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02-23-2018 , 12:39 AM

#3176

icanadd

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 120

Smart Maths ITT

Keeping those eng job skills sharp I see

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02-23-2018 , 12:39 AM

#3177

andees10

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,281

What rake have you paid in terms of bb/100 at 200?

02-23-2018 , 12:44 AM

#3178

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

Quote:

Originally Posted by andees10

What rake have you paid in terms of bb/100 at 200?

I've paid almost exactly (40c off) $13k in ~90k hands @ 200z

This is a bit over -7bb/100 rake

For my 200reg sample its 7.8, but looser play and more short handed makes that number make sense.

02-23-2018 , 04:34 AM

#3179

Pots-For-Sale

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,861

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTyman9

I've played both and higher, don't see how that's relevant since it's just a simple math problem? Also not sure why you think getting 4x the number of hands per hour isn't relevant. All that matters is hands per hour and winrate. We know roughly what hands per hour there is at each game. The only other thing you need to decide is what winrates you think are plausible for both games. What long term winrates do you think are achievable for a player in both games? I agree with you that if you can find all pretty good 500nl games the hourly is prob higher, but you are claiming that it's not even close, which is likely inaccurate. 500nl in good games very likely better but it's definitely decently close hourly wise.

You’re right it comes down to winrates. Bottom line is I think winrates can be much much higher at reg tables than on zone over large samples. It does matter if you’ve played the games for this reason. I’m not going to go into detail of what I know about achievable winrates for Ignition in a public forum.

Oh and again, what I said ‘wasn’t even close’ was comparing playing 200z to playing 500nl. 2 tables of 200z vs 4 tabling 500nl isn’t a close comparison for hourly’s that hero could achieve.

02-23-2018 , 04:37 AM

#3180

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pots-For-Sale

I believe we were comparing it on a table to table comparison, not a 2 zone vs 4 reg, but 1 zone : 1 reg

02-23-2018 , 06:45 AM

#3181

BenaBadBeat

5 or a 9... 5 or a 9...

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,738

Just caught up on the thread. Congratulations on leaving work, enjoy the freedom! Also HUGE congrats on the engagement.

Will obv be reading intermittently!

Gl mate

02-23-2018 , 08:05 AM

#3182

andees10

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,281

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I've paid almost exactly (40c off) $13k in ~90k hands @ 200z

This is a bit over -7bb/100 rake

For my 200reg sample its 7.8, but looser play and more short handed makes that number make sense.

Ty. Decent improvement from the >10 I'm paying at 50, though I'm sure the jump in avg skill level is significant.

02-23-2018 , 12:19 PM

#3183

upswinging

banned

Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 839

Some pretty silly arguments.

1. 200z or 200r is not the max stakes you can play while in the US.

2. If you're good enough to beat 400+ then you should be playing 400+ and not grinding 200

3. You should not be limiting yourself to only ignition games

4. Hands per hour and WR is not the most important thing when grinding 200z

5. Improving your poker game to beat 400+ and get yourself out of the rake trap for a higher hourly is the most important thing

02-23-2018 , 12:23 PM

#3184

Bob148

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 11,972

. “Improving your poker game to beat 400+ and get yourself out of the rake trap for a higher hourly is the most important thing”

I agree.

Brokenstars have you identified the opponents that frequent 400?

02-23-2018 , 02:51 PM

#3185

mreps

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 618

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I've paid almost exactly (40c off) $13k in ~90k hands @ 200z

This is a bit over -7bb/100 rake

For my 200reg sample its 7.8, but looser play and more short handed makes that number make sense.

I have 7396 hands of 200z in my database and i've paid $977 in rake. I'm also only getting 348 hands an hour. I would do anything for 3 tables of 200z and a timebank.

02-23-2018 , 07:59 PM

#3186

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob148

Not sure I understand the question but 400nl doesn't run anymore on ign. They removed 400 and 600 and replaced with 500nl

02-23-2018 , 08:51 PM

#3187

Brokenstars

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

I'm going to start streaming 200z on ignition at 8pm CST at (approx 1 hour from this post)

https://www.twitch.tv/brokenstars666

02-23-2018 , 09:29 PM

#3188

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

might be like 8:10pm or something, don't worry though we will be on shortly!

02-23-2018 , 10:15 PM

#3189

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

stream up in a few mins

02-24-2018 , 12:58 AM

#3190

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

lost about $180 on the stream over 2 hrs. Ran atrocious so pretty good result imo.

02-24-2018 , 01:50 AM

#3191

mirage01

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,151

Quote:

Originally Posted by andees10

Ty. Decent improvement from the >10 I'm paying at 50, though I'm sure the jump in avg skill level is significant.

Im paying 7.66bb at 50z.

02-24-2018 , 05:25 PM

#3192

Bob148

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I meant to ask if you've scouted the next stake at all.

02-24-2018 , 05:35 PM

#3193

Brokenstars

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob148

I meant to ask if you've scouted the next stake at all.

I played a few thousand hands between 400nl - 1knl, but not really any since they changed the stakes

02-24-2018 , 05:51 PM

#3194

barney big nuts

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Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 1,991

Quote:

Originally Posted by mirage01

Im paying 7.66bb at 50z.

50Z LOL
I thought Australia was a 1st world country? You still living with mommy?

Last edited by barney big nuts; 02-24-2018 at 06:00 PM.

02-25-2018 , 01:27 AM

#3195

mirage01

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,151

Quote:

Originally Posted by barney big nuts

50Z LOL
I thought Australia was a 1st world country? You still living with mommy?

Maybe I should just lie and pretend I grind 200 zone like you do, mr no nuts. lolz.

02-25-2018 , 08:35 AM

#3196

andees10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mirage01

Im paying 7.66bb at 50z.

Weird. I'm using the rake attributed stat in pt4 and I know there's a few other rake stats so maybe I'm calculating it wrong.

02-25-2018 , 09:11 AM

#3197

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,102

Quote:

Originally Posted by andees10

Weird. I'm using the rake attributed stat in pt4 and I know there's a few other rake stats so maybe I'm calculating it wrong.

mirage is either a massive massive nit or did the calcs wrong.

50z should be >7.66bb/100 rake

02-25-2018 , 11:37 AM

#3198

.isolated

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 21,495

As you know, I am a massive nit. I'm paying 7.1bb/100 in rake @ $50nl.

02-25-2018 , 07:21 PM

#3199

mirage01

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,151

Yes I am a nit. What's wrong with that in a high rake pool though? Looks like im saving a lot in rake.

02-25-2018 , 11:41 PM

#3200

andees10

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Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 3,281

Quote:

Originally Posted by mirage01

Yes I am a nit. What's wrong with that in a high rake pool though? Looks like im saving a lot in rake.

It isn't necessarily a good thing if you're passing up on ev. Never play a hand and pay 0 rake....with a -25bb loss rate.

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