertain. So that could mean needing to withdraw. Actually, if I don't find another job, I will likely need to withdraw. How much depends on what happens at work. I am currently undecided whether or not to keep looking for another job, or to see if things improve at the current one. I'd hate to withdraw while playing nl2z, so I may try and move up again sometime soon.


But I think I'll most likely hit 100k hands playing nl2z, and I don't think it'll take too much longer to do so. Daily volume varies depending on if I'm working that day or not. And whether I spend time off the table studying (which I'm trying to cut back on now). Volume has been a sore spot so far, but I put in 8 hours today (8k hands). Still not as much as I would have preferred, but I need to work my way back into the massive volume grind lol. I wanna try and hit 50k hands a week for the next bit and see how that goes.

I was trying to upload my graphs, but tinypic doesn't seem to be working for me right now. So will try uploading them tomorrow. Instead, here's a couple hands:

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Is this too nitty?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $9.90
SB: $1.65 (VPIP: 22.78, PFR: 15.19, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 80)
BB: $2.99 (VPIP: 14.58, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 49)
UTG: $3.17 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: $2.84 (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 35.29, 3Bet Preflop: 21.43, Hands: 35)
CO: $2.22 (VPIP: 23.91, PFR: 10.87, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has T K

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24, 4 players) J K Q
SB checks, BB bets $0.16, CO raises to $0.32, fold, fold, BB calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.88, 2 players) T
BB checks, CO bets $0.43, fold,

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What is with everyone stacking off preflop with AQo against my AA?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $1.59 (VPIP: 25.81, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
SB: $2.63 (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 26)
BB: $3.06 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
UTG: $3.81 (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 19.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 120)
MP: $1.83 (VPIP: 23.40, PFR: 19.15, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 48)
Hero (CO): $2.12

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, fold, BB raises to $0.34, Hero raises to $2.12 and is all-in, fold, BB calls $1.78

Flop: ($4.33, 2 players) 2 9 9

Turn: ($4.33, 2 players) J

River: ($4.33, 2 players) 4

what is your job and why thinking about a change?

About the KTs hand, I don’t think calling pre is a good idea. Maybe it’s my nitring tendency, but you have a very easily dominated hand here. So, 3bet or fold. Postflop is fine, not too nitty imo

Tinypic is working again, so here is the graph of the last little while at nl2z (since working more on my strategy), and then one of nl2z from the start of this thread. Had a rough session EV-wise to end the night yesterday, but otherwise haven't had much go wrong in that last little stretch.





enzet, I work in fast food, nothing glamorous lol. There's been a new manager recently, and we didn't exactly get along well before she was promoted. Now she's been cutting my hours for bs reasons (probably just cause she doesn't like me). I've talked to the owner, and hopefully it improves. If not, I'll have to look for another job.

Fazendeiro, might be too loose preflop, but not sure. I also dominate many of his Tx hands, and I think I have pretty decent equity against a good portion of his range. My guess is it's probably close either way.

KTs flat is fine don't overthink it. 3b also fine

Have you considered playing a softer format

Your results seem pretty nice for 2nlz imo. Obv still not a big sample, but not small either. Normal tables definitely softer, especially if you bumhunt a little bit (yes, even 2nl), so if you want to earn more actual $ with less variance, think about a change.

Thanks Nefirmative.

Valuecutting, short answer, yeah, would consider it. Long answer, softer format could mean a number of different things. Reg tables, tournies/spins, different sites, different poker variants (not holdem), etc. What are you trying to suggest by "softer format"? Cause honestly, I'm not that knowledgeable about how soft each format is. I'd guess MTTs/spins would be softer. Working 5 days though, so MTTs would be tough to do. Like Fazendeiro suggested, many people think normal tables are softer. Not sure if that's actually the case or not. If you're meaning sites other than stars or other poker variants, don't really know much about those either lol.

Fazendeiro, not sure if they are or not. Switching to those is a possibility though. Actually, before, I used to play only reg tables. I remember back in the day when I was 20-24 tabling full ring tables lol. But then (after doing 6max for awhile), it just seemed like tables were breaking all the time. Fish loses his stack and leaves, everyone else leaves too. The good tables all had long waiting lists, and as soon as you got on, it was just regs left. So yeah, if there is a lot more money-earning potential there, then it's an idea to switch back. But if it's really not that much better, then would prefer the convenience and ease of putting volume in with zoom.

Yes, tables break all the time, and we need to be constantly changing tables and joining waitlists. It happens a lot in 6-max, that´s why I still play fullring: less tables running, so less incentive to ppl instaquitting. Also, one interesting thing is that fish still seems to hate waiting, so as soon as a table gets 7 or 8 handed, there is a high probability of one of them joining, esp at the fun times.

The higher ev of normal tables should come mostly from the bumhunting skills (and the remainder from worse level of play in general), at least now while we´re all trying to improve and move up and earn $, so if table hopping is a big annoyance, then agreed, better to stick to zoom and just put the volume and improve quickly without distractions.

Normal tables are miles softer at the lowest limits because people are actually loose and aren't happy to fold on their one table for 40 minutes. Zoom forces people to play more correctly (i.e. fold more) and they aren't (as) easy to make money from.

It's a pretty silly way to do it though really, you'd be miles better off just doing what I said and taking aggro shots.

Maybe, but for now I'm ok just getting some volume in at nl2z. It'll help with my discipline, and I can always aggressively take shots later.