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How do you construct ranges (opening n calling) for a lag player ?( How loose is too loose)

Interesting that you playing only 4 tables. Why not more like the rest of people ?

01-02-2015 , 04:27 PM

#153

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocavi

How do you construct ranges (opening n calling) for a lag player ?( How loose is too loose)

Interesting that you playing only 4 tables. Why not more like the rest of people ?

I play probably a somewhat standard range that would end up being around 24/20/8 as a default. I increase my range based on reads after 20 hands or so. Iso limpers, open wider vs nits in blinds, open wider with fish in blinds, flat wider in btn/co with fish in blinds, etc.

Bovada software limits you to 4 tables at a time.

01-02-2015 , 04:39 PM

#154

TheStuntman

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,390

My issue is to whether or not to cbet/double/triple barrel.

01-02-2015 , 05:25 PM

#155

Brokenstars

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheStuntman

My issue is to whether or not to cbet/double/triple barrel.

Depends on positions, preflop actions and board texture

01-02-2015 , 11:31 PM

#156

Rufus the Jew

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 360

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenstars

was planning on bluffing turn and heart rivers, but got some outs.... river was amusing though

can only imagine what the guy said when he saw my hand haha

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32873122

BTN: $28.53 (114.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $60.27 (241.1 bb)
BB: $44.06 (176.2 bb)
UTG: $15.24 (61 bb)
MP: $13.50 (54 bb)
CO: $11.06 (44.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB raises to $2.74, Hero calls $1.99

Flop: ($5.48) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.99, Hero calls $0.99

Turn: ($7.46) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.99, Hero calls $3.99

River: ($15.44) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $36.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $36.34

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lol wp

01-03-2015 , 02:37 AM

#157

Brokenstars

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ty ty ty

01-03-2015 , 09:07 PM

#158

TheDefiniteArticle

Indecisive

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 14,123

54o seems misplayed on first three streets, happy to discuss it more over skype if you want

01-03-2015 , 09:59 PM

#159

Jajajaja

adept

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 850

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle

54o seems misplayed on first three streets, happy to discuss it more over skype if you want

lol shhh dont tap the tank

01-03-2015 , 10:18 PM

#160

de_man

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,513

There'd be blood everywhere if Brokenstars floated 54 outta position in a 3bet pot VS me & runner runnered my AA like that. I'd need to sit out for a while, lol

He seems to be a good enough player that its almost unfair that he gets rewarded for the occasional nonsense play.

01-04-2015 , 05:20 AM

#161

Brokenstars

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Guys focusing too much on your cards. The board is wet for my range and I can bluff a ton of turns as a x/r and he seems weak with a 99c flop bet. I'm not saying it's a perfect play or anything, but I did have a plan and it didn't involve runner-runner.

01-04-2015 , 07:28 AM

#162

Brokenstars

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4-tabled 100nl 3 hrs

Ran quite bad, no value from value hands, lost a couple flips, got rivered quite a lot, and ran into some nutted hands

Played decent though.

-$410

BR: $4,509

01-04-2015 , 10:02 AM

#163

TheDefiniteArticle

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 14,123

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I'd say you're focusing too little on your range. 54o close to the bottom of your range at every point there.

01-04-2015 , 11:42 AM

#164

Jajajaja

adept

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 850

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brokenstars

lol i hope you are trolling w this. So when some bets 1/5 pot or you think that villain made a "weak" bet you will just continue w 100% of your range? (even oop) Hahahahahahahahha

01-04-2015 , 11:45 AM

#165

Jajajaja

adept

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheStuntman

Nice! Teach mez? I need to implement some LAG tendencies to my game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocavi

How do you construct ranges (opening n calling) for a lag player ?( How loose is too loose)

Interesting that you playing only 4 tables. Why not more like the rest of people ?

He cant teach you guys how to run good, which from the 54o hand, is evidently all that he is doing.

01-04-2015 , 11:56 AM

#166

lvr

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,743

I think he means perceived range

01-04-2015 , 01:00 PM

#167

Jajajaja

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lvr

I think he means perceived range

It doesnt make what he said any less dumb. What he did is equivalent to 5betting 100% of his 3 betting range bc his "perceived range" is AK QQ+. That is not how poker works and he will learn quickly after he stops god moding.

