why are you quitting ipoker ? you didn't really specify any reason.
Where are you playing next?

Sorry if you already explained this before, but what deal do you have with Gordon?, does he stake you or is it for profits coaching?.

vstate the guy is a crusher and solid, i literally don't think there are more than 2 percent of people that win at speed in euros below 50nl before rb, its all regs trading money around and hugeeeeeee rake, even with good rb. his graph above shows it all, and he wasn't on a heater he was 60 bi under ev at one point.

Obviously, Your Discipline and proper Bankroll management is Top Shelf!! Love the Story/Thread, keep it up bro.

I scanned thru every page ITT and noticed than he was nearly always well above EV (for what that's truly worth, idk) and the last few posts have been on the wrong side of that. Heater=over--it sure seems.
I can't comment on Speed NL50's field as I have no idea, though. Just seems like another PG&C thread where the OP starts off on a heater, hits the looming downswing, and instaquits with excuses/new goals all while hailing the coach that created the crusher.
Maybe I'm way off.
Either way, going about anything in life with as much enthusiasm and proper planning as OP has is definitely worth some respect off the felt, from me at least.

Hans can comment more why we moved form Ipoker.

Here is the thing:

We are here to make money and not win a beauty price. As a coach i am not good at teaching "sick lines". Sick lines are for sick people (who don't make money at this game).
In other words, when reality does not produce the results that you envisioned in theory, you HAVE TO CHANGE !!!!!!!.


Ok, so the reality is simple:

- Although we run ****tier than life, we're still up thx to RB etc. Huge props for Hans grinding ability
- The ev winrate dropped and is not very good either anymore
- For whatever reason this all happened after the change was made from USD to Euro. No idea if its coincidence or if it is simply the higher rake that is raping us (im not sure)
- His confidence dropped a bit and he made a few terrible plays that he didnt make before
- We have a big enough samples to say that we HAVE TO CHANGE

Poker(life) is not a game of wishes.

where are you "two" moving now?

update ?

so you are moving to stars zoom? I agree with the usd to euro conversion- more rake and zero terrible fish that donate make it a really tough game even with good rb. The regs have a clue and are agro or whatnot so lots of variance whereas 25nl zoom seems like one of the softest around but with crappy rb, have to decide whats best for you.

hmm.. I have often read that people thought rush is harder to beat than zoom, but from what i have seen rush seems very very soft to me, probably softer than zoom. regs up to 25 nl are mostly just tag-fish, and those that do have a clue about what they do can easily be avoided by playing tight against them.
however, pokerstars' vip program is better once you move up to small or midstakes...
your decision

Challenge Days: 66&67&68&69

@iPoker issues
Basically I have serious problems with my iPoker skin since the software was updated. I think 2 Sundays ago at peak time they had some tech problems and I couldn't log in for a whole while. Basically almost each day I had some sort of tech issue with them(getting kicked out of tables, auto rebuy not working, some random disconnection) so that it was just frustrating(I guess even more when you are anyway losing money at the tables and now the client is also taking his share of your losses). And a lot of people contacted me that they have the same issues as well here on 2+2 people were also posting so I thought it's a more common issue.

@The Move
I guess Gordon pointed out the facts and thoughts in the most simplistic way(as always). I will just explain it more detailed. Basically we compared 2 months, January and December and the same stakes(NL20 and NL50). Playing style is still the same NL50 were more tables but NL20 was almost exactly the same. The only difference was that the tables switch from $ to €. I have on both pic below for each month somewhat reliable sample(both +125k hands) and they are totally opposite(FWTW about the heater you can see on both pictures posted in my last post for each month how I run in terms of EV( December 20BI below, January +40BI below on NL50)). So I don't wanna use here ever variance as an excuse for not making it but with Gordon's points stated above our move is simply logical. We are here to make money and so if the results don't correlate with the desired one over a reasonable sample I have to change something. It's actually quite simple.
Also my confidence was kinda crushed since I was crushed at NL20 and hadn't a winning day in really long time. I really needed something fresh.

@Current Situation
Basically I won't disclose on which poker sites I'm playing but I can say there are gonna be multiple once. I'm gonna focus more on getting the best games as possible running(learn to table select) and kinda playing normal tables. As state this month there will not much of RB coming in so I guess overall the whole profits/losses are gonna come from playing. SO will see how that works.

@Last Couple of Days
Didn't grind that much since I was working on other stuff but still managed to put some smaller volume. Here are the results:





I still didn't get RB but as soon as I get it I will post the pic. It's gonna be harder to follow the actual results through 1 pic but I will manually updated the current state of the challenge.

CYA guys and GL at the tables!

Hello Hans,
I was just looking for a PG&C at iPoker and your thread seems to be perfect. I appreciate your effort that you put into well written updates with pictures. Your work ethic is excellent. So since I like what you're doing here, I am gonna leave you some of thoughts.

I used to be a slightly winning reg @ 100nl regular tables on iPoker, but haven't been playing for 4 months, because of uni. Two things need to be commented:

1) Your "notepad" file, where you compared Speed WR vs normal tables WR
You said, that you would need ~~ 8.3 bb/100 @ normal tables in order to reach the same hourly at speed. 2 bb/100 vs 8.3 bb/100 is obv a huge difference and the latter seems to be unreachable these days. However, I am not sure if you can even reach 2 bb/100 at Speed in the first place, while 7-tabling! That's too much man. Too robotic. It can actually turn out that you will only lose at a faster rate at Speed due to negative WR.

