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01-29-2015 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
That's an excellent point! And january is longer and started with a weekend.

I should blance the days in the two months as to even out variance

Hooray for excellent points!

Sound reasoning imo.
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01-29-2015 , 07:10 PM
Obv answer is to count it as January if you win. New month if you don't.
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01-29-2015 , 07:20 PM
or if u r losing just do a bunch of meth and play until it becomes February and that way when you book the loss it actually will have happened in February.

BTW squid loves using the pluperfect tense whenever possible. Ya thats right I just dropped some latin knowledge on all yalls asses
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01-29-2015 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
That doesn't answer my question smartypants
I don't see how it doesn't answer your question.
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01-29-2015 , 08:52 PM
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Obv answer is to count it as January if you win. New month if you don't.
Yeah, and if you win, but then start losing at the beginning of February you can always move this weekend to February later
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01-29-2015 , 10:03 PM
Or you could just not keep track of stats at all and just say you win.
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01-29-2015 , 11:14 PM
U guys are all noobs

Obvious solution is to just not losr
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01-30-2015 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
or if u r losing just do a bunch of meth and play until it becomes February and that way when you book the loss it actually will have happened in February.
excellent idea in theory but i dont handle drugs well at all - dont drink while playing and have recently quit redbulls. Meth would probably even let me roll my session over into march too lol
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Originally Posted by zoltan
I don't see how it doesn't answer your question.
Trolololol's gunna trolololol
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01-30-2015 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Snowball2
excellent idea in theory but i dont handle drugs well at all - dont drink while playing and have recently quit redbulls. Meth would probably even let me roll my session over into march too lol

Trolololol's gunna trolololol
Probably wouldn't lose using the meth lol.. biggest one of your life lol.
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01-30-2015 , 11:27 AM
I just read RobFarha's post in his pgc where he talks about winrates and equity, and how when you win a pot for, say, $500 as a 90/10 favorite, you actually are running $50 above ev (being a 90% favorite only entitles you to $450 of the pot). So for people who have repeatedly fell on the positive side of those pots, their win rate is actually inflated.

Many people probably know the above already, but that got me thinking one step further relating to a conversation I had with my other coach.

Your equity matters the most when you are all in before the river. That's the reason why people run it multiple times - to realize their respective equity of their hands when all in (so if they got it in as 65/35, running it 3 times should in theory allow the 65 guy win twice and the 35 guy win once, whereas running it once maybe deny the 35% player that share of their equity in the pot - yes they might be behind, but it doesnt mean their hand doesnt have any value/entitlement in the pot!).

HOWEVER, when you are not all in, your equity is very different than your actual ev in the hand. This means - when you put two hands side by side, the better hand does not always win!

In a very crude example, let's say you have these two hands in a pot: AA and 32o on the board 678TJr. When you are all in and both hands are shown, it's a no brainer who wins. But imagine if the hand had to be played out! 32o can bluff AA off the hand waaaaay more often than if it could win if the hands were all in pre. So your ev can be way higher than the equity of you hand.

Okay so this is all common sense ("duuuh") so far right?! So how does this translate into strategy? No, i am not advocating bluffing with 32o on 678TJ. I am pointing out how important fold equity is. When the other person fold their hand to you before showdown, they lose ALL of their equity in the hand.

In fact, could it even be undesirable to get your hand all in? (Unless they are pretty much drawing dead and you have like 100% equity) This is why i cringe when I see people overplay and getting it all in pre with a tiny pocket pair against a laggy player because "they are ahead of two overs" - noooope. Even if you happen to run into only two overs (and they still could have a lot bigger pairs), you really arent entitled to that much of the pot equity-wise!

Playing great post flop will be way more +ev. When you fold out other hands, you are denying them of their equity in the pot. And the best part is that they willingly gave up their equity because they don't know what you have. Another crude example (this doesn't mean that's how I play or i condone playing like this lol). Let's say you cbet 22 on AK5r against 78s. In most cases you will fold out 78s which is GREAT because 78s actually has pretty decent equity against your hand (two over cards and a bunch of backdoor draws).

Translating this all into strategy - you should be thinking about hands in terms of how to protect your equity and to deny other people's equity in the hand!

Of course there are a million variables in addition to this, but this is as much tl;dr as i should write in trying to isolate this topic
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01-30-2015 , 12:28 PM
Fan-freakin'-tastic post SB2! Now go win yerself some shoes
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01-30-2015 , 12:37 PM
Now carry your thought forward and realize your entire strategy should be setting up turn and river spots where you [realize your equity, deny their equity, inflate pots your high equity, control pots their high equity].... Most discussions center around preflop and flop play, but that is not where the big bucks are... and it is not where any bucks are at 5/T+.

