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Old 12-13-2016, 06:40 PM   #151
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Re: Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10

At what point do you think it is best to drop down and grind 2/5 where there are probably 7-8 fish and no good regs? max buy in is 600 for 2/5 and 2k for 5/10. I'm having trouble deciding what is best at my casino. Usually 5/10 has 1 whale, 1-2 fish and 5-6 pretty good regs.
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Old 12-13-2016, 08:49 PM   #152
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h1) call for this price
h2) fold turn
h3) what are you repping and expecting villain to fold?
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Old 12-15-2016, 04:45 PM   #153
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Good job completing the challenge. How many hours in 2017?
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Old 12-15-2016, 09:15 PM   #154
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GG !
And what is your results in money for this year ?
Ty, bout.......... tree fiddy

I ran good this year. Happy with results but lol 400 hours so no need to put emphasis on it. #inb4d00mswitch

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At what point do you think it is best to drop down and grind 2/5 where there are probably 7-8 fish and no good regs? max buy in is 600 for 2/5 and 2k for 5/10. I'm having trouble deciding what is best at my casino. Usually 5/10 has 1 whale, 1-2 fish and 5-6 pretty good regs.
Tough to say. Depends on how bad the fish/whales are, how good the regs are and how good you are. I'd say your judgement is better than anything I can tell you.

This year there have been times where I think I'm better off at a 2/5 game which will almost always be really good, but the immediate gain is offset by the potential for the game to turn at any point. Missing out on that opportunity made dropping down mid session not worth it for me. If I played in a tougher player pool where the game would rarely get good like the one you're describing, then I guess I'd have to re-evaluate my plan.

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Thanks. Probably around the same, between 360-400
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Old 12-17-2016, 09:49 PM   #155
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:44 PM   #156
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Old 12-21-2016, 02:54 PM   #157
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Last 3 hands of 2016:

1) 2 limps, I raise 50 HJ TT, btn calls (aggro degen fish, has bluffed off several stacks already, multi tabling blackjack, 5k), bb calls, 1 limper calls.

4 way
Flop(205) 885
Checks through

Turn(205) 4
bb leads 85, I call, btn raises 475, bb folds, I call.

River(1,240) 7
I check, btn bets 450


2) I open 30 HJ QJ, CO calls, Btn calls (same lag reg in previous post (hand 6) where he 3x pot turn and river after I checked back flop. 4k)

3way
Flop(105) QT2
I check, CO check, Btn bets 65, I call

Turn(235) A
I check, btn bets, 250, I call.

River(735) 7
I check, btn bets 890


3) utg open 35 (young reg, 3k), CO calls, I call btn AQ

3way
Flop(120) T42
utg cbets 65, I call

Turn(250) J
utg bets 140, I call

River(530) 6
utg checks, I bet 320
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h1) call for this price
1) Flop I think cbetting smallish with a bunch of hands is an option. We benefit from denying equity from overcards 4 way and still get value from middle pairs. I also thought checking was ok. With the aggro fish in position our incentive increases since I thought he was likely to blast away w/ way too many hands if checked to. We also get value on later streets on low runouts and limit our losses vs 8x.

River I wasn’t thrilled about the card or bet size. I agonized a little bit and eventually threw in the call because lolpotodds and I’ve seen him btn click “bluff” in a previous river spot w/ tpnk that made no sense.

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h2) fold turn
2) I don’t see how folding turn is an option. With the potential semi-bluffs even vs a conservative range we’re an outright favorite, not to mention pot odds, the fact he’s probably over-bluffing, and implied’s if we happen to hit our gutter.

On this river I thought our hand was a good one to call down. The value hands I’m most worried about are QTs/KJs/22/ TT. Our hand blocks QTs/KJs so we reduce those. I’m trying to think how he can have Ax here. Maybe he bets flop/turn with the nfd but I doubt he’s going for that slight overbet sizing otr, especially when my range can value own him with potentially better aces. Also doubtful AT or A2 would be included in his flop betting range.

I’d guess his most common bluffs may include (but are not limited to): 56/67/78cc(3), 89s(4), J9s(3), J8s(3), that flat pre. He tends to have his foot on the gas all of the time so it’s likely he’s bluffing with too many of these too often.

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h3) what are you repping and expecting villain to fold?
3) When I get to the river I pretty much will have all of my strong value hands TT/44/22/JJ/JTs/AJs. I think it makes sense to play my whole flop/turn continuing range as a call IP because the board is pretty dry and I’ll need hands to defend against 3 streets of aggression vs an utg range that includes QQ/KK/AA when I don’t. It also allows me to have a river raising range.

