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at my wits end on long downswing at my wits end on long downswing

12-10-2018 , 02:19 AM
iPoker - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $36.35 (VPIP: 58.14, PFR: 13.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
BTN: $258.33 (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 15.84, 3Bet Preflop: 6.82, Hands: 9,948)
Hero (SB): $206.19
BB: $205.84 (VPIP: 22.03, PFR: 19.49, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 123)
UTG: $217.87 (VPIP: 25.15, PFR: 17.37, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 508)

Hero posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $3.00) Hero has K T

fold, fold, BTN raises to $5.00, Hero raises to $19.00, fold, BTN calls $14.00

Flop: ($40.00, 2 players) T 4 8
Hero bets $12.00, BTN calls $12.00

Turn: ($64.00, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $34.25, Hero calls $34.25

River: ($132.50, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets $193.08, fold


this one was really tough, we're supposed to call, but I think ppl def underbluff this river, and also holding Kx isn't great blocking KQ/KJ.



iPoker - $2 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $208.72 (VPIP: 22.19, PFR: 19.53, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 349)
UTG: $431.81 (VPIP: 21.68, PFR: 13.99, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 146)
CO: $291.09 (VPIP: 31.16, PFR: 22.80, 3Bet Preflop: 8.94, Hands: 171,120)
BTN: $197.00 (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 6.34, 3Bet Preflop: 1.59, Hands: 142)
SB: $200.00 (VPIP: 27.05, PFR: 8.95, 3Bet Preflop: 6.07, Hands: 535)

SB posts SB $1.00, BB posts BB $2.00

UTG raises to $6.00, CO raises to $20.00, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $14.00

Flop: ($43.00, 2 players) 9 J 3
UTG checks, CO bets $22.06, UTG raises to $66.00, CO calls $43.94

Turn: ($175.00, 2 players) 5
UTG bets $345.81, CO calls $205.09

River: ($585.18, 2 players) 7

CO shows Q Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 81%, Flop 36%, Turn 23%)
UTG shows 3 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes)
(Pre 19%, Flop 64%, Turn 77%)
UTG wins $722.40


prob shoulda got away from this ott.
Pio is actually folding QQ here, cuz it blocks all the bluffs. I thought it was too high in range to fold.
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12-11-2018 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
Pio is actually folding QQ here, cuz it blocks all the bluffs. I thought it was too high in range to fold.
Folding with a spade? That doesn't seem right
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12-11-2018 , 08:10 AM
gotta play tight versus tight ranges
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12-11-2018 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Folding with a spade? That doesn't seem right
surprised me as well...I was positive it was a GTO defend and also thought it was a good explofold...turns out it was a fold on all accounts...yeah I guess tight ranges, positions, 55% flop cbet...turn OB shove
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12-13-2018 , 03:53 AM
How do you feel these 1/3 - 1/4 flop bets are working out for you?

I know that a lot of good players have adopted this strategy. It just seems so hard to get max value when you have good hands.
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12-13-2018 , 04:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andees10
Folding with a spade? That doesn't seem right
yeah this is actually pretty common folding QQ with blocker, happens fairly often in river spots in 3b pots cos the Qx blocks AsQx
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12-13-2018 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by boaty
yeah this is actually pretty common folding QQ with blocker, happens fairly often in river spots in 3b pots cos the Qx blocks AsQx


Yeah makes sense on rivers but turn vs slight overbet shove? Just ran this using ~population ranges I’m seeing QsQ as always calling
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12-16-2018 , 04:17 AM
hey I just found out that this thread existed and I just wanted to say I'm rooting for you - I always thought it was commendable how you cheer the whales on and engage in some table talk with them, I think that extra effort is really cool. (I'm pretty sure its you who does that, otherwise its someone else with your avatar, either way, hope things turn around for you.)
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12-16-2018 , 04:51 AM
oh thanks man! idk if that was me, dont think I cheer on whales necessarily, but I do try to respond at the tables and be friendly I guess . especially if ppl ask if you're a bot, I always try to say "no" lol, least you can do in 2018.
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12-16-2018 , 04:58 AM
400nl tables tonight started off like aids as usual