At the end of every solution is position = $$$
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01-30-2015 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Fan-freakin'-tastic post SB2! Now go win yerself some shoes
Thanks!

If I get out of my downswing this month im definitely buying new shoez and will poast said shoe pr0n itt
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01-30-2015 , 01:41 PM
Nice post. Subbed.
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01-30-2015 , 02:01 PM
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Now carry your thought forward and realize your entire strategy should be setting up turn and river spots where you [realize your equity, deny their equity, inflate pots your high equity, control pots their high equity].... Most discussions center around preflop and flop play, but that is not where the big bucks are... and it is not where any bucks are at 5/T+.

At the end of every solution is position = $$$
Great points.
I think most people are better at inflating pots with their high equity, but not so good at pot controlling their opponent's high equity. This includes cbetting/barrelling/value betting bad boards.
But according to my coach i have the opposite problem - i dont bet often or enough in spots. I argue that it's my nitty image that makes great for bluffing but terrible to get paid by worse My Journey in Live Mid-High Stakes

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01-30-2015 , 03:37 PM
If I may...in honor of "January"

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01-30-2015 , 03:59 PM
I do see a bit of leslie in myself. good job daahr-lin
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01-30-2015 , 04:06 PM
Tomorrow night after session.

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01-30-2015 , 04:08 PM
Who is Leslie?
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01-30-2015 , 04:39 PM
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Tomorrow night after session.

Best gif by doughie so far
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Who is Leslie?
Go watch parks and rec. One of the goat comedy shows
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01-30-2015 , 04:39 PM
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Who is Leslie?
She's a rapper.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nuN1xFq1ic
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01-30-2015 , 07:46 PM
JANUARY!!!

YIIIPEEEEEEE i officially finished january by being up in the upper 4 digits over ~80 hours, breaking my streak of losing for the last 4 months. I'm literally one good session away from being out of the downswing.

Highlights from the month

- broke my losing streak betcheezz!! can i say this again??

- moved up, started playing T/25/50 and won! --- this is from 1/2 to T/25/50 in ~8 months/~600 hours with no staking (should I add this to my pgc title for teh bargs?!) And no trollie, i didnt "gamble" in bigger games to chase losses

- started getting coached from an online perspective and trying out interesting new lines (stay tuned)

- i gained like 6 pounds towards the end of last year (from eating out too much due to busy schedule/being tired all the time) and finally just lost it this month by cooking at home more and doing different things at the gym.


Few poker things I learned recently

- all in pots can literally make or break you. This month I lost one huge pot aiotf as a 90/10 favorite getting two outted. If i had won that pot then i wouldve had a solid 5-figure month and actually be up and out of my downswing. Oh well.

- coming out of a downswing, it's always easier to think that you were just playing bad before and you are playing much better now. I think im definitely playing better now but it doesnt mean i was playing bad before. I know most of it is just variance and it doesn't mean im magically a lot better now just because i suddenly started winning a lot. I still need to keep on making steady progress.

- downswing humbles a person so much. Over the course of last few months it taught me to treat every single pot no matter how small or trivial with importance. When people are on a heater they'll spew a bunch of big blinds and shrug it off. I'm just not going to do that because every pot was so freaking important to me during my downswing - it was exactly like having to keep on treading to keep your head above water. Im never ever going to take running good for granted.

- if you quit your job/school to play poker full time because you think it would be easier - you are ***** wrong and enjoy your heater while it lasts. Poker is one of the most soul crushing jobs out there because it goes against our fundamental concept of "you can control your own fate if you put your mind to it". Winning feels awesome, but losing (esp for 4 months) is depressing as hell.

Anyways. Time to embrace another month of variance
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01-30-2015 , 08:14 PM
But it's still January

. Nice update - glad to hear you are bouncing back
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01-30-2015 , 08:14 PM
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But it's still January

. Nice update - glad to hear you are bouncing back
Shhh no body likes a whistle blower
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01-30-2015 , 08:31 PM
Hey Snowball,
I am wanting to create a PG&C soon and was wondering what your opinion was on BR sizing. I recently just got a young professional job that can set money aside for an appropriate BR. My questions are 1)What do you think about trying to play only tournaments for sometime (~15 people usually and around $10 -$60 buy ins)? 2)Would I be better off playing cash 1/2 or 1/3 depending on the place instead of trying a PG&C with tournies? 3) If these are both doable options then what should my BR sizing be according to each of them?
4) What are your recommendations on study material? Do you think most books are outdated or still hold value, should I be reading a specific section in forums, etc?

Thanks
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