01-04-2015 , 01:25 PM

#168

Brokenstars

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I agree the turn call was bad, but the flop call is fine imo.

01-04-2015 , 06:16 PM

#169

Number1Hater

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jajajaja

lol i hope you are trolling w this. So when some bets 1/5 pot or you think that villain made a "weak" bet you will just continue w 100% of your range? (even oop) Hahahahahahahahha

Lol

54 hand is beyond butchered

01-04-2015 , 08:18 PM

#170

Brokenstars

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You're all right I played it very bad, but the entertainment factor is basically the nuts.

01-04-2015 , 08:29 PM

#171

Brokenstars

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33816881

SB: $77.95 (78 bb)
BB: $84.50 (84.5 bb)
CO: $125.41 (125.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $171.70 (171.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J

CO raises to $4, Hero raises to $12, 2 folds, CO calls $8

Flop: ($25.50) 3

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $12.75, CO calls $12.75

Turn: ($51) 6

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $25.50, CO calls $25.50

River: ($102) J

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $121.45 and is all-in, CO folds

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33816891

MP: $119.45 (119.5 bb)
CO: $56.61 (56.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $227.65 (227.7 bb)
SB: $75.50 (75.5 bb)
BB: $34.30 (34.3 bb)
UTG: $103.25 (103.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K

UTG folds, MP raises to $3, CO folds, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, MP calls $7

Flop: ($21.50) 8

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $10.75, MP calls $10.75

Turn: ($43) 8

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($43) T

(2 players)
MP bets $29.50, Hero raises to $131.50, MP folds

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Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33816901

BB: $100 (100 bb)
MP: $130 (130 bb)
CO: $173.15 (173.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $118.95 (119 bb)
SB: $134.95 (135 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

MP folds, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $8.50, BB calls $8, CO calls $6

Flop: ($36) T

(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $90, 2 folds, Hero raises to $109.95 and is all-in, SB calls $19.95

Turn: ($255.90) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($255.90) 2

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33816911

MP: $157.40 (78.7 bb)
CO: $82.60 (41.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $213.90 (107 bb)
SB: $197.60 (98.8 bb)
BB: $597.35 (298.7 bb)
UTG: $396.55 (198.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J

UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, MP calls $6

Flop: ($19) 6

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $9.50, MP raises to $25, Hero calls $15.50

Turn: ($69) 8

(2 players)
MP bets $124.40 and is all-in, Hero calls $124.40

River: ($317.80) 8

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33816921

CO: $197 (98.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $347.70 (173.9 bb)
SB: $256.75 (128.4 bb)
BB: $230.80 (115.4 bb)
MP: $215.35 (107.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6

2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4.50, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $4.50

Turn: ($27) 8

(2 players)
BB bets $16, Hero raises to $48, BB calls $32

River: ($123) A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $80, BB folds

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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33816931

BB: $200 (100 bb)
MP: $215.60 (107.8 bb)
CO: $223.15 (111.6 bb)
Hero (BTN): $287.16 (143.6 bb)
SB: $131.85 (65.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

MP folds, CO raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, 2 folds, CO calls $14

Flop: ($43) K

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($43) 9

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $21.50, CO calls $21.50

River: ($86) 3

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $43, CO folds

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BB: $133.95 (134 bb)
CO: $98.50 (98.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $325.94 (325.9 bb)
SB: $99.98 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

CO folds, Hero raises to $3, SB folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($19.50) 9

(2 players)
BB bets $15.50, Hero raises to $31, BB calls $15.50

River: ($81.50) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $285.44 and is all-in, BB folds

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Hero (BTN): $102.50 (102.5 bb)
SB: $148.32 (148.3 bb)
BB: $28.90 (28.9 bb)
MP: $32.21 (32.2 bb)
CO: $56.35 (56.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6

2 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $8, BB folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($17) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50

Turn: ($34) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $17, Hero raises to $34, SB calls $17

River: ($102) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $52 and is all-in, SB calls $52

