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09-02-2015 , 07:09 AM
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All i can say is Hans and Gordon are both really nice people.

Hope all is going well with you
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09-02-2015 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Eu.Era
It's common knowledge Hans grinded just as much before meeting Gordon than when he did so Gordon did not motivate Hans to put in sick volume and work. Hans was doing that anyway. The only thing Gordon did was probably make Hans play worse strategy wise (allowing him to beat the micros (he was playing too advanced for fish originally which is common)). I bought Gordon's 6 max book and watched the videos, the advice was terrible. He made Hans raise vs a donk bet with like 8 high and his reasoning was "because i always raise donk bets". You guys are defending Gordon for doing practically no work himself and making i'm assuming atleast half probably more. 125k for probably 100 hours of coaching?
I don't know the details of their deal, but doubt Hans paid that much... 30K would look more realistic. But agree re: the quality of the strat in his 6-max book -- it wouldn't beat even NL5 Zoom pre RB, in my view. Basically, this has been confirmed by Hans's results when he had his super long downstreak playing this oversimplified strat. Once he revamped his game and started table selecting and multi-rooming, things went much better.
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09-02-2015 , 01:29 PM
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I don't know the details of their deal, but doubt Hans paid that much... 30K would look more realistic. But agree re: the quality of the strat in his 6-max book -- it wouldn't beat even NL5 Zoom pre RB, in my view. Basically, this has been confirmed by Hans's results when he had his super long downstreak playing this oversimplified strat. Once he revamped his game and started table selecting and multi-rooming, things went much better.
So basically doing what he was doing before only table selecting and multi rooming soft sites whereas before he was likely not table selecting (or putting much effort into it) and playing on pokerstars. No as far as i know back then it was a 50 50 split even at 70 30 Gordon is getting 75k. Imo for that i would have hired sauce and be bossing HU on stars lol! At the end of the day Gordon definitely got paid way more than he is worth to say even his biggest fans defend him by claiming he helps mostly with motivation not really strategy. Hell hire sauce and jared tendler and still have change to spend.
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09-03-2015 , 07:51 PM
Hey hans impressive thread! If i can emulate 10% of your success i'll be happy. Any advice for a microstakes donk? Gl and hf mate!
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09-05-2015 , 12:21 AM
Hi guys,

TX, everyone for the nice words. It's always nice to see people getting motivated from my journey and it's also a motivator for me to continue this challenge.

@Tip for Microstakes
Build discipline. It can save you a lot of money.

@Discussion
Please guys, quit the fight. I know you guys have different opinions but I really don't want my blog full of posts where one flames the other.

Now, regarding my CFP experience:
It's true I'm actually probably the poorest 250k$ winnings player. But do I regret paying Gordon the agreed(''big'') amount. Never,never, ever, ever I even thought for a second that I made a wrong decision.
You guys probably don't have a clear idea how difficult it is to do CFP. Did you ever wonder why so many players rather offer just hours? It's ****ing easy money. With CFP you have to teach somebody to win, how to act professionally, have more coaching if needed and in the end you are directly creating a player that will take out money from your pocket(long term). So it's absolutely right that the CFP hourly for the coach is way higher(+ risk of not being able to rely on yourself) opposed to the standard coaching fee where you don't have any responsibilities.
I personally PM Doug Polk asking for CFP and I was again willing to invest even more of myself into poker despite the fact I was just released from 1 CFP. But I didn't get any answer and I asked other respected players, but hardly will someone for mid stakes, high stakes take you as unknown(with a official blog like this you might get easier because you prove yourself trustworthy). It's just the reality, and I experienced myself how hard a CFP deal is.
It's also true that most of the poker knowledge I didn't get from Gordon, but I got from him a very good mindset. I used to grind that much but I approached the game in a way different manner. It's hard for me to put it even into words.

Next thing, I play nowadays on a very known site(no banana sites) and 99% of this years volume/winnings come from this site. So multi rooming times are gone. Site name and SN will stay a secret till I think it's the right time for me to release it.

That's it guys! Have a nice day.
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09-05-2015 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HansTheGreat
Next thing, I play nowadays on a very known site(no banana sites) and 99% of this years volume/winnings come from this site. So multi rooming times are gone. Site name and SN will stay a secret till I think it's the right time for me to release it.
That's a nice thing to know.
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09-05-2015 , 06:06 PM
This thread is awesome, congrats man.
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10-05-2015 , 07:57 PM
Challenge Days: 410-433 + September 2015 Report


@Tashed
TX!


