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01-05-2018 , 03:37 PM
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The thing you listed is similar but different. That's for ev calcs
May not have remembered the thread correctly.

https://www.piosolver.com/blogs/news...the-whole-game
01-05-2018 , 03:42 PM
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You use the older hem before the hand history update?

Mine doesnt log nsd villain hands
01-05-2018 , 03:47 PM
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You use the older hem before the hand history update?

Mine doesnt log nsd villain hands
Yes, there is a download link for it somewhere. This is particularly useful for studying population trends. This is due to the fact that, assuming 6 players at the table, then for every hand you play you effectively get 6 hand histories. Not only that, but the hole cards are known, so convergence to statistics on river play and in 4-bet pots occur drastically quicker.
01-05-2018 , 11:34 PM
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Building that red line

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    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    MP: $199 (99.5 bb)
    CO: $212.05 (106 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $202.06 (101 bb)
    SB: $358.28 (179.1 bb)
    BB: $190 (95 bb)
    UTG: $196 (98 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9 A
    2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, CO calls $6

    Flop: ($19) 3 7 T (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($19) 8 (2 players)
    CO bets $12, Hero calls $12

    River: ($43) 5 (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $43, CO raises to $86, Hero raises to $182.06 and is all-in, CO folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $215 pot ($4 rake)
    Final Board: 3 7 T 8 5
    MP mucked 8 6 and lostCO mucked 8 4 and lost (-$106 net)
    Hero showed 9 A and won $211 ($105 net)
    SB mucked 2 7 and lost (-$1 net)
    BB mucked J 4 and lost (-$2 net)
    UTG mucked 7 4 and lost
    I think it's kinda optimistic to expect a fish to lay down a flush with those pot odds. After he min-raises he has a flush like 95% of the time. Jx-Kx flushes never fold ever.

    There's some weaktight fish out there ofc, but it's very hard to tell which of the fish like to fold and which never fold stuff, both of them limp, also in an anonymous site it's even harder to do that.

    it's a massive -EV play if you're facing guys like these:

    Spoiler:
    PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: 112.68 BB
    SB: 206.8 BB
    BB: 109.52 BB
    Hero (UTG): 100 BB
    MP: 108.28 BB
    CO: 78.92 BB

    SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T T

    Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.6 BB, fold

    Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 9 4 9
    SB checks, Hero bets 3.6 BB, SB calls 3.6 BB

    Turn: (14.2 BB, 2 players) 8
    SB checks, Hero bets 7.32 BB, SB calls 7.32 BB

    River: (28.84 BB, 2 players) T
    SB checks, Hero bets 86.08 BB and is all-in, SB calls 86.08 BB

    Spoiler:
    Hero shows T T (Full House, Tens full of Nines)
    (Pre 68%, Flop 60%, Turn 9%)
    SB shows A 7 (Flush, Ace High)
    (Pre 32%, Flop 40%, Turn 91%)
    Hero wins 193 BB



    PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: 112.44 BB
    SB: 100 BB
    Hero (BB): 145.2 BB
    UTG: 137.84 BB
    MP: 100 BB
    CO: 66.56 BB

    SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has T 5

    fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero checks

    Flop: (2.4 BB, 2 players) A 2 9
    Hero bets 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

    Turn: (10.4 BB, 2 players) 2
    Hero bets 13 BB, CO calls 13 BB

    River: (36.4 BB, 2 players) 8
    Hero bets 127.2 BB and is all-in, CO calls 48.56 BB and is all-in

    Spoiler:
    Hero shows T 5 (Flush, Ace High)
    (Pre 41%, Flop 97%, Turn 91%)
    CO shows 8 A (Two Pair, Aces and Eights)
    (Pre 59%, Flop 3%, Turn 9%)
    Hero wins 127.52 BB