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CO: $62 (62 bb)
Hero (BTN): $193.75 (193.8 bb)
SB: $102.80 (102.8 bb)
BB: $123.40 (123.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

CO posts BB OOP, CO checks, Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $13, 2 folds, Hero raises to $30, SB raises to $47, Hero raises to $143, SB calls $55.80 and is all-in

Flop: ($207.60) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($207.60) 5

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($207.60) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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BB: $80.25 (80.3 bb)
UTG: $115.55 (115.6 bb)
MP: $108.70 (108.7 bb)
CO: $127.35 (127.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $218.93 (218.9 bb)
SB: $100 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 9

2 folds, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB calls $3, CO calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) 9

(3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8, CO calls $8

Turn: ($36.50) 6

(3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $24, BB raises to $68.25 and is all-in, CO folds, Hero calls $44.25

River: ($173) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33816981

SB: $48.80 (48.8 bb)
BB: $203.18 (203.2 bb)
MP: $186.90 (186.9 bb)
CO: $97.50 (97.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $102 (102 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

MP raises to $3, CO folds, Hero calls $3, SB calls $2.50, BB folds

Flop: ($10) A

(3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $5, Hero folds, SB calls $5

Turn: ($20) J

(2 players)
SB checks, MP bets $13, SB calls $13

River: ($46) K

(2 players)
SB checks, MP bets $46, SB folds

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Hero (BTN): $54.90 (109.8 bb)
SB: $78.70 (157.4 bb)
BB: $58.66 (117.3 bb)
UTG: $41.21 (82.4 bb)
MP: $42.95 (85.9 bb)
CO: $65.10 (130.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7

2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, BB raises to $10, 2 folds, SB calls $8

Flop: ($22.50) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, BB bets $12, SB raises to $68.70 and is all-in, BB folds

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SB: $12.86 (25.7 bb)
BB: $59.95 (119.9 bb)
MP: $35.50 (71 bb)
CO: $13.25 (26.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $86.74 (173.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A

MP folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, BB folds, CO raises to $5.36, Hero folds, SB calls $3.36

Flop: ($13.22) 7

(2 players)
SB checks, CO bets $7.89 and is all-in, SB calls $7.50 and is all-in

Turn: ($28.22) 4

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($28.22) 3

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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BB: $98.92 (197.8 bb)
UTG: $36.33 (72.7 bb)
MP: $55.20 (110.4 bb)
CO: $5.95 (11.9 bb)
Hero (BTN): $51.05 (102.1 bb)
SB: $91.26 (182.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

3 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

Turn: ($7.25) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

River: ($17.25) 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8.62, BB calls $8.62

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Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #33817021

UTG: $75.88 (75.9 bb)
MP: $220.70 (220.7 bb)
CO: $52.28 (52.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $147.08 (147.1 bb)
SB: $94.47 (94.5 bb)
BB: $118.72 (118.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6

2 folds, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $12, CO folds, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($25.50) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero raises to $14, BB folds

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BB: $99.07 (198.1 bb)
MP: $53.85 (107.7 bb)
CO: $18 (36 bb)
Hero (BTN): $97.50 (195 bb)
SB: $63.35 (126.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6

MP raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, Hero raises to $5.50, 3 folds, CO calls $4

Flop: ($13.25) 6

(2 players)
CO bets $12.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $12.50

Turn: ($38.25) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($38.25) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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01-04-2015 , 10:55 PM

#172

TheDefiniteArticle

Indecisive

Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 14,123

X flop with AT, as played fold to the raise.
Cb bigger 65cc
Fold flop, fold turn, x river with A6 without a sick read.
Fold to the 3b, fold turn with T6s
Don't iso 96o, fold to the 3b
Flat 86s pre

You don't have to win every pot, you know? Out of interest, what's your wwsf?

01-05-2015 , 01:25 AM

#173

Brokenstars

Verified Coach NLHE

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 16,093

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle

49.68% this last month

I have reads in a lot of these spots, just picking some big pots and then a few random hands. See if I can't get some more hate-mail ITT. Lol.

Last edited by Brokenstars; 01-05-2015 at 01:35 AM.