Hi guys,

It's time for an update. September was a mediocre month. I mean it's OK-ish but I didn't like my performance. I was again too much traveling through Europe to get a hold and was relaxing a bit too much. It might not be visible through my playing days but certainly volume and 125h isn't really my standard. But again with over 15k$ won postRB I really shouldn't be the one to complain.
It's just I'm so unsatisfied about my performance that it's making me angry. Of course I was at times tabling 16-18 tables and being out of my comfort zone while playing in 99% of line ups I just simply have to compromise somewhere. It's just a fact and whether I like it or not I have to deal with it. Maybe I'm too much of perfectionist and this is a way of maturing for me.

Anyway that's pretty much it for the month in terms of words I'm gonna say, but there are some pics coming as always:









TOTAL CHALLENGE: 261 548.30$(LAST UPDATE) + 9 841.12$(WINNINGS 24 DAYS) + 6 155.62$(RakeBack) = [SIZE=20]277 545.04$/ 500 000$[/SIZE]

Now I'm gonna say goodbye and leave you with an idea why it was so hard to hit the online felts:



Hold'em Brewery. Slogan: The brewery that doesn't bluff. Like!

and a new video:



LINK in case video doesn't work.

That's it.GL and cya!
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10-06-2015 , 02:11 PM
Gotta go with Hans on the debate. I have just joined the cfp program and really enjoying it. Even if I had the knowledge to beat the micros, I was using it improperly. I would do the exact same thing to be where Hans is and in the process of doing it. It gives me a future to look forward to even if I do have to give up a certain %. It was just said a % of something is better than a % of nothing, and just the knowledge alone is worth a bit.

BTW raising the donk bets works. If they figured it didn't work, they wouldn't tell you to do it. That would be wasting my money as well as theirs
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10-06-2015 , 06:51 PM
Hans you look like Jonah Hill :P
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10-06-2015 , 08:58 PM
No, its Jonah looking like Hans

Hans is way more boss!
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11-05-2015 , 01:24 AM
Challenge Days: 434-455 + October 2015 Report[


@Kounterfit
GL buddy for CFP!

Hi everyone,

Time to show my results for October. October was socially a very active month which is why volume and playing hours(105) weren't so good. I mean the results are way better then my overall attitude towards my job. Also I think my performances at the tables were so various that it's kind of miracle that I got a 20k$ month. In general the whole month was pretty swingy on the tables, not only because my performances, but also because I played in a lot of tough lines. I have to say that I'm not good enough for some line ups. In some spots or days I felt destroyed while on others I was the destroyer. This means that I feel too much variance and so it gets swingy as well with confidence boosts.








TOTAL CHALLENGE: 277 545.04$(LAST UPDATE) + 12 477.52$(WINNINGS 22 DAYS) + 8 043.90$(RakeBack) = 298 066.46$/ 500 000$

Not much more to say for this update. I think November is gonna be more interesting. Till then GL at the tables and cya!



LINK in case video doesn't work.
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12-01-2015 , 06:03 PM
Challenge Days: 456-471 + November 2015 Report


Hey guys,

So it's time to wrap up November. If I would need to say one word that would best describe this month, I guess it would be something like ''Hans you got punished for being lazy''. Now the longer version goes something like this:
In the beginning of the month I got hit by variance pretty brutal especially on NL1k tables. But as always it's not all about variance. There was something wrong. I didn't look the whole month at my graph but I felt something isn't right. Some of my frequencies are over the top(when I saw the graph I got the confirmation) and felt like I'm very undisciplined. I felt like I was ''behind the curve'' and people caught up.Then there were some wedding and some other trips which again made me play less and I was stuck in a hole deep 11k$ at times. And I wasn't really putting volume and this thing hunted me despite not being able to play. Then I got the last week of November and made my comeback and fell short for 800$ to avoid my first pre RB losing month. It was a chase that last till yesterday 23:59 when 1min later I officially had a losing month pre RB.Ironically 5min before the deadline I had JJ vs AK on NL400 that would have brought me ''salvation'', but it simply wasn't supposed to be. And in some way I didn't deserved it to be honest.

For me this is a hit and a warning sign. In a sense that I got lazy and I got punished. That's why you have to love a downer sometimes. It's just like a slap in the face and once you realize what happened, you start again taking things more serious. So for example this month I play about 95h and 1/2 of it were in the last 7 days. And since the edges are getting smaller more volume will be required especially when you run and play bad on the highest stakes. Luckily there were some nice promos and I got a very nice RB but overall a very ''interesting'' month from which I got a lot to learn.