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28a4902

I must be down like 5k to this idiot reg in like 100 hands HU with him


https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28a49e4

then had this hand where I tanked a long time on river, just seems really close there. hard to force yourself to think objectively when already stuck a bit. didn't have too much of a read on the pot sized donk in 3bp, though wasn't the first time he'd done it.


https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28a4bb4

session results largely buffeted by more 200nl badregs handing me money, +1k overall in the end
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12-17-2018 , 06:52 AM
When facing the pot sized donk bet in that spot I think I just jam the flop. When this line happens I usually expect TPTK or strong draw more often than a set.

The advantage of jamming is you always get to realize your equity and never get bluffed off the hand. You also may see some bizarre call offs which are great for exploitation on future hands. If your opponent ever does this with the nut-flush draw that will suck for him when facing a jam.

When you only call and the flush fills in it is good for you, but at the same time kind of sucks, because sometimes players give up with the AJ and similar hands, but continue with the nut flush. Likewise, when you miss, your equity sucks a lot more and you could potentially get bluffed off your amazing hand.
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12-17-2018 , 11:45 PM
dropped another 4 buyins or something at 400nl today, standard standard.
its so silly too like I'm not even "shotting" it, I'm just adding tables there, bc 200nl has a much wider pool of regs and it's a lot harder to snag seats.
So I login, load up as much 200nl as I can, then add 400.

frustrating when you can't catch that one card you need against the whale:

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28ab614

on river, he never has 6x, but if I jam, I think the price is too good for a whale to fold 5x, so I just give up. And he can have QXss as well or other stuff.

a few hands later, he soulreads me and blows me off my equity...

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28ab5cf

was about ready to throw my mouse after that one.
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12-18-2018 , 12:36 AM
check back turn with J7ss vast majority of the time there imo, also would just peel flop, may raise occasionally if I have previously seen him donkbet/fold
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12-18-2018 , 01:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
dropped another 4 buyins or something at 400nl today, standard standard.
its so silly too like I'm not even "shotting" it, I'm just adding tables there, bc 200nl has a much wider pool of regs and it's a lot harder to snag seats.
So I login, load up as much 200nl as I can, then add 400.

frustrating when you can't catch that one card you need against the whale:

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28ab614

on river, he never has 6x, but if I jam, I think the price is too good for a whale to fold 5x, so I just give up. And he can have QXss as well or other stuff.

a few hands later, he soulreads me and blows me off my equity...

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28ab5cf

was about ready to throw my mouse after that one.
I thought I play loose and I would've snap mucked both pre
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12-18-2018 , 02:11 AM
yeah I mean this guy stacked off 100bbs pre with 42s (calling off a 4b shove), does that change things?

The J7s open is pretty loose, Q8s flatting IP seems kinda std from what I'd seen of this guy.

And yeah I mean idk how to play these ppl postflop, but I had a superdraw, so I thought flop and turn was just a valuebet against his ranges.
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12-18-2018 , 02:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
yeah I mean this guy stacked off 100bbs pre with 42s (calling off a 4b shove), does that change things?

The J7s open is pretty loose, Q8s flatting IP seems kinda std from what I'd seen of this guy.

And yeah I mean idk how to play these ppl postflop, but I had a superdraw, so I thought flop and turn was just a valuebet against his ranges.
yeah I mean if you think button and the blinds don't squeeze much it's probably fine. tbh I'm folding and calling q9s so not much difference.

j7s I'm with xeno on postflop
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12-18-2018 , 10:54 AM
word

hand reviews welcome on these btw:

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28aae3a

^this is CO-BB, BTN is missing from the replayer for some reason.
I know holding Ad isn't great on river, but we don't have many natural bluffs here from CO, so does this look fine?