    01-06-2018 , 03:00 AM
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    Yeah, obviously bad play. But I won so that makes it OK.
    01-06-2018 , 03:22 PM
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    Quote:
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    Yeah, obviously bad play. But I won so that makes it OK.
    Agreed.
    I jammed 3x pot with ace high to rep quads and make villain fold a boat the other day. Huge spew. #ButItWorked
    01-06-2018 , 05:38 PM
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    I was tilted tbh, people kept x/minraising me that session. Literally the most annoying thing ever.
    01-07-2018 , 03:48 AM
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    Played a ton of poker today (10+ hrs) all 200z. Started out amazing. First 3-4 hours I was up over 7 bi and ran really well. Then proceeded to run about as good as I have been of late and lost almost all of it back. I can't run @ EV to save my life right now and runouts have been absolutely incredibly infuriating. Played dece, spewed 1 stack off, and several other minor mistakes, but played good. When I finally start running ok and @ or above expectation it's going to be great. Just need to keep trucking on...
    01-07-2018 , 11:19 AM
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    Have you tried slumming it at reg tables for a few sessions? I know its hard to leave zone but I feel like I'm just signing in to receive deposits when I play reg tables lol.
    01-07-2018 , 05:10 PM
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    Just want to focus on zone. Even if I dint win anythjng the hh is good for analysis later
    01-07-2018 , 05:16 PM
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    Quote:
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    Have you tried slumming it at reg tables for a few sessions? I know its hard to leave zone but I feel like I'm just signing in to receive deposits when I play reg tables lol.
    +1

    Action is so much better. Do you play poker to win money or study? Didn't mean that in a derogatory way at all, btw.
    01-07-2018 , 06:46 PM
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    Quote:
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    +1

    Action is so much better. Do you play poker to win money or study? Didn't mean that in a derogatory way at all, btw.
    Entertainment/$$$

    Really just want to win (more) @ 200z atm.

    My hold'em indicator has been crashing on the regular tables when I tried last, though. Any ideas?
    01-07-2018 , 07:01 PM
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    I gave up on hi, been playing hudless/note taking.

    It was just causing way too many problems and I mean 4 tabling compared to zone is like

    01-07-2018 , 07:08 PM
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    So you had issues with hi also?
    01-07-2018 , 07:17 PM
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    Also had a lot of issues with HI lately
    01-07-2018 , 07:18 PM
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    I got rid of HM because of insane lagg, started using PT and have not had a single bit of lagg since
    01-07-2018 , 07:23 PM
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    Quote:
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    I got rid of HM because of insane lagg, started using PT and have not had a single bit of lagg since
    Hold'em *indicator*

    Not hem2/pt4
    01-07-2018 , 07:33 PM
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    Yes hi was causing a ton of lag problems (well idk if it was actually hi's fault, prolly bovada's, but w/e).

    But yea I just dont use it anymore and honestly unless you are watching pornhub while playing people's leaks come out real quick, i just note take the basic frequencies like if someone is 3betting a clip or x/raising a lot.
    01-07-2018 , 09:02 PM
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    Played some reg tables for 1.5hr +2bi. Ran pretty well
    01-07-2018 , 09:08 PM
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    I'll take my 10% via paypal or crypto, whichever is easier for you.
    01-07-2018 , 09:15 PM
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    I imagine reg tables on bov would be the best way to go as well. If you're only playing 2z tables you may as well play reg because you're not going to get a million more hands and hour in and I wouldn't be surprised if your WR went up 75%.

    At the same time, phuck reg tables.
    01-07-2018 , 09:17 PM
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    My wr was consistently > 10bb/100 at all stakes 5nl - 200nl on reg tables.

    My current evbb/100 at 200z is like 3bb or something stupid, but I've ran terrible
    01-07-2018 , 09:18 PM
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    Re table counts:

    Its close. I think its like 500 hands/hr 2 tabling zone and ~250ish 4 tabling reg . So your wr needs to be 2x at reg. But it probably is. Lol
    01-07-2018 , 09:40 PM
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    Quote:
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    Re table counts:

    Its close. I think its like 500 hands/hr 2 tabling zone and ~250ish 4 tabling reg . So your wr needs to be 2x at reg. But it probably is. Lol
    Yeah
    01-07-2018 , 09:43 PM
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    Quote:
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    Re table counts:

    Its close. I think its like 500 hands/hr 2 tabling zone and ~250ish 4 tabling reg . So your wr needs to be 2x at reg. But it probably is. Lol
    I think 500/hr on 2z is pushing it. I don't really think people are getting 1k hands/hr 4 tabling zoom anymore and with how clunky the IG software is I imagine it could well be closer to 400/hr. Could be wrong tho obv.

    Even if you're getting half the volume you would be at Zone, there's something liberating about absolutely destroying spastics on reg tables, your ceiling WR would be higher, and it's not like you're going to be 24 tabling so you don't have to worry about table selection, joining new tables, getting grimmed, etc - i.e. it's an EZ grind for a reg table grind.
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