TOTAL CHALLENGE: 298 066.46$(LAST UPDATE) - 788.28$(WINNINGS 16 DAYS) + 9 131.07$(RakeBack) = 306 409.25$/ 500 000$

So for the end I wanted to say, given the fact that the number of PM's I get is increasing, I want to briefly tackle some of the most common questions I get.
I'm not a part of BPC. I don't do any coaching for BPC CFP or any private deals. I'm just there a (former active) member.
Also my CFP was very different compared to the new version so it's hard for me to tell what can you expect there. So if you are interested PM guys who are actually currently in the program or those who just lately finished.
To the topic whether 6max or HU I can just say that HU shows faster results(nature of the game). Also there are way more success stories from HU then 6max and way more people gave up/failed the 6max program then HU. AFAIK I never heard about someone switching from HU to 6max while the other way around happened a few of times. About PLO and SNG I can't really say anything because I don't know much about.

I hoped with this few sentences that I answered some of the most common questions and if you still have a question about CFP you can ask ITT so anybody can read it.
That's it. TTYA guys by the end of the year.Cya!
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12-01-2015 , 06:53 PM
Hey Hans, any quick thoughts on this one?

Which format do you think is better in the end? If you make it to the top (mid stakes), do you rather be a 6-max or HU player?
I think the future looks brighter for the ring game players, as a lot of sites want to get rid of HU or make it tougher to bumhunt.
I think 6-max is a lot tougher to learn. Bumhunting HU brings very quick results indeed. With 6-max you don't have to sign up for risky sites. You can just play all your volume on one site.
Bumhunting HU is very comparable to having a fast script, easy access to the fish. So if you have a fast script, is it worth it to wait for fish at HU tables all day?
(I'm self-pro, not considering CFP)

Anyways nice to see you turned the month around. Blue line looks horrible!
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12-01-2015 , 10:35 PM
Awesome thread. Congratz with solid results.

All tiem giraph one time?
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12-02-2015 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HansTheGreat
Also there are way more success stories from HU then 6max and way more people gave up/failed the 6max program then HU.
Hi Hans, hope you are well old friend?

I am not sure those two statements are accurate but maybe you have access to some figures? Since CFP went mainstream I can only think of Steezy and Atvars who completed at 6 max and at HU can think of Rylan, M1ndCrtl, Somebody, Goodfake, Nubson. I guess as a percentage that is "way more" (but then HU had more entrants I believe).

As for the amount of people that "gave up/failed" the numbers are too high now to make a comparison (without the accurate data).

Be interesting if you do have figures.

GL amigo.
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01-07-2016 , 03:58 PM
Challenge Days: 472-487 + December 2015 Report


@Loff
TX! Look below

@Discussion
Well, I think it's somewhat simple. I think nowadays 6max is way better choice long term. Short term HU ofc. It all depends how you see yourself in the poker world. Cliff: Latest Kanu7 interview with joeingram
Now the HU is better and had more success stories then 6max because of the fact that the initial coach is way more suitable for that format and the fact that the nature of the game is most ''predatoric''.
I don't have exact numbers but we can count them quick:
- 2 players who finished(atvars and steezy)
- 4 players that quit( Iron, Whosyadaddy, Nuno,Jimmz)
- 3 player that switched(KP,Nathy,Bryan)
- 1 player still in for 1,5 year(Crazyhorse)
Which overall should be a 20% success rate. Some of these people weren't direct under Gordon but still they were under BPC CFP. There are also probably some people like Scoom or other guys that I haven't followed or know who quit. Also there is a fact that those who succeeded had the highest knowledge prior CFP(vars 100-200 and steezy 50-100 like me while everybody else was lower expect Bryan and the lazy cool **** Whosyadaddy).
Does it mean CFP is bad??? NOPE. There isn't much else on the market just these numbers mean that it's harder to finish the CFP. It's not as easy as some people think. And you really have to stay strong and you have to keep in mind that this format isn't suited for everyone. Like Iron and KP are IMO the prime examples of people who put an awesome and respectful amount of work but they didn't make it(I know Iron reasons only). But I still encourage everyone(send one of my best friends that I know for now almost 23 years in the program and I don't have one single % in BPC share) who is committed and hasn't had any great results to join the program because you are not gonna find something similar on the market.



Hey guys,

Long time no update. Before I start my update I would like to wish all followers a happy and successful New Year. Was once again a nice pleasure sharing my journey with you.
Now what to say about December? Second losing month. I didn't put a lot of volume and I was enjoying a lot of festivities and didn't put any effort in turning things around.
The last 100k hands(December and November) I didn't win anything(actually I lost 2k$, although I'm 6,5k$ in EV) I can definitely say I'm pretty sure it's one of those bad 100k runs that happens every 2million hands but I also wasn't playing really good. I was really poor, almost to a level where I got really really lazy and didn't have any job obligations. I don't know what was the reason(probably very settled with the money) but I'm guessing that maybe reaching some of goals earlier then expected sort of killed my motivation to play. Hate this feeling when I only play because it's my job or because I'm obligated. Guess lesson learned.

