Try brokenstars? Hes 8bbev 200zone and only charges 100$/hr

Whoever said it was? looks like its actually the opposite, you are building big pots with air then getting owned on rivers. ie, bad aggression.

People suggested the red line issue was probably a result of too low aggression, which is a typical tendency of a lot of players to not fight for pots.
I was just trying to show with a few hands that I don't fall under the category of someone who gives up too much, so I tried to find some of the most aggressive bluffs I had made, not saying they are standard necessarily.

If you look at my stats, I have 62% flop cbet (most of those are gonna be for the small 33% size), 43% turn cbet, 51% river cbet. Nothing looks too out of order there to me, what about you?

I'm totally open to this conversation and I fully want to resolve my leaks, but basing it off only 4 hands, is not really a good diagnostic of what I'm doing wrong, in my view (unless my stats indicated that my action in these hands was very common/typical of my approach (which I promise it's not)).

I usually shy away from cbetting with the small size OOP, bc it leads to getting floated a lot, and we end up playing a lot of turns OOP without having defined Villain's range too well. However I definitely see regs using this approach so I'm open to it. This hand was also multiway as well.
What do you think on this?

Agree river sizing doesn't make much sense, I think I just potted it to try to get that little bit of increased FE.

I think the turn barrel is what ppl are flaming me for, we have a lot of better bluffs to pick from (all the QJs that had a bd otf, clubs, maybe AQ, AJ, etc), even A4s is a slightly higher equity semibluff.

You too. Show your graphs from 2NL through 50NL with *large sample sizes* showing you crushing each level or shut the **** in all these threads. Or else I call bs on you.

lulz. I got to give you credit. You have some serious audacity trying to get smart with anyone on here let alone me, considering you have been stuck on 5nl for 6 years. No offense but I don't think your even qualified to post on these forums at all. Just self ban and put yourself out of misery.

Not sure how many hands we are talking about in total for your downswing. A lot of the large monetary volatility is likely due to playing under rolled and possibly due to playing in games where you have a small positive or potentially even negative winrate. You should def do what berri sour said and figure out what site and stake you can definitely beat and pumping out a ton of volume with a proper bankroll and then take appropriate shots once the roll supports it. Playing underrolled is just a recipe for disaster for a professional poker player. People got away with it back in the day because edges were so much higher but these days if you want to be successful discipline is key. There are still some very beatable games out there for a good winrate. Figure out your bread and butter game, grind hard, keep life expenses/spending low, and develop some skills for a backup plan as online poker becomes tougher. Getting some coaching would prob be good for you but I also think you'd be fine just getting back to basics and playing a solid game while game selecting hard and you'll turn it around. Proper bankroll, volume in good games, and playing your A/B game at all times are the key. glgl

Don't worry about the redline. It about playing situations the most ev way. Sometimes it will cause the redline to go down. An example I raised UTG KK mp cold called(fish) bb (donk) shoved around 40 bbs. I just flat with my KK and fish behind calls too flop comes an A and I have to check fold he shoves his 150 bbs down my throat. I could reraised or shove pre and force the other fish to fold we were over 150 bbs deep and I know i can make a lot more money if I get a decent flop instead of pushing him out of the pot. BUt if i do that 100 times by calling over 100 times by rerasing and causing him to fold his A2 I am going to make way more money by cold calling pre to get the other fish in the pot and maybe take down another 150bbs. And it will hurt my red line when we fold on A flop but your green line gets a big boost when you stack his 150 bbs by calling pre. So if its more +ev it doesn't matter if it hurts your redline some. Its just a dam line. i think the fact that its red it makes people pay extra attention to it. Color red means like danger or bad. I wish they would change the color and everyone would be fine

And your on fish sites iggy and global. Your going to see a lot more multi way pots meaning you have to check fold a ton unless you hit a decent flop over a site like poker stars where opponents play tighter ranges and your in more hu situations where you can bluff more leading to better red line. You don't need a coach just study your holdem manager and see where your leaking money. You have to work hard to make money at poker. You will be your best coach trust me.