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28ab4b3

think we should be vbetting riv, sizing/overall strat?


https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28ab040

calling riv here?
not sure how wide V flats a 4b here with these positions at FR.
I expect him to be very stab happy on flops/turns (hence my going for XRAI otf).
I think he stabs flop small with QJhh, for example.
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12-18-2018 , 11:13 AM
I'd fold a7o pre. A9s/a9o with no diamonds and Q7s/Q6s with no diamonds would be my main bluffs and then on this turn i'd pry turn/river all my low pp into bluffs.

Flop sizing is pry small preferred fwiw and you can defo have overbets on turn/river.

also don't necessarily mind tripling ATC as I think this will generally be overfolded, but Ad does indeed suck quite a lot.
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12-18-2018 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

https://play.globalpoker.com/gp/10/h...4b0566f28ab040

calling riv here?
not sure how wide V flats a 4b here with these positions at FR.
I expect him to be very stab happy on flops/turns (hence my going for XRAI otf).
I think he stabs flop small with QJhh, for example.

Don’t mistake me for an expert hand reviewer. I’m just asking really. Why not fire out on the flop there for value(AA hand)?

That board looks like it could get scary pretty with a lot of different turn cards. You have a decent sized pot there. There’s str8 and flush draws there all day.

How I’d play it is (and please let me know if I’m wrong here) 3/4-pot sized bet to take away pot odds on drawing hands. If I’m betting in to a set there then it’s bad luck I can live with.

If I’m not up against a set Villian has to fold or pretty much commit their stack while being behind (hopefully).



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12-18-2018 , 12:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
I'd fold a7o pre. A9s/a9o with no diamonds and Q7s/Q6s with no diamonds would be my main bluffs and then on this turn i'd pry turn/river all my low pp into bluffs.

Flop sizing is pry small preferred fwiw and you can defo have overbets on turn/river.

also don't necessarily mind tripling ATC as I think this will generally be overfolded, but Ad does indeed suck quite a lot.
you know he's on the button with a7? you fold an ace otb?

h1 I give up river, sometimes turn

h2 def value betting river somewhere around 1/2 pot with some Kx, def Ax

h3 wp, very standard imo
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12-18-2018 , 12:46 PM
Oh i thought he was on the co, i guess there was an open seat in the replayer my bad
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12-18-2018 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Oh i thought he was on the co, i guess there was an open seat in the replayer my bad
thank god, after you told me to fold a4 to a min raise from the button I was worried
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12-18-2018 , 09:44 PM
you thought it was CO bc I said it was CO in the HH, but now I'm not even sure. w/e.
thanks for the reviews.

In h2 I dont think we get to vbet riv with Kx, but some kind of 1/3-1/2 with Ax seems reasonable. idk I have to look in Pio
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12-18-2018 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
you thought it was CO bc I said it was CO in the HH, but now I'm not even sure. w/e.
thanks for the reviews.

In h2 I dont think we get to vbet riv with Kx, but some kind of 1/3-1/2 with Ax seems reasonable. idk I have to look in Pio
oh I see that now, idk. I fold pre in co, open button

not really sure what pio says (tbh I don't think it matters) but I know people are calling enough worse Kx and random garbage that I'm always value betting KQ as well as other Kx with a club
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12-19-2018 , 03:51 AM
In hand number 2 I like 1/3 sizing on river. People can exploit you by check/raising, but it doesn't seem to happen very often. Especially since you overbet the turn people might be afraid of a monster trap.

In hand 3, never ever folding river especially with blockers to AJs. What do all of you think about donk betting all-in on river? I think you'd probably get folds a non-trivial amount of the time. Perhaps not so balanced, but it seems fine to me as long as you don't always do it in similar spots. I'd also check/jam turn, because I don't want QQ, JJ, 99 and other hands to check back the river unimproved.

It is pretty hard for us to have a jack on that river, but I think people just believe it and muck anyway.
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