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Old 11-10-2013, 02:06 PM   #26
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

You are really loose (30/25), what is the main reason for that? Do you play a lot shorthanded (2,3 players), are NL2 regs that bad or are you that loose on higher limits also?
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:14 PM   #27
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

tough challenge!

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Old 11-10-2013, 02:33 PM   #28
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

This is a blog to promoting GORDON GEKKO..... I'm sure he is just another progege. Let's see if I'm right or wrong.

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Old 11-10-2013, 10:25 PM   #29
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

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This is a blog to promoting GORDON GEKKO..... I'm sure he is just another progege. Let's see if I'm right or wrong.

I am sure you are right, but what is the problem with that?
All i see is that his proteges are making money and creating the results we are all dreaming about.

Keep going Hans, i hope you make a lot of money and success in this challenge.
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Old 11-11-2013, 12:05 AM   #30
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Day 6&7

Challenge Day: 6&7


Hi everyone,

TY for the support!

@Lumpizaver
Yeah I'm generally playing like this as well on higher it's just that I normally live from a red line instead from a blue line which is of course on this limit very tough(although I still consider having a red line showing profit and a blue line showing loses is also not the way to go/leak so have to work on that). I'm actually quite tight from EP & MP but extremely lose from the SB besides the standard BU &CO. That's actually it. But also yeah I played as well played a lot of 4way or 3way tables so of course that might influenced it. And in general I would say that I think I play a bit looser on the regular tables and tighter on the fast tables. Don't know why because it's supposed to be otherwise but yeah, maybe it's a leak of mine.


Anyway, wanted to make a post for 2 days together which seemed like a better option since it's weekend so I spent most of the time grinding. Anyway don't seem to be happy with the last 2days/10k hands . I mean it's not like I play bad or something(of course I still make mistakes) but I can't say that I'm happy with the results(had my first day in red). I mean don't get me wrong I'm still winning but not as hoped I will.

Anyway here are the results:





I also got 3 more increments of the FDB worth 24$ so the cashier looks something like this:



Anyway tomorrow no matter what I will grind my 8h on NL5 and see how it ends. If I hit 250$ I will move up to NL10. So, till tomorrow then!

Oh, I almost forgot to leave a nice hand

IPoker Network $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2352611
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BB: $1.92 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 18, 3B: 0, AF: 3.0, Hands: 11
UTG: $1.07 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 13
MP: $0.88 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 14, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 21
CO: $7.63 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 36, 3B: 17, AF: 0.0, Hands: 14
BTN: $5.38 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 12, 3B: 4, AF: 2.7, Hands: 630
Hero (SB): $11.54 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 23, 3B: 7, AF: 5.1, Hands: 30787

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with J J
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.18, 1 fold, UTG raises to $1.07, CO calls $0.87, Hero calls $0.87

Flop: ($3.26) J A J (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($3.26) T (3 players)
Hero bets $1.97, CO calls $1.97

River: ($7.20) Q (3 players)
Hero bets $5.04, CO calls $4.59 all in

Final Pot: $16.38
UTG shows 4 4
CO shows Q K
CO wins $15.38
Hero wins $0.45
(Rake: $0.55)
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:31 AM   #31
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

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I am sure you are right, but what is the problem with that?
All i see is that his proteges are making money and creating the results we are all dreaming about.

Keep going Hans, i hope you make a lot of money and success in this challenge.
Sorry, I didn't mean to say a bad things. But In restropect, yeah it sound a negative expression. My bad english.

I actually follow some of their blogs and like it. That's why I can guess.
Good Luck to OP..... will be following.

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Old 11-11-2013, 03:07 AM   #32
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Sorry, I didn't mean to say a bad things. But In restropect, yeah it sound a negative expression. My bad english.

I actually follow some of their blogs and like it. That's why I can guess.
Good Luck to OP..... will be following.

That's OK, i am probably a bit on the fence about this issue, because i do not understand all the haters, when one protege after another creates these amazing results.

I for one want to do the exact same thing...

@Hans

Sick hand there, i guess you slowplayed yourself into that... lol

I guess that hand might just be the definition of a setup or a cooler.
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Old 11-11-2013, 06:55 AM   #33
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

I was asking about your style because in your initial post you said: "I have tried advanced methods and all that bull**** that you see in the internet.". And you current style kind of contradicts that statement (and general Gordon's philosophy).

I would say that playing at 30/25 falls into the category of advanced methods, because it is definitely way way looser than standard. You said that you play a ton of small blinds, which means you get into a lot of marginal spots OOP (when battling vs blinds and when vs button as well). I think you can easily play like that in lower limits but on higher limits being OOP with a wide range is not a good place to be, because good regs just make your life tough in spots like this.

