What meaning does having a $17k month as opposed to a $10k, $15k, or $25k month have? Results are arbitrary - only thing he can control is the volume played.

I mean I see the point you are making, I just don't fully agree with it. To each his own though, I think though setting a goal monetary or volume wise are both good goals to have. Also to say you can't control how much you win/lose is not remotely true at all.

I'll still have 200+ hrs this month 3-4x my most volume highest profit plus a lot of studying and cosching...

Seems like you might have inspired a few people. There's a few more 200z grinders popping up on twitch.

How would one control how much they win? I would like to learn this dark magic.

If you don't play, you don't win or lose, control!!

In a warped way I know what he is saying. You have a theoretical winrate/hourly that obviously fluctuates from session to session but realistically the more you play the more money you should expect to win in the long run (so long as +ev at the tables). When he says, go for $17k, it ends up just being an incalculable volume goal that isn't always achievable.

There's literally no point setting short term monetary goals. Especially not half way through a month for the next two weeks. Sure it's fine to set annual monetary goals - fine if you're a cash player that is, less so as an MTT player.

But you certainly cannot control how much you win lose for the remainder of the month.

This. Also considering he is strictly a cash game grinder and not a MTT one I don't think setting monthly/annual monetary goals is a bad thing. Anyways I am done talking on this subject in BrokenStars PG&C no reason to go back and fourth I get your point and where you are coming from, if you do not understand mine that is also cool.

Good luck though to BS for the rest of this month & moving foward. He has been killing it thus far on the tables and hope he will continue to see positive results.

Hours/month goal should be the only goal set. If you set monetary goals, you set yourself up for failure. Brokenstars isn't going to know his hourly this month. He's mixing in 500nl and 1knl tables - stakes he doesn't have a long history in. If you set monetary goals and have a big downswing the first week of the month, you're going to feel like ****. You're going to press harder in spots you shouldn't. It kind of gets to you.

(Playing devil's advocate, if you know your hourly 100% then setting an hourly goal is like setting a monetary goal)

The only reason I mentioned the the $17k goal was because he was only a few $k off as it stands currently. He had mentioned in streams that his before his previous best month ever was ~$8k and he was currently at the time of that post already at +$15k+ for the month, So considering he still had ~10 days or so left I thought it was fairly reasonable goal to set to win only few more BIs at this rate. Wasn't like saying he needs to stay winning another $7.5k over next 10 days.
Once again I understand all of what you guys are saying, also think that maybe some of you can grasp what I was getting at? Maybe not. Either way to much space has been taken up in thread now Monetary goal setting.

wait wait wait, i want to post my opinion too.

i think setting realistic goals in both hours and $ is perfectly fine, but you shouldn't care if you fall short (read: don't be attached to the goals in the slightest). instead, play when you want to and when you're feeling good. but obviously be honest with yourself and get in enough volume to achieve what you set out to achieve.

who agrees?

Should of known you would add your 2 cents in. lol but yes I do agree with you are saying, as that was what I was saying from the start, basically.

oh. i didn't read any of the posts tbh.

Fwiw my monetary $ goal plating 100k hands of 200nl this month was ~$0 to $20,000. Why? Because this was my expectation given my std dev and wr.

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new graph with my epic ds the other day, my wwsf was 44% over > 5k hands... usually closer to 50 lol.

Ouch. Hang in there man.

You shouldn't care if you fall short wrt the profit goals.* IMO falling short re volume goals isn't acceptable - unless some great unexpected event happens that physically displaces you making you unable to grind.

And when I say that, I'm not referring to Mason's 100k hand volume goal. I wouldn't say that is a healthy/sustainable goal but more of a challenge of sorts - it doesn't really matter whether he achieves that or not because regardless of where he lands, he aimed so high he's bound to have achieved a very solid monthly volume in any case.

But if you're playing full time, for instance, and set a weekly goal of 40 hours volume - or maybe you set 160 hours monthly, then it really does matter whether you achieve it or not. Because if you're regularly slacking with regard to fairly pedestrian volume goals, it shows you're probably not where you need to be discipline/mental game wise to be playing full time.

Obv if you're a rec who takes the game somewhat srs, it's prob not the end of the world if you miss volume targets but for someone like Mason, and for anyone playing full time, missing realistic volume targets is a recipe for disaster imo.

yeh woudl agree with that.

I'll end up > 160 hrs for the month for PLAYING regardless

which doesnt include:

studying
work on my twitch
coaching

Overall, the month is going to be like 240ish hours cumulatively which is pretty solid

Ye that's very sick, wp.

Sick results. Gogogo! Gotta step up volume myself.

Youve brought the impostors out. SO many people streaming 200zone now...

Lol

Feels like 200z pool's 3bet % went up the past few days.

that because we have people on twitch teaching guys how to play poker