If you think have to have coaching then the only player I have seen play poker properly and teach it online properly is ben sulsky. The rest have tons of leaks that I have personally watched. They pass up on so many basic +ev situations ( good players will spot this) they actually need coaching and don't realize it. And they post pretty graphs. Anyone can do that an take out big pots they lost. But bens results are on high stakes poker database he is 100% legit. Maybe watch his videos if you think you need coaching. But I would not recommend being coached by anyone who has not been a pro for at least 10 years online and done it for a living successfully. And people with authentic results not on holdem manager that can be manipulated. Within 10 years a grinder will face downswing and have to deal with adversity and if they can get through that and continue to do for a living those are the great players that you want to follow and earned the right of being called a pro.

ignore your red line. The focus should be in the hand your in and whats the most +ev way to play the hand. not oh i need to play this hand in a way to make my red line go up. Thats good way to have green line go down. When that happens you will quit worry about the red line as the green line puts a hole in your pocket.

Lol jam the KK 100 percent pure strategy.

Exploiters gotta lose that money...

You're a super weak/passive fish on WPN 5NL. I've played with you a few times recently and the way you play will never win on that network. Period. You play at like 17/4/0, never show aggression of any kind, and constantly make weak calldowns on the turn and river. You're a -20bb/100 player on 5NL, on your best day.

That Gambino guy was embarrassing you this morning and he's not even a good player.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $6.70 (VPIP: 22.62, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 6.15, Hands: 182)
BTN: $4.46 (VPIP: 24.69, PFR: 19.25, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 249)
SB: $4.35 (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 16.00, Hands: 74)
BB: $5.05 (VPIP: 18.00, PFR: 12.00, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 50)
Hero (UTG): $5.34
MP: $5.25 (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 201)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A T

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) 7 J K
SB bets $0.10, BB raises to $0.35, SB calls $0.25

Turn: ($1.00, 2 players) 4
SB checks, BB checks

River: ($1.00, 2 players) 7
SB checks, BB bets $0.65, SB calls $0.65

SB shows J Q (Two Pair, Jacks and Sevens)
(Pre 76%, Flop 70%, Turn 83%)
BB shows T Q (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 24%, Flop 30%, Turn 17%)
SB wins $2.19
Rake paid $0.09

$0.02 was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

Worldzmine was in the BB.


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $7.45 (VPIP: 20.65, PFR: 14.19, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 169)
BTN: $3.98 (VPIP: 24.89, PFR: 19.31, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 243)
SB: $3.60 (VPIP: 42.62, PFR: 29.51, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 65)
BB: $5.54 (VPIP: 17.07, PFR: 12.20, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 41)
Hero (UTG): $5.54
MP: $5.05 (VPIP: 23.81, PFR: 16.40, 3Bet Preflop: 1.61, Hands: 192)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K T

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.20, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.40, 2 players) K 6 5
SB checks, BB bets $0.25, SB calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.90, 2 players) A
SB checks, BB checks

River: ($0.90, 2 players) J
SB bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

SB shows J J (Three of a Kind, Jacks)

SB wins $1.24
Rake paid $0.04

$0.02 was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.


Worldzmine was in the BB.

Let this be a lesson to mouthy little micro garbage regs in the future. Rnd 1 KO.

Not going to lie, those hands were not that badly played. In that last one he's getting 5.5:1 on a call so he should be calling there most of the time especially against a player as loose as the small blind. If you have Kx or a weak pair there it shouldn't be too much of a mistake to call imo.

Those were within a couple of minutes and just what I grabbed quick. Every session is like that for him. He just bleeds.

The real saving grace in his favor is that he's by no means alone. He's a reg on 2p2, then there's me, then there's another 2 players who are at least as good as us, etc. With the rake as it is, it's a difficult game to profit in. I don't think you could find a tougher 5NL and 10NL pool anywhere.

Worldzmine - from what I've seen - definitely plays on other networks, too and definitely profits at times. He's probably playing 10NL on BetOnline or Ignition. What he's in no position to do, or am I in the grand scheme, is start telling players on the OP's level how to get out of a slump. That's ridiculous.