Turn felt borderline, I wasn’t really sure. Given the sizing and being in position I went for the call.

On the river when checked to I’m pretty low on bluffs. The main bluffs I can think of are only 3 combos of KQs bdfd. What other bluffs can I have? I won’t even have AQ all of the time because it’ll get 3bet pre. The hands I’m looking to potentially fold out are AK, AQ, pairs that may have merge bet the flop/turn. Does anyone have thoughts on river sizing?

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Old 01-10-2017, 09:08 PM   #158
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Re: Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10

For a 2017 volume goal I'm aiming between 360-400 hours again.

I've recently been battling it out w/ the nit-regs, bots and rake at 25NL 6max on ACR for fun/a tool for improvement. I just bought poker tracker and it pulled hands on my computer dating back to October. I'm enjoying looking through the database at different stats, graphs redline/blueline, going through filters, etc., even though I don't really know what I'm doing. I usually 6 table but struggle. I've accidentally timed out and folded the nuts in big pots multiple times already which may be the single most tilting thing I've experienced in poker.

I think playing online is beneficial to improving a live player's game for many reasons. By getting in so many reps certain spots become second nature and makes playing for large amounts of money live less stressful. In 6max you're in a lot less multiway pots than live so you're forced to fight for pots in marginal spots w/ wide ranges pretty often. For mental game, you train the brain to deal with the variance of poker better imo because you see the long run quicker. You see crazy beats, coolers, card deadness, etc. much more frequently in a short period of time so it becomes less dramatic when it happens live. You become more numb to individual hand results because you have 5 other tables to make decisions on. You can't sit there ruminating about how unbelievable the previous hand was. On the negativie side it may give you worse a.d.d. sitting in the casino grinding your 30 hands/hr.

I'm going to mix in some online hands with live ITT and keep with the same format I've been using, basically just posting hand histories then results/my thoughts later on.


1) 5/10/20- utg2 opens 75, I 3bet hj 275 AQ, co cold calls, utg2 calls

Co has 3.3k, I cover. No real reads. Young, seems soild, maybe a pro.
1st time playing with him.

3way
Flop(875) A74
utg2 checks, I check, co bets 350, utg2 folds, I call.

Turn(1,575) T
I check, co bets 950, I call

River(3,275) 4
I check, co shoves 1,700, I call.
What's the worst hand you'd check/call down 3 streets?


2) 5/10/20- utg opens 60 (5k), co raises 260 (4.5k), I call btn QQ (6k), Sb 4 bets 730 (4.7k), utg and co fold, I call.
Sb is same villain as previous hand

Flop(1,835) A82
Sb cbets 650, I call

Turn (3,135) 5
sb checks, I bet 1200

River(5,535) 2
sb checks, i shove 2200

What's the worst hand you'd value bet?

3) River decision. No reads except btn is on most of my tables.

CO: 115.36 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 113.52 BB
Hero (BB): 173.16 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5 J

fold, BTN raises to 2.48 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) A J K
Hero checks, BTN bets 3.4 BB, Hero calls 3.4 BB

Turn: (12.16 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.4 BB, Hero calls 8.4 BB

River: (28.96 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 28 BB


Hours- 9
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:41 AM   #159
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Hand 1) I think it depends if you are slow playing AA. you can bluff catch a little tighter if you have some AA in there. AQ is always a call for me, might have to throw in some worse aces as well. I think KK should be a river fold. It blocks his AK, but also blocks his best bluff cards.

Hand 2) worst hand i value bet is Kh. I can't imagine being ahead of 50% of his calling range with worse. I don't think His range is going to have that many random 1 heart hands. I honestly think AA and AxKh makes up greater than 50% of his range by the river.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:08 PM   #160
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Game's that good huh?

Hand 1 is kinda weird cuz the SPR is so low on the turn, I'm not sure if Im just calling anything down there, but it would suck to call and fold AQcc AJcc otr. I assume you won cuz of stack size in the second hand , but I might find a fold on the turn cuz I got enough AK's to jam.

2) river's realllly thin imo, like vs a good player I def don't bet this cuz they would own me a lot. But if you saw the showdown in the first hand then you probably had a reason to ship there.

3) Fold
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:40 PM   #161
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Game's that good huh?
Many young wizards trying hard to outplay each other. So yes, pretty good

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AQ is always a call for me, might have to throw in some worse aces as well. I think KK should be a river fold.
This is pretty much where I was at. I thought dump all underpairs by the river, a hand like A5s might be on the borderline.

