Solid brag bro. Merry christmas; happy holidays.

I took the job I'm currently at to live with the gf since she was going to grad school here. She's graduated now and it is time to move on/apply to jobs.

Ahhh so you’re not stating facts but rather making up numbers. Got it.

And I know you’re a Stars reg. If we’re talking about only Pokerstars I’d mostly agree. Only 1% of pros making $100k per year. I’d def get on board with that. These untracked sites in the states and abroad these days are pretty soft.

I don’t even consider myself in the top 5% of players world wide skill wise yet I’ve made $100k or close to it for the last several years as side income from poker.

Not saying it’s easy but OP is pretty solid and if he put his mind to it could def do it imo...

Also not sure I classify all “regs” as professionals.

Neither of you is stating facts obv. No one knows for a fact how many or what % of players are making 100k+ a year. It's very hard to do it though, especially year in year out, and it's only getting harder as time goes on.

Agree. I never made any claims ITT about poker players world wide. I can only speak from my own experience. Ben made the 1% claim stating it as if it was fact. Clearly it’s not and never has been. Obviously it’s tough, that’s not really up for debate...

According to HSDB, the 30th biggest winner in cashgames on Stars is only up $140k this year. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...hread-1697236/
That would seem to indicate that the proportion of regs that make $100k is vanishingly small, since the vast majority of traffic is at 100NL or below.

Didn't read all, but I agree with Bena and OP.
Having an EV of 100k on any site now is very hard. Having EV of 100k on any site in 3 years is just inevitably going to be even harder, which you also need to take into account.

100k is hard to most, but I really think that OP could smash 100k if he did good volume. his evBB/100 talent is - without question - more than good enough.

@arty
that only tracks >5knl, there's a lot of MSNL players who have made more than 100k this year, quite comfortably so, too

@brokenstars
if you have no intention of going pro then that's completely fair, the only reason I mentioned it was in case you were debating it in 2018

gooooood luck regardless

Depends what you mean by a lot. Imo there isn't though, would wager decent money at less than 200. And it's the ceiling that I think is the problem, more than the floor, for someone like OP.

The computers are definitely coming, and if you make 300k in 3 years before that, that's really not retirement money.

My 2018 goal is going to be like 500hrs of game play about 200k hands and some coaching/studying on the side.

Profit goal is going to just be 25k+

come gimme some rungood people

https://www.twitch.tv/brokenstars666

10/10 stream

nearly 10 hr stream

ran like poop entire time

about -3bi

One of the more odd things I see you do is check/call flush draws ott alot, even as the pf and flop aggressor. Is this something from pio?

(I realize texture/position/line are all important and "it depends" but its something I see you do alot and in different circumstances)

Noticeably its when turn doesnt change high card *I think* so example would be if you cbet AKss on J27sxx you x/c a 3s turn.

Yeah i think only the FD's with showdown value, because it is apparently higher EV *rolls eyes*

Also position matters a lot as well, it's mainly due to the fact that it revolves around both players playing a nash equilibrium strategy (key point here) again EV is the most important thing.

If you are OOP on a board and are facing a bet OTT with a 7-high FD you are almost never calling IP depending on the board texture more dynamic it is the more i think you will call (theory wise)

That AK hand at the start of your stream is interesting. I'm a fan of max exploit play but it seemed a bit ridiculous. You jammed 100bb into 30bb pot on a flush river. What worse hands are they calling you down with there? I know zone is full of spastics but still..

pry thought calling range wasnt going to change much

It's possible. Less value in my continuing range on a blank 3 turn. I have a strategy for randomizing but I don't think it makes much of a difference in EV until I really know what the overall pop is doing (and right now I don't -- haven't studied it intensively yet). Checking or betting flop or turn in that situation is fine in most scenarios

Yea Ive seen you x/c flop in a spot like that and that makes sense to me, just seemed like ott you take the x/c line at a high freq which didnt make sense to me immediately.

I mean i know nothing about poker but most of the unique things I see you do make sense to me when i sit and think about it, but the turn passivity with high equity doesnt make as much sense, esp when oop.

It blows when it checks down and we lose to A2, 7x, 88/99 etc. I realize thats a bottled view and in contrast we dont burn vs strong Jx, but still...

well you really should be checking at a high freq oop compared to ip in all spots basically.

There are more hands in his range then that.

a lot of people don't realize that OTT almost all 7x is a call assuming both players are doing optimal things.

Tbh just focus on taking the highest EV line/EV is the most important thing in poker when it comes to making decisions but there's a lot of things that effect EV of a hand combo/range so it's not that easy.

Yh.

Entire month has been infuriating. I'll be playing after work fri/sat/sun to try and capture a good month still. Monthly graph should come on jan 1st and I'll put out 2018 goals.

I have to agree with the people saying that less than 1% of full time pros actually have an EV of 100k+/year (relative to how many hours they actually put in), though I think its something more like 2%~ when you account for rb as well.

I've been playing online full time for 3 years now, I'll admit I'm a bottom feeder and have yet to even clear 25k/year. This is mainly due to me being one of the laziest 'pros' out there+ I've had bad judgement in the past and have gone broke more than once but during this time I've met quite a few other pros as well. And though we don't necessarily go around telling each other how much we've made I feel fairly confident in my estimate to say that the avg online poker pro is making 35k~/year, and even that may be a bit optimistic.

I don't want to project but I feel the large majority of pros tend to be lazy when it comes to putting in enough hours. If you compare poker to a 'real job' the avg full-time worker probably dedicates 50 hours/week to their job (including the commute). Whereas the average poker pro probably devotes no more than 35 hours a week, and in my case more like 25>. I know everything I'm saying seems arbitrary but these 'guesstimations' are mainly based off my experiences chatting with other pros and whatnot.

If all pros started playing more all at once obviously edges would drop but theres definitely enough room to significantly increase your annual EV just by pushing yourself to put in more hours, though obviously this sounds much simpler in theory than practice.

come to think about it maybe 1-2% is a little too conservative, in order to clear 6 figures you need an ev of $50/hour and put in 40 hours a week on average for a whole year, if your hourly is less then you need to work more/vice versa. So I mean maybe like 5% are actually doing this but to those who don't play full time 40 hours a week is way harder than it sounds and few players have a consistent $50/hour ev also I forgot to mention that studying should also be included in your work hours