Don't take this personal, I am not attacking you or anything like that . Furthermore I even think that playing loose on micros where people either just fold way way too much or never fold (you can spot which player falls into which category pretty soon) is the most profitable way. I am just curious if you will be able to maintain this 30/25 style as you move up the ladder. Also can you post your stats by position I would love to see your vpip/pfr separate for every position.
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Old 11-11-2013, 08:51 AM   #34
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

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I was asking about your style because in your initial post you said: "I have tried advanced methods and all that bull**** that you see in the internet.". And you current style kind of contradicts that statement (and general Gordon's philosophy).

I would say that playing at 30/25 falls into the category of advanced methods, because it is definitely way way looser than standard. You said that you play a ton of small blinds, which means you get into a lot of marginal spots OOP (when battling vs blinds and when vs button as well). I think you can easily play like that in lower limits but on higher limits being OOP with a wide range is not a good place to be, because good regs just make your life tough in spots like this.

Don't take this personal, I am not attacking you or anything like that . Furthermore I even think that playing loose on micros where people either just fold way way too much or never fold (you can spot which player falls into which category pretty soon) is the most profitable way. I am just curious if you will be able to maintain this 30/25 style as you move up the ladder. Also can you post your stats by position I would love to see your vpip/pfr separate for every position.
The funny part is that I'm actually sticking to Gordon philoshopy. I mean you also did DY6mWR course and so you are aware that he is a fan of stealing from the SB with a way wider range of the standard 40%. Anyway I decided to stick to his advice as I would on higher stakes and after I saw that in his new book for micro stakes still advices to mR the SB with a 60%+ range unless as always proven/have a reason to do otherwise. So I stick to it.

I don't think that I will hold the style for a long time since I switched to Speed poker and on fast poker formats as stated I have a more tighter(currently 27/22) approach(but honestly don't know if that's a good thing to go). Here you go:




@Hypno
I also thought jeez...that's the definition of a cooler. I mean when there is a 4card flush straight draw then it's like more reasonable then this. I shoved my quads so happily then any other hand before in my life and then got this cooler that I had to laugh about for like 5min. I mean it might be because it's NL5 so it doesn't really hurt(if it was a 300$ pot I might think differently) but it actually shows the beauty and the sickness of this game.
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Old 11-11-2013, 08:57 AM   #35
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The funny part is that I'm actually sticking to Gordon philoshopy. I mean you also did DY6mWR course and so you are aware that he is a fan of stealing from the SB with a way wider range of the standard 40%. Anyway I decided to stick to his advice as I would on higher stakes and after I saw that in his new book for micro stakes still advices to mR the SB with a 60%+ range unless as always proven/have a reason to do otherwise. So I stick to it.
I agree, but just like I said when you move up (NL200, NL400) regs give you a ton of reasons not to be wide in SB vs BB. Anyway keep up the good work.
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Old 11-11-2013, 05:53 PM   #36
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Nice blog mate. Keep up the good work
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:08 PM   #37
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Day 8

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@Lumpizaver
I have to agree with you because I know any decent regular will give me insane headache if I would open that wide and I think I would definitely lose a lot of money. But yeah, as the limits come I will adjust.

@steif4life
Hmm...you avatar and location makes me think that I know you
Anyway TY

Well, looks like NL5 journey is over as well. As I stated I'm not happy with the results but should I really care how I do on NL2 or NL5. Sounds like I'm bumping my head with things that aren't really important since it's anyway not the point to crush this micro stakes and I only had 1 day in the red.

Anyway tomorrow I'll shot at NL10 most likely 2 tabling Speed since I want the shot to work. I feel extremely good at the tables and reduced the amount of mistakes. Also I was wondering are the fishes in this fast poker formats more tighter then on the normal tables? I mean one of or edge over a classic fish is the fact that we are more patient and we don't have to play every hand and most fishes want action. So since there is this nice Speed Fold button they don't tend do be that inpatient and so as a result less action happens. Any thoughts about this?





I also got 10$ from FDB so from now on until 1st December when I will get RB only winnings will count towards cashier that looks like this:



Anyway I feel I made mistake here even it's 340BB:

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BB: $17.22 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 21, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 188
UTG: $5.51 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 1.7, Hands: 62
MP: $1.02 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 24, 3B: 16, AF: 16.3, Hands: 1275
CO: $3.17 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
BTN: $3.59 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 13, AF: 4.3, Hands: 141
Hero (SB): $32.26 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 4.9, Hands: 39669

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K K
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, BB raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $0.95, BB raises to $17.22, 1 fold