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Hand 1 is kinda weird cuz the SPR is so low on the turn, I'm not sure if Im just calling anything down there, but it would suck to call and fold AQcc AJcc otr.
Yeah, weird spot in general. A normal pre flop range in his spot is mid-high pairs, big aces, mayyybe suited broadways/top scs? Calling down with my hand it's like I'm hoping he can have and be bluffing with the non-sdv part of that range, value betting worse (doubtful) or the same hand, turning pairs into bluff. Not to mention he's firing into a multi-way flop. I can see the argument for wanting to bail ott.

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I assume you won cuz of stack size in the second hand

But if you saw the showdown in the first hand then you probably had a reason to ship there.
Good job spoiling my thread. You're 2/2

result- I win vs 66


2) Yes, a good player will protect their checks ott /otr and not have enough worse calls so Q is probably too thin. After seeing the fishy 66 showdown i'm extrapolating he's probably got too many hands all over the place and also has potential to station river. He also tanked for a long time (like 2 minutes) before checking which I interpreted as weak.

result- he folds

3) Unfavorable board for the bb. I thought otr it's really hard for btn to have enough bluffs to balance that sizing. Counting out combos I got about 88 value (KJ+, straights, flush/nf,) and only 6-12 “natural” bluffs(Qc9x/Tc9x, etc). A lot of naked gutters need to be included like T8s in order to be balanced which imo will not be there in practice.

Looking at our range I have a decent amount of hands that rank higher than J5 like any Ac, which blocks 17 combos of value. We also have nutflushes and QT. I folded
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Old 01-13-2017, 10:54 PM   #162
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Many young wizards trying hard to outplay each other.
You dont say ehhh Moving up in 2016 - 400 hours at 5/10
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:07 PM   #163
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tiltttttttttttttttttttt

SB: 102.2 BB (VPIP: 21.70, PFR: 16.71, 3Bet Preflop: 4.73, Hands: 409)
Hero (BB): 155.24 BB
UTG: 114.36 BB (VPIP: 24.07, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 56)
MP: 40 BB (VPIP: 20.58, PFR: 17.25, 3Bet Preflop: 5.79, Hands: 3,134)
CO: 116.24 BB (VPIP: 25.84, PFR: 15.73, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 90)
BTN: 190 BB (VPIP: 27.40, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 74)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 T

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (4.8 BB, 2 players) 7 T 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.28 BB, Hero calls 2.28 BB

Turn: (9.36 BB, 2 players) A
Hero checks, BTN bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

River: (23.36 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets 20 BB, Hero raises to 68 BB, BTN raises to 178.52 BB and is all-in, fold
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Yea I tilt when I missclick too. It happens man no worries.
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Sad thing is it wasn't a misclick. Maybe in the running for worst hero fold of ALL TIME
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Sad thing is it wasn't a misclick. Maybe in the running for worst hero fold of ALL TIME


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how do you fold a full

do you even zeebo theorem?
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do you even zeebo theorem?


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So you playing 2nl? That's a whole chezburgr you just folded
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Sad thing is it wasn't a misclick. Maybe in the running for worst hero fold of ALL TIME
Heh im not sure who's leveling who now but it's pretty close imo. I don't think a fold is bad.

If this was <100NL I wouldn't have folded tho, and honestly I'm just not worried about plugging any "calls too much with underfulls" leak in no limit holdem.
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Heh im not sure who's leveling who now but it's pretty close imo. I don't think a fold is bad.



If this was <100NL I wouldn't have folded tho, and honestly I'm just not worried about plugging any "calls too much with underfulls" leak in no limit holdem.


Yeah, I think if he can have 67 my fold is pretty bad. Thing is he shoved pretty quickly which I thought discounted a hand that would at least think a little bit about getting value owned. I'd also bet this is never a bluff often enough

It's 25NL but on acr people don't make complete punts that often especially this deep, so I'm assuming the spaz factor is much lower than on ignition.

Definitely should have called bc it pained me so much I ended up playing worse after.
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Graph of the first 30k hands at 25nl:

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Apparently missed my calling as a tourney pro with this talent for flipping.

Gonna move up to where the put some respek on my raises at 50NL. I'll play another 30k hands, evaluate results and move up again if they're good. Probably tougher competition but on the bright side lower relative rake
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Yeah, I think if he can have 67 my fold is pretty bad. Thing is he shoved pretty quickly which I thought discounted a hand that would at least think a little bit about getting value owned. I'd also bet this is never a bluff often enough

It's 25NL but on acr people don't make complete punts that often especially this deep, so I'm assuming the spaz factor is much lower than on ignition.

Definitely should have called bc it pained me so much I ended up playing worse after.
the guy is never shoving worse then your hand there. He s also never bluffing this spot. Not alot of people can make that fold, but I think its definately the right move (and not even close)
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