To be honest, looks like SB played his hands worse.

As far as advice, we're on an online forum, you're gonna get a lot of crap advice mixed with sprinkles of good stuff.

bottom line is neither him nor mirage should attempt to give advice on how to play hands to players who are on a downswing but were previously playing somewhere between NL200 and NL2k

edit: actually this is wrong, they can give advices, people should just ignore them

Lies! Everyone on 2p2 is killing it!

hm interesting point, maybe it would be worthwhile for me to compare red line to other american regs

ha yeah hard to know everyone's credentials.
But yeah I don't think my issues are due to a lack of poker knowledge/comprehension, I think it's more ego/not great work ethic/playing underrolled/all the pyschological factors

agreed.
Probably gonna sound arrogant but not sure if I need coaching per se, I think getting a batch of hands reviewed would be really helpful. I'm not building strat knowledge from the ground up, it's more an issue of needing to study and play better.


BTW 5nl hands are kind of standard really, 2p2 is clearly a mecca of strat in 2018 lol

lol if you think your tiny sample size is anywhere close to my normal stats

https://emersoncentral.com/texts/ess...self-reliance/

Go with your gut. Stop overthinking hands. Feel what your opponents have and make a play based on that. Good luck.

Never go against your first instinct. You'll be right more often than not so changing your mind will only be a mistake.

I had KJ in that hand and that guy was god-running over a sample of maybe a few dozen hands.

The first hand I decided not to continue bluffing because he was godrunning and a station.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

pomaleo (CO): 149 BB (VPIP: 20.98, PFR: 15.65, 3Bet Preflop: 6.74, Hands: 722)
northw00d (BTN): 79.6 BB (VPIP: 23.76, PFR: 15.31, 3Bet Preflop: 4.71, Hands: 1,492)
ChildishGamblino (SB): 72 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 42)
WorldzMine2200 (BB): 110.8 BB
Nostalgia31 (UTG): 110.8 BB (VPIP: 23.14, PFR: 16.16, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 236)
McCabe (MP): 101 BB (VPIP: 22.93, PFR: 13.17, 3Bet Preflop: 3.02, Hands: 2,961)

ChildishGamblino posts SB 0.4 BB, WorldzMine2200 posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) WorldzMine2200 has K J

fold, fold, fold, fold, ChildishGamblino raises to 4 BB, WorldzMine2200 calls 3 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 2 players) K 6 5
ChildishGamblino checks, WorldzMine2200 bets 5 BB, ChildishGamblino calls 5 BB

Turn: (18 BB, 2 players) A
ChildishGamblino checks, WorldzMine2200 checks

River: (18 BB, 2 players) J
ChildishGamblino bets 4 BB, WorldzMine2200 calls 4 BB

I've also been running really bad. https://gyazo.com/dbb1affc9c2a9fe137a2f43d7f46cae8

I never did that. I asked a guy that was trolling the thread to knock his bs off.

Have you ever thought about how well you ran in the beginning to go from 100nl ->500nl in such a short amount of time? You know some guys grind years before moving up a single stake let alone jump as rapidly as you did. Have you gone through your 330k hand database and come up where/ why you won? Can you say without a doubt you weren't running hot in various ways over that stretch?

That's said, if you know for a fact that you're not spewing/ you're actually really good/ your recent results are due to variance, then just keep playing and put the hours in. I'm not a crusher by any means (so there's more variance for me), but I've run 100+ buy ins below EV at NLHE before. And I know of a couple other guys who are much better than me who've run equally bad. Think about how crazy that is.

You have many more options if you continue to play PLO, but the swings can get way worse than what you've experienced playing NLHE. You're better off grinding PLO8 on the side which can be incredibly soft and with much less variance than PLO...

+1 on that. SB don't realize hes a bad player cause he won a few pots. Again result oriented nonsense and they don't realize they are not good poker players and need coaching. If you tell them that they just get mad.World player played his hands fine.