So overall I made 2,5k$(post RB) which is OK given my poor performance but still........mehh. Anyway let's see some picks:





At least red line finally normal


and I have to celebrate a milestone for this challenge with a 2 Million Hands Graph:



TOTAL CHALLENGE: 306 409.25$(LAST UPDATE) - 2 642.75$(WINNINGS 16 DAYS) + 5 110.44$(RakeBack) = 308 876.94$/ 500 000$



2015 Report


So let's review 2015. First full year ''on my own'' and I have to say I in the big picture satisfied.
I made over 150k$ overall(had first +30k$), traveled consistently and improved in a lot of aspects. I guess most of my goals for the year were achieved although the end of the year left me a big impact on me. Also health wise it wasn't the best year.
When I look back at year I see that I could have made way, way more. Easy 200k+. I mean if I wouldn't have been so unprofessional in certain parts of the year that number would have been easy to crush.
But asides from the numbers this are the things that for me have the most value:
- I need a routine(can't change consistently places)
- I need to always find some sort of motivation otherwise I'm screwed
- Focus more on health

This very simple 3 things that everybody knows are the 3 most important things that I take from 2015 and start with them 2016 smarter.For you I leave a graph of the year:



So what to expect from 2016?
So 2016 I decided to go back to bumhunt exclusively.In 2015 I 99.99% playing on only 1 very famous site and I could satisfy myself that I played in really challenging line ups, could afford to play on any lineups up to 400 but I don't see that as the most profitable thing in 2016. Already this month report will be screwed because I don't have HH from some network(saving HH is gonna become a crime lol) and it's sort of ridic how big the differences is between the technical levels on top sites and small skins. Anyway I established after a lot of thinking that the most +EV decision for 2016 should be bumhunting. The goal should be to finish this challenge.

Another thing is that I expect to learn a new format either PLO, MTT or another card game. Just to add a new potential source of money. After February I hope I will only play 400+ and I think once I polished my game again I think it's gonna be a great time to finally make a step forward to the ultimate goal ''become an all round'' poker player.

Anyway that's it. It's a long update, I hope you enjoyed it and I'm gonna be back somewhere in February. GL at the tables!
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01-07-2016 , 08:40 PM
Gl Hans. Great year. Do you have any tips on bumhunting? You use any software for that? How do you select your tables and is it an ongoing thing during your session?
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01-08-2016 , 05:15 AM
Hi Hans,

I agree with you regarding HU or 6max (outside of CFP) but your initial comment was about whether there have been more "failures" at BPC CFP in the HU or in the 6max programme and I think it would be interesting to know.

You only quote figures/names for 6max and you also must be aware 2 of those quitters also failed at HU there and another one cannot be labelled a success yet either.

Also you label Ironhades as someone who did not make it. Iron is a very good friend of yours and mine, and maybe you know a little bit more than I do, but it is my opinion that he is not quite what I would call a fail because he has had (I am 99% sure of this) two $10k+ months during CFP. To me (knowing his previous achievements) this is by no means a fail but that is just my opinion.

I am a little bit surprised you have recommended your friend to join there if I am honest. Did you recommend him to do 6max or HU or another format there?

On another note. Big respect to your results (as always). As I was reading your post for December I thought you looked a little bit lost with regard to direction. Then I see "learn other formats" and "back to bumhunt" and a suggestion that your "ultimate goal" is to become an all-round player. Is that really your "ultimate" goal (or is that just your poker goal)? If not what is your ultimate goal please?

All the best mate, KP.
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01-08-2016 , 05:56 AM
Awesome thread! subbed :-)
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01-08-2016 , 10:17 AM
Congrats on the 2million hands, amazing results and sick graph. Gl in 2016
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01-08-2016 , 04:44 PM
@Geefmede5
TX! There actually no real tips for bumhunting. It's easy, open 10 lobbies, monitor them, take action when it's time. Table selection becomes an ongoing process and part of every session as are the 3 buttons that we always use.