Next problem is a consequence of this one ->

2) Nosediving redline
Many people/coaches say: don't pay attention to redline, greenline is the most important. I always had problems with redline and since I repaired it, my results got better. As a poker player with 5.5 years of experience I can tell you with 80-90% certainty, that something is wrong with your game - like I said, probably because of super high volume/autopilot game.


My advice for you
- If you want to change site - that's perfectly fine. The breeze of freshness should help you to get your motivation back. Especially given the fact that iPoker is currently having major problems with their software.

- RB winrate vs regular winrate
RB winrate is a linear function, that can be easily predicted. The good thing is, that your winnings rely mostly on something that is certain. Now it's your job to get a winrate somewhere between (-1 ; 3) bb/100 range in order to show a decent profit.

On PokerStars your winning will rely mostly on your winrate. In order to achieve the same hourly, you will need to win around 2 bb/100 more on 100nl, should be like 3-3.5 bb/100 more on 50nl. Your winrate can fall somewhere in the (0 ; 6) bb/100 range (I increased the minimum, because I assume the games are easier), so effectively you will have a higher variance. I hope you get my point.

- Work on your game and think about playing normal tables.

I wish you all the best in 2014. I will watch your progress Hans. Good luck man.
Best regards,
Mati

Have you heard about the iPoker currency exchange thing?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...layers-883575/

Challenge Day: 70

Hi everyone,

@MatiKosa
Very awesome feedback, Mati! Very constructive and brought to the point. I based my 2bb/100 WR at that time as the average number between my EV WR and actual WR in December(Actual 1.xbb/100, EV WR 3.xbb/100). It was just an exercise for me how to calculate my hourly since this one of the more important things as poker player. GL to you as well poker wise and uni wise.

@Fishtankz
Very interesting stuff that you presented there. I expect from iPoker everything so this wouldn't really surprise me. TX for letting me now.

So today I got my RB payment and so I'm now completely ready to move from the site and start fresh on other sites. So after leaving iPoker the situation looks like this:



Yesterday was very OK-ish:





So since I'm 656.14$ up for this month this puts me:

TOTAL CHALLENGE: 5493.11$/10 000$

Let's hope I can continue providing this kind of results. I think next updated will be on Sunday. Till then.

That rakeback is crazy it shouldnt contribute towards the challange.

The RB is the main reason people play and win on ipoker. It's part of the game, since the rake is twice as high as stars, your wr is going to be significantly lower.

About the conversion thing with auto top up? Does this happen everytime you top up so maybe like 500-1000 times if you play 5k speed hands and change tables? That adds up alot at the end of the month.

Hans, so basically with rb you broke even during that terrible downswing? That is pretty darn solid given how bad you ran and the volume you were playing.

Good luck on new site and let me know if possible about the top up thing. I know 80 percent rb comes out to more like 70 or so at speed tables and if you add in the currency conversions thousand and thousands of times, plus a way better player pool, seems logical that even at 20nl its pretty hard to have a winning session. Lots of other players I talk to our going through the same. GL

3.7K in Rake is crazyyy.. Good stuff mate..!

Yeah i know that but Its much more impressive to beat the stakes for 10k off your actual winrate, and not lose 6bi for the month then get a massive 60bi given to you.

It is possible http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...100-a-1405595/

obviously but not one player can do this in the world following br requirements without rb on ipoker. It is too high. maybe he could but it would have been all at 10 and 20 and would take foreeeeeeeeever, ideal worlds are great but we don't live in them. It's a part of the game, understand and get used to it. Playing where you can get highest hourly is most important. I used to think like this until I saw how much ipoker was ***** me in the ass every session where I would get raked 3 times what stars raked. In today's games, good luck there without it and micro stakes.

Better stated as not "given" to you but "returned" to you after being robbed and ass rapppped by the site.

As far as I know PokerStars' rake is 10% lower than iPoker's with $2.80 cap, correct me if I am wrong. I do understand that €3 > $3, but in terms of bb/100 it doesn't make a difference (at least if you are a winner it's actually better for you).

On iPoker 100nl regular tables it takes around 16k hands to generate €1k rake, which translates to ~~ 6.25 bb/100 in rake. Given the average RB of 60%, we pay effectively 40% of that rake, so 2.5 bb/100.

On Stars rake would be 90% * 6.25 = 5.625 bb/100. Let's say it's even lower, 5.5 bb/100. It takes a while to get Supernova (30% RB), but let's be generous. That means we pay effectively 70% of that rake:
70% * 5.5 bb/100 = 3.85 bb/100.

Question is if Stars' games can make up for the ~ 1.5 bb/100 winrate. RB is a linear function, easy to predict, while winrate can be affected by variance, so the difference should be even higher. I don't take the rest of the factors into account, like software, its speed, convenience, etc.

That's maybe true for nl100, but a played a bit of nl20 speed when it was usd, I paid about 10bb/100 rake!!!

not talking 100nl, talking 10,20, and 50. at 10 rake is roughly 13bb/100. conversion top ups relative to stake etc make it extremely tough, you saw his challenge. I know 4 good ipoker regs that play 10nl-50nl, all have left since switch to euros. with rb winning like 7 bb/100 over large samples, this past month all 4 only broke even with rb, none has ever not made more than 3bb/100 with rb since moving to ipoker. It is def different at these stakes. At 100 maybe the small top ups have no effect.

So we avoid the currency conversion by making a new account in euros?