Thoughts?
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:17 PM   #38
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easy fold.. lol @ "without using advanced strategies" that was gold lol
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:20 AM   #39
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Yeah speed games are just a nit fest (I am saying this from my experience on ZOOM 50-200). On PS ZOOM the number of fishes is much lower than in normal tables (if you table select well you can easily have a soft spot on every normal table), the fishes are usually not 90/10 whales, and the regs are also nittier for a few percent I woul say. That is why I don't like speed poker + add the lack of table dynamics, your reads rely mainly on HUD stats ...
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:50 AM   #40
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Why iPoker? Up to NL10 youre paying like 20bb/100 rake.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:49 PM   #41
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Good progress I'd fold KK that deep.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:35 PM   #42
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BB: $17.22 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 21, 3B: 7, AF: 2.7, Hands: 188
UTG: $5.51 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 1.7, Hands: 62
MP: $1.02 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 24, 3B: 16, AF: 16.3, Hands: 1275
CO: $3.17 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 8
BTN: $3.59 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 13, AF: 4.3, Hands: 141
Hero (SB): $32.26 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 4.9, Hands: 39669

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K K
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, BB raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $0.95, BB raises to $17.22, 1 fold

Thoughts?
BB seems a competent player from those stats, so you would at best be up against a top 5 hand, and for that much folding is not a shame, but on the other hand, you are very strong yourself so a call wouldn't be a bad decision either.

Perhaps in those situations it would be good to consider what your opponent thinks about you?
What image are you projecting?

Difficult spot, mostly because of depth of stacks.
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:24 AM   #43
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Re: NEW Challenge: Watch how I turn $50 into $10.000 without using advanced strategies

LOL to the fold with KK!! the big blind is not nit so why you folded KK ??Because you are afraid to lose 340BB pot against AA.If you dont call with KK second best hand maybe you should not play so deep
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Old 11-14-2013, 07:54 AM   #44
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:35 PM   #45
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LOL to the fold with KK!! the big blind is not nit so why you folded KK ??Because you are afraid to lose 340BB pot against AA.If you dont call with KK second best hand maybe you should not play so deep
I agree. Folding kk pre is lol. No question about that and i never teach ppl to do this.

340BB is a thing, but still
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:26 PM   #46
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Yep. Do it as it is mentioned in the title and don't use advanced strategies.
KK in a blindbattle is a stackoff. Period.
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Old 11-15-2013, 12:45 AM   #47
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Yep. Do it as it is mentioned in the title and don't use advanced strategies.
KK in a blindbattle is a stackoff. Period.
I just recently started playing cash games, and i find it often is a lot like tournament play a bit into the money, but before blinds really become a problem.
There i would have no prob. folding KK if i felt pretty sure i was up against AA.

So my answer here should be seen in that light.

But i also get where you are coming from, and i kinda have to admit that without a very solid read it's a stack-off.

However in reality i might also have folded myself, I'm not sure tho.
Nah, I'm probably not good enough to lay that down yet...
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Old 11-15-2013, 06:40 AM   #48
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Hey guys,

I didn't updated because I got lazy and escaped on my free day a couple of hours earlier. I planned from the begging on to updated for 2 days before I hit my free day(Thursday) and on Wednesday I finished just about in time to visit my dentist. Guess after that visit I wasn't really in the mood for sitting in front of the PC. But yeah, sometimes the updates will be daily and sometimes for two days depending on the amount of work and other commitments. Next updated will be after 2 Challenge days.

Anyway, NL10 shot failed and now I'm back to NL5. Feel after analyzing the hands with Gordon that I was somewhere in between of run bad and not sticking to what we agreed/following the book/mistakes. I think the system in general describes a lot of situation that micro stakes player find themselfs in very good and gives default lines how to handle them and so it's really gonna work as well extremely good for NL10. I agreed on sticking to it and thus I should punch myself for actually inventing some BS of mine. Anyway, what's done is done I will move down but before that here are the results:





So the cashier doesn't look that nice anymore:



@Lumpizaver
Yeah you are probably right and so I know sooner or later I will be switching back and in the end it's gonna be just a matter of time. But I think for now sticking to fast games and putting in volume is probably the way to go.

@Dagryl
Well I'm not really worried about the rake there because my rake/RB ratio is fairly OKish

@KK Hand
I think the spot can go both ways. I got flamed and praised for taking that line. Most likely given the name of the thread I should have probably sticked to it and have called it off(especially in a blindbattle). Anyway when I will finish my NL5 journey(moved up to NL10 successfully) I will make another vBlog entry explaining what is needed for me in order to call and so everyone can decide for himself. I will never find out if I folded correctly or not(because if they hypothesis/the exact range isn't correct so the results can't be mathematically) but having some basic math ideas about this spot will not hurt anyone.
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Old 11-15-2013, 09:36 AM   #49
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Old 11-15-2013, 10:40 AM   #50
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Great PG&C thread. Subbed!

By the way:
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After analyzing the hands with Gordon that I was somewhere in between of run bad and not sticking to what we agreed / following the book / mistakes.
What book?
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