@KP24
Well first of all I define failure if some students want to quit my program for whatever reasons. There is a reason why you, Nathy and Bryan(that's the only one 1 officially and exactly know) decided to give up on 6max. I don't have to know which are the one but you change aka quit the current program and started another one. That wouldn't be a problem if people would also do otherwise. I didn't meet any player in Dubrovnik(+never heard or read) that did the opposite. I might be wrong but do you know any HU that said:'' I want to quit the HU program and join the 6max!''? It simply looks like there is a problem with the course. I'm sorry if I expressed myself wrong which might be possible since English isn't my native language.

Like for Iron, it's presented to you as it's success but who stops blogging out of nowhere because he is successful? He only had 1x10k$ but after talking to him and actually I helped his game he wasn't happy nor his game was very good and he was for 1 year and 3 months in. And not anywhere near 60k.

I've recommended my friend because he wanted to take poker seriously and there is no better institution then BPC. I recommended him the 6max Micro-Crush and he likes it he can continue but for starter BPC is nuts. Highly motivated community, strict instructions to build discipline and work ethic. Everything that a lot micro players leak.

Becoming an all round poker player is my ultimate poker goal. I know to play NLH ring games so time for something new. And this will be a step into reaching my ''ultimate poker goal''. And the bumhunt thing should just allow me to focus more easily on learning the new format and it's also IMO the most +EV decision.

Hope I explained myself properly.

@Spazzaments
TX!

@dev123
TY!GL to you as well!
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01-09-2016 , 04:40 AM
Hi mate,

Thanks for the extended reply. You have explained yourself very well thank you. I think it is my question of your point that maybe you misunderstand.

I basically wondered if you knew whether a larger percentage of people quit the HU programme or a larger percentage quit the 6 max programme. My reason for asking you this was that a lot for people follow your (and my) thread and I think a large percentage of them might think of joining CFP so they would like to know the truth (and I would like to give it to them accurately). I know a lot of people who have failed at HU (I am using your definition of fail this time), and I think it is only going to get worse. Anyway I will assume you do not know the answer as it seems you are further detached from CFP than I previously thought.

Thanks for telling us that you recommended to your friend the much smaller 6max crusher course too. I could not equate why you would send somebody on the 60k journey so soon after you pointed out so many failures. I totally agree that CFP @ BPC is absolutely perfect for starters IN THIS MINI FORMAT. The 60k programmes do not seem to be working out for beginners/micro players in my opinion (largely due to the lack of Gordon to student interaction).

Good luck on your ultimate poker goal my friend. If anyone is going to achieve that it is you.

KP.
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02-05-2016 , 08:03 AM
Challenge Days: 488-507 + January 2016 Report


@KP24
TX buddy and GL to you as well in 2016 in all aspect of your life!

Hey guys,

I'm back with the first update for 2016. So January was the classic month were I'm a bit lazy, tired and for the first time I was a bit ''searching myself''. This happened to me for the first time. I should probably explain myself a bit better.
Basically November and December were bad months because I lacked motivation. Now this lack of motivation came from the fact that I reached my yearly goals somewhere mid November. Now I don't want this to happen again but still I found myself starting 2016 without a clear goal. Then I was thinking for a while, looking at around, searching for this something that will bump my motivation to a higher level. I was even thinking about it while I was on ski vacation because I was looking at all this nice cars and I thought about for a while buying myself one. But in the end, my rational mindset came to a conclusion that it doesn't make much sense for me to buy a car since I'm anyway not into cars and I drive like 4 times a month and on top of that I don't want to get motivated by something that will lose value every year. But then I somehow hit me, this old dream of mine, having something like this:



Once I got enthusiastic about it, results got better. I was more sever on myself, I was happy again sitting down and grinding. Because in the end, everything is actually already set up in some way, it just all comes down to me grinding the $. So short term goal till June is to grind to buy the land.

In regards, to my playing results, as I announced I started to play on banana sites as well and so the graph below is incomplete(miss 3504.76$).







TOTAL CHALLENGE: 308 876.94$(LAST UPDATE) + 6 785.95$(WINNINGS 16 DAYS) + 4 479.66$(RakeBack) = 320 142.55$/ 500 000$

So the year started with a nice 11k$ month which I will very gladly take given my bad performance in the beginning, ski holidays and I had to relocate. Not even my playing hours look that bad with 120. Anyway biggest issue solved, let's see how February will come out. GL!
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02-06-2016 , 04:33 AM
Nice month HTG.

Great that you have found a goal to get you going again.

I will be following even more intently than ever now as your story gets EVEN MORE interesting.

I hope you will talk about your search for motivation more in future because you have been a fantastic motivator for a lot of us in the past and present but now I think you are about to become a teacher.

One question. If you could name one or two things that drove you to get to this stage in your life what would they be please Sir?

Beautiful house btw. Will you buy a plot of land and build